Anyone else annoyed at how DC treats its characters?

[The Leaguer]

I like him personally.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Shenanigans.

 

[Darthphere]

Lunacy!

 

[The Leaguer]

I love GAH almost as much as he loves Conner Kent.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's a whole lot of love.

 

[Darthphere]

I love Hal Jordan.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

There's a hell of a lot of love in this room.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, and none of it is on topic.

 

[The Leaguer]

I love Hal Jordan.

Shut the f*** up.

 

[Darthphere]

Shut the f*** up.

I love Hal Jordan like you love GAH and he loves COnner Kent.

 

[SpideyInATree]

One thing I like about marvel is that, when they want to make a character more popular, they dont replace him, they actually stick with whoever's in the mantle and they try to build them. Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Ghost Rider, and Spider-Woman are good examples. Imagine Marvel saying they were gonna be more intergal to the Mu, and THEN they replace them with some newbie.

I guess this is where we differ on things. The appeal of DC and the characters is that they do treat some of the heroes with "mantles" and it gets passed on every now and again. I actually really like that about a lot of DC characters. I actually wish Marvel would do that with some of their characters.

They tried it with Spider-Man, in a really insane type of way, and that didn't work out. Well, that's because most Spider-Man fans are in a deep rooted relationship with Peter Parker and not even an exact replica of Peter Parker can take his place, haha.

 

[Darthphere]

I guess this is where we differ on things. The appeal of DC and the characters is that they do treat some of the heroes with "mantles" and it gets passed on every now and again. I actually really like that about a lot of DC characters. I actually wish Marvel would do that with some of their characters.

They tried it with Spider-Man, in a really insane type of way, and that didn't work out. Well, that's because most Spider-Man fans are in a deep rooted relationship with Peter Parker and not even an exact replica of Peter Parker can take his place, haha.

Yeah, because the Supes and Batman fans will love to see Bruce and Clark step down and pass the mantle off.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, because the Supes and Batman fans will love to see Bruce and Clark step down and pass the mantle off.

I'm a long time Batman fan and I'd love to see Batman pass his mantle on to either Dick Grayson or, eventually, Tim Drake.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I like seeing the legacy aspect of DC's characters when it makes sense. Bruce passing the mantle onto Tim Drake would work because Tim is easily the best suited for it. Superman passing the mantle onto Conner in like 5 or 10 years would've probably worked because Conner was shaping up to be a really good character with a strong moral center and an enthusiasm for superheroism that would've filled the requisite inspiration factor for a Superman. Even in some of the cases where the mantle is passed onto a total stranger, it works because they fit into the larger picture of that mantle. For example, Jason's replaced Ronnie as Firestorm, but he's still plugged into the established Firestorm mythos through Professor Stein and Firehawk, and he's spent a good portion of his comic so far learning about the legacy and what it takes to live up to it.

It's the other new legacy characters that I'm not too keen on lately. Stuff like Bart inheriting the mantle of the Flash only to sulk at every turn, coupled with just the outright suckiness of the story Bilson and DeMeo are creating, is not cool. Cassandra Cain having more than half a decade of excellent stories and character development ripped out from under her simply because DiDio liked it better when she was a one-dimensional martial arts character is not cool. Ray Palmer being written out was fine by me because it made sense in the wake of Identity Crisis. Ray Palmer staying out of the picture for well over a year now--in comic time, no less--and being replaced by a guy who is identical to him in personality and occupation, seemingly just to squeeze an Asian character into the works, is not cool. It's those kinds of things that make DC's legacy angle a double-edged sword. And yes, I get that you sometimes have to take the bad with the good, but it just sucks that two of my favorite characters--the Flash and Cassandra--are casualties of the bad this time around, and the latter for a decidedly horrible reason, to boot.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm a long time Batman fan and I'd love to see Batman pass his mantle on to either Dick Grayson or, eventually, Tim Drake.

Yeah, but really, youre in the minority on that one.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, but really, youre in the minority on that one.

I'm in the minority on a lot of things around here, so I'm used to it.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm in the minority on a lot of things around here, so I'm used to it.

You like Sins Past dont you?

 

[SpideyInATree]

You like Sins Past dont you?

That's one thing I'm with the majority on.

 

[BrianWilly]

For every instance of DC treating its characters badly, there are just as many instances, if not more, of DC treating its characters with the utmost respect and appreciation. That goes for Marvel as well.

Connor Hawke or Kyle Rayner or Wally West are just a few examples of legacy characters ending up as triumphant success stories. Yes there are the unfortunate casualties and the flat-out "WTF WERE YOU THINKING???!!!!?" events, and we all have different opinions on just what is the fitting direction for these characters to go in, but I'd say the amount of good they're doing at least justifies the mistakes made along the way.

 

[The Leaguer]

I don't think anyone is saying DC doesn't get things right, but nothing justifies what happened to Batgirl.

 

[Caliber]

Whenever DC wants to make a character popular....they kill or get rid of whoever's holding the mantle at the moment. Ray Palmer, Orin, Ronnie Raymond, Cassandra Cain, Ted Kord, and Ray Terill are current examples of this tactic. What was so wrong with these characters that they needed replacing? Most of the stories told with the new guys in the mantle could probably be told with the predecessors, and hell, these new guys arent setting the world on fire anyway. One thing I like about marvel is that, when they want to make a character more popular, they dont replace him, they actually stick with whoever's in the mantle and they try to build them. Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Ghost Rider, and Spider-Woman are good examples. Imagine Marvel saying they were gonna be more intergal to the Mu, and THEN they replace them with some newbie.

It feels like DC has only three first class heroes: Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. With Marvel, you can actually feel an effort to make many of their characters top sellers. Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Daredevil, Captain America, etc. Have all had their profile raised in the past few years due to marvel giving those characters some good writers and hype. Only GL feels like hes grown more popular as a character.

DC only cares about there iconic characters and treats them like gods.

 

[Darthphere]

For every instance of DC treating its characters badly, there are just as many instances, if not more, of DC treating its characters with the utmost respect and appreciation. That goes for Marvel as well.

Connor Hawke or Kyle Rayner or Wally West are just a few examples of legacy characters ending up as triumphant success stories. Yes there are the unfortunate casualties and the flat-out "WTF WERE YOU THINKING???!!!!?" events, and we all have different opinions on just what is the fitting direction for these characters to go in, but I'd say the amount of good they're doing at least justifies the mistakes made along the way.

Really? I dont think anything justifies the ****ing over of Cassandra Cain. Oh but dont worry the "real" Batgirl is in Gotham people. If they treated everyone with the respect they do the so called Trinity, there wouldnt be much to complain about on DC's side of things.

 

[BrianWilly]

Y'all think I'm happy about Linda Danvers being retconned out of existence so that Kara ****e-El can suck the proverbial Silver Age fanboy dick? There's shtty things happening yes and I'd be the first to admit this, I'm just saying DC has respect for a lot of characters outside of the Trinity and any single one of us could name dozens of examples of this.

 

[Darthphere]

Y'all think I'm happy about Linda Danvers being retconned out of existence so that Kara ****e-El can suck the proverbial Silver Age fanboy dick? There's shtty things happening yes and I'd be the first to admit this, I'm just saying DC has respect for a lot of characters outside of the Trinity and any single one of us could name dozens of examples of this.

Martian Manhunter, Flash, Nightwing.

 

[Kitsune]

I love Starfire and Powergirl...