Anyone else see Mirrormask yet?

[Obi-Ron]

Episode 1 Yoda was a puppet. He looked terrible.

 

[FURYoftheSTORM]

Yes the episode 1 puppet was rather weak but, episode II and III yoda is no where near the quality of the Empire Strikes Back yoda.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I agree, I'm just saying that puppets aren't automatically better than CG.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I agree, I'm just saying that puppets aren't automatically better than CG.

Of course not.

But im still convinced that if Peter Jackson actually tried, who could have made a far better gollum non-cgi.

But people like Jackson and Lucas are now lost cause, imo (look at Kong for godsake, nearly everythings blue screen and CGI... sigh)

 

[primemover]

Of course not.

But im still convinced that if Peter Jackson actually tried, who could have made a far better gollum non-cgi.

But people like Jackson and Lucas are now lost cause, imo (look at Kong for godsake, nearly everythings blue screen and CGI... sigh)

And there's a better way of doing Kong's effects? Please don't bring up the previous two movies, while they might have been good for the time, neither would hold up to todays standards.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Saw most of "MirroMask" at Balticon but had to pull out just before the end because of work. Haven't been able to find it for rent.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Saw most of "MirroMask" at Balticon but had to pull out just before the end because of work. Haven't been able to find it for rent.

Totally worth looking for, IMO.

 

[FURYoftheSTORM]

Of course not.

But im still convinced that if Peter Jackson actually tried, who could have made a far better gollum non-cgi.

I disagree I feel it might have been possible to do a puppet gollum but at best he would have as good as the cg gollum I doubt he could have been better.

 

[xwolverine2]

looks like casshern.....but with a cohesive plot

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

And there's a better way of doing Kong's effects? Please don't bring up the previous two movies, while they might have been good for the time, neither would hold up to todays standards.

Ever seen a little movie by Master Director Steven Spielberg called Jurassic Park ? You know, a movie were there was a T-REX with a brilliant mix of both real giant t-rex robots and cgi ?

If you watch a Spielberg movie (jurassic park one, 2 or War of the worlds for exemple) you get nearly perfect special effects.

Jackson sure ain't able to do that. Full CGI everywhere. The lazy lucas way. Brrrr.

And it's not just about CGI or no CGI. It's how you use it to make people believe it is real.

 

[primemover]

Ever seen a little movie by Master Director Steven Spielberg called Jurassic Park ? You know, a movie were there was a T-REX with a brilliant mix of both real giant t-rex robots and cgi ?

If you watch a Spielberg movie (jurassic park one, 2 or War of the worlds for exemple) you get nearly perfect special effects.

Jackson sure ain't able to do that. Full CGI everywhere. The lazy lucas way. Brrrr.

And it's not just about CGI or no CGI. It's how you use it to make people believe it is real.

Sorry, but doing Kong as an animatronic would have looked like garbage, probably as garbage as that ride at Universal Studios.

Besides that you cannot compare creating a animatronic Dinosaur to creating an animotronic primate with facial fidelity close to that of a human, especially one that has a 10+ foot face.

First the T-Rex animatronic has a very limited range of facial expression, mouth open, mouth closed, snarling lips, brow and eye movement under skin that barely moves. Now think about Kong, a primate only two evolutionary steps away from humans, who has a dozen or more muscles that control the face. Now think about that and creating the servos, mechanisms to create something with the fidelity of the human face, and detailed enough to express the most intricate emotions. Now thing about covering those mechanisms in a surface that will slide and sag and wrinkle how real skin does. Now imagine doing that on a creature that stands 30 feet tall.

I am not exactly sure if what I typed above is even possible, let alone possible with the impressive detail that WETA and crew did on Kong.

Here I am only talking about the face, never mind the body, which you simple could not make without an extensive rig to hold it up. You see, humanoid bipeds cannot physically be that large, they would collapse under their own weight, so if nature cannot do it I doubt some animatronic master could, unless the body didn't move. Dinosaurs are built to be large, they are basically a teeter totter with their center of mass on top of massive legs and a balanced mass of tail to neck leading to the head. That is possible to build and loosely mimic the movement via animatronics.

I am confused too, you rail against cg in this thread but then bring up WOTW as an example of good movie effects work, WOTW was almost solid CGI in it's effects.

Also, you haven't shown us your little movie or images of a movie that demonstrates you could do Mirrormask better optically, we're waiting.

 

[Obi-Ron]

And it's not just about CGI or no CGI. It's how you use it to make people believe it is real.

Mirrormask establishes itself as a dream early on. It doesn't have to look real.

 

[Orko Is King]

I thought Mirrormask was wonderfully creative. And yes, Stephanie Leonidas is pretty damn cute.