Logan Anyone else treating this movie like "The Ghost of Christmas Future" - X-Scrooge? (SP

[YJ1]

SPOILERS.

The more I think about this movie the more it feels like a chapter of Dickens' a Christmas Carol. A glimpse in to a horrible possible future but one that can be avoided in the current X-Men movie run. Fitting since Patrick Stewart has always been the definitive Scrooge on stage and in film for me.

Maybe it just helps ease the pain of watching two characters I have grown to love on the big screen suffer and pass so horribly but all of this can and will be erased in future films. Just like DOFP erased Origins Wolverine.

After Dark Phoenix is settled in the next film, find this Dr. Rice and have Xavier scramble his brain. Thus, no mutant genetic extinction. At the first signs of Xavier's illness, it's time for Hank McCoy to dig out his old formula and administer it to Charles. Shutting off his powers but giving him use of his legs. Hank also develops a drug to boost Logan's natural healing to offset any adamantium poisoning.

So, "Logan" is nothing more than a disturbing, intense and well crafted bad dream. Worth the watch but not cannon to anything.

That's why I DO NOT want to see an X-23 sequel. I don't care what happens from there with those kids in Canada. As good as the movie is, I want this timeline to fizzle and disappear.

 

[Weather Witch]

I think that would hurt the legacy of these characters (and actors!) more than this movie could imho. To each their own though.

 

[Marvel]

I think that would hurt the legacy of these characters (and actors!) more than this movie could imho. To each their own though.

That would save Xavier's legacy. Right now, his legacy is that of failure. In the end, Xavier hurt more people than he helped and no one is left to remember and carry on. THAT is an awful way to close the Xavier legacy. It has to be changed/re-written if possible by the next X-Men movie.

 

[Legion]

No. It's not as impactful if it's an alternate version of the characters and not the ones we've been following all these years.

 

[Mutant 77]

My take on it:


TIMELINE "L" - The Alternate Universe of "Logan".

1939: Charles Xavier is born.
1832: James Howlett is born.
1845: James kills his father, John. He joins Victor Creed.
1945: Japan. 9th August. James Logan saves Ichiro Yashida at Nagasaki.
1983: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE" play out. Zander Rice's father is slaughtered by Logan.
1989: Transigen starts its program to stop mutations.
2004: Mutant births in the world stop.
An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN" play out. The X-Men are regarded as popular superheroes.
An alternate version of "X2" play out.
2005: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN: THE LAST STAND" play out. Xavier is not destroyed by Phoenix. Magneto loses his powers forever.
2011: An alternate version of the events of "THE WOLVERINE" play out. In this version, Wolverine don't lose his adamantium claws.
2018: Laura Kinney/X-23 is created.
2020s: The Westchester Incident.
2029: "LOGAN".

 

[Steamteck]

No. It's not as impactful if it's an alternate version of the characters and not the ones we've been following all these years.

I'm fine with that. Alternately we could just see a total XMen reboot.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm fine with that. Alternately we could just see a total XMen reboot.

Yes please!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The past: a new and uncertain world. A world of endless possibilities and infinite outcomes. Countless choices define our fate: each choice, each moment, a moment in the ripple of time. Enough ripple, and you change the tide... for the future is never truly set.

 

[danoyse]

No. In fact, I am actively rooting for my favorite X-Men/Marvel character to stay dead so as not screw up how good this movie was.

 

[SuperSanchez]

No, I don't mean to sound rude but this is a really, really bad idea.

 

[Weather Witch]

No. It's not as impactful if it's an alternate version of the characters and not the ones we've been following all these years.

yeah this is basically what I meant as well.

No. In fact, I am actively rooting for my favorite X-Men/Marvel character to stay dead so as not screw up how good this movie was.

Ditto.

 

[Marvel]

The past: a new and uncertain world. A world of endless possibilities and infinite outcomes. Countless choices define our fate: each choice, each moment, a moment in the ripple of time. Enough ripple, and you change the tide... for the future is never truly set.

Yep and that's why I'm in the camp that chooses to look at this movie as a "one and done" or at this timeline at the least. This IS a possible nightmare and I choose to believe they will introduce Logan back in to the X-films and ride him to a better destiny than this film bleakly illustrated.

A week later and this movie certainly sticks with you but not always in a good way. It's impactful but in a depressing way. Certainly let that linger but not be the final word.

 

[YJ1]

However you slice it, this movie is the cinematic equivalent of this...

A damn good read and moving but ultimately a stand alone concept that will never come to pass.

And it's BETTER that way.

 

[Weather Witch]

However you slice it, this movie is the cinematic equivalent of this...

A damn good read and moving but ultimately a stand alone concept that will never come to pass.

And it's BETTER that way.

Except they've repeatedly said it's not a stand-alone movie. You can obviously view it that way if you want, but there is no slicing involved. I mean Mangold went out of his way to say that the 'other universe' quotes from Hugh were taken out of context.

 

[X-Maniac]

It's all very grim, isn't it? The X-Men, Xavier and Wolverine all dead in horrible ways. Wolverine gets some sort of 'moment' with X-23 at least.

But the X-Men were wiped out by Xavier, mutants were made extinct by Zander Rice and Xavier died believing Wolverine had killed him.

Xavier's actions hardly leave us wanting to see him happily forming/leading the X-Men back in the past. We know now that he'll wipe them all out in the future. He was one of the worst threats to his own dream.

 

[Weather Witch]

It's all very grim, isn't it? The X-Men, Xavier and Wolverine all dead in horrible ways. Wolverine gets some sort of 'moment' with X-23 at least.

But the X-Men were wiped out by Xavier, mutants were made extinct by Zander Rice and Xavier died believing Wolverine had killed him.

Xavier's actions hardly leave us wanting to see him happily forming/leading the X-Men back in the past. We know now that he'll wipe them all out in the future. He was one of the worst threats to his own dream.

Yes it is really grim, but the more I think about it... the more I don't want them to change that. This is what life looks like. You know we've had so many movies that didn't dare to have events that would impact the next movie (which ties in with the whole 'episodic' feel that Mangold was talking about). Yes they are going to have to work a little harder to ensure that the story about how they get there is still interesting. Doesn't mean it can't be done though.

 

[Mutant 77]

Yes it is really grim, but the more I think about it... the more I don't want them to change that. This is what life looks like. You know we've had so many movies that didn't dare to have events that would impact the next movie (which ties in with the whole 'episodic' feel that Mangold was talking about). Yes they are going to have to work a little harder to ensure that the story about how they get there is still interesting. Doesn't mean it can't be done though.

Given the fact Cable is already confirmed and time travel will likely play a role in the upcoming movies - and maybe Legion does belong to this universe as well - I would say "Logan" is destined to be erased.

 

[Weather Witch]

Given the fact Cable is already confirmed and time travel will likely play a role in the upcoming movies - and maybe Legion does belong to this universe as well - I would say "Logan" is destined to be erased.

I think they'll probably just stick with 'don't ruin the future' jokes early on. Cable is from a dark future, but I don't see them elaborate much on that initially. X-Force probably will have to take care of said dark future eventually, but that would probably not impact Logan/X-Men movies.

 

[Mutant 77]

Can't wait for the next movies. Those will clear out all the continuity dilemmas surrounding "Logan".
For me, it's a standalone universe.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I absolutely hate the concept of Logan being just a "possible alternate future". Yes, it's a harsh story with a sad ending, but life isn't all sunshine and rainbows and it's nice to see a superhero story that reflects that.

But also I just love the small glimmer of hope that X-23 represents. I want to see more of her story and how she and the other newly created mutants impact the world. And fortunately it sounds like we may end up getting just that:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/05/24/x-23-movie-more-likely-to-be-its-own-film

 

[kguillou]

In my opinion, i literally think this movie is supposed to be considered the same way as the Old Man Logan comic, a possible future. A standalone "what if?" possible future story that uses the past movies' continuity to enrichen its story, not the definitive conclusion to the Fox X-Men saga. I think, at least for now, we're to consider DOFP the "definitive" conclusion to the series and then the future...is entirely up to the viewer's imagination/ choice.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yes it is really grim, but the more I think about it... the more I don't want them to change that. This is what life looks like. You know we've had so many movies that didn't dare to have events that would impact the next movie (which ties in with the whole 'episodic' feel that Mangold was talking about). Yes they are going to have to work a little harder to ensure that the story about how they get there is still interesting. Doesn't mean it can't be done though.

Second this.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I absolutely hate the concept of Logan being just a "possible alternate future". Yes, it's a harsh story with a sad ending, but life isn't all sunshine and rainbows and it's nice to see a superhero story that reflects that.

Agreed. It served as an emotionally impactful end to Xavier's and Logan's stories - and the start of Laura's.


Edit: Having rewatched this though and thought about it some more it does seem to be in its own timeline. It following on from the 'good' future at the end of DoFP doesn't work as Logan tells us that no mutants have been born since 2004 yet there were children clearly younger than 19 running around Xavier's school in 2023. And following on from the 'bad' future in DoFP doesn't work, because although Logan tells us about the lack of mutant births and the 'Westchester Incident' by way of explaining the lack of any other mutants in 2029, there's no mention whatsoever of the carnage and slaughter caused by the sentinels just six years earlier - so I think it's safe to assume that didn't happen.

 

[-JKR-]

LOOOOOOOOOL... nope. It's simply the final chapter of Hugh Jackman's Logan/Wolverine (and Professor X), who we first saw in the original X-Men movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

LOOOOOOOOOL... nope. It's simply the final chapter of Hugh Jackman's Logan/Wolverine (and Professor X), who we first saw in the original X-Men movie.

they are just making more difficult than it needs to be.Logan is final story of hugh jackman as wolverine.it takes place after all the other films as confirmed by james mangold.