World Are there any guenuinely EVIL characters in Spider-Man?

[hegele]

You know, by the time the third film came out I had it with Spidey. All of the villians are regular-- scratch that--- nice guys who happen to have a bad day and become bad. They are all tackily sympathetic. Some of the characters in the comics who were regular baddies were subjected to "ill children that need money for medicine-so i'll rob a bank", or science experiments gone wrong. At best the characters were *******s before they turned bad (Eddie to Peter, Gobey to his son).

It gets boring, I wish Raimi would stop trying to make his villains sympathetic and just make some genuine psychopaths that want nothing more than money and power-- or chaos.

 

[The Joker]

I don't get the title of your thread. You asked are there any genuinely evil characters, then you just answered your own question....

 

[Punisher RULES]

I'd say Carnage.

 

[Arcturus]

I think the Walrus is downright evil to the core.

 

[hegele]

I don't get the title of your thread. You asked are there any genuinely evil characters, then you just answered your own question....

I meant in the universe. I'm not exactly well versed in Spidey comics. I know Sandman was a mean bastard but they turned him into a desperate father for the movies.

 

[Spidey Snooch]

Check out the Marvel Knights run of Spidey comics. Especially the scene where Pete visits Norman in prison and they talk about the guard's wife. This scene shows that Norman is a straight-up bastard, through and through. Like, scary evil.

 

[The Joker]

I meant in the universe. I'm not exactly well versed in Spidey comics. I know Sandman was a mean bastard but they turned him into a desperate father for the movies.

Actually, Sandman, Harry, and to a lesser extent Brock, are the ones who are not evil in the comic books.

Otto and Norman are straight up bastards in the comic books.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Doc Ock and The Green Goblin have killed people and are cold blooded about it. They don't care at all. Doc Ock snapped peoples necks. The Green Goblin killed Gwen Stacey. Thats pure evilness.

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

Doc Ock seems to be the most evil to me because he commits his acts without the shoddy defense of insanity. He has reasoned his monstrous behavior into an entirely different moral code without claiming to have his dog talk to him or portray other psychotic traits. So if there is any character that is "evil," I'd say it was him.

 

[DACrowe]

Otto is a genuinely evil bastard made ssympathetic in the movie. Norman began as a sympathetic villain but upon his return from the dead in the '90s he became the ultimate incarnation of evil and Machiavellian genius in the Spidey universe. But the movie stayed true to his original incarnation under Stan Lee and Gerry Conway it is up to you which you prefer.

Sandman was always a crummy character who was sympathetic but boring, they gave him a good reason to be likeable in the movie. Harry was always sympathetic. In the end hte only really evil through and through character in the movies is Venom and even he in the comics has had sympathy tacked on to him, but it never really worked (he was just a bastard when first introduced in the comics).

Next up fans are expecting Lizard who is THE MOST sympathetic villain in Spidey mythos and Kraven, who has a sympathetic back story but is a through and through villain who meets a sympathetic end but is an evil character.

Really there are many plain old baddies in teh comics but they are usually boring and flat. Oddly Doc Ock was not one of them but he was changed into a sympathetic baddie in SM2 and Norman has evolved into hte most evil character in the comics but hte movie went back to his roots where he was sympathetic. Sandy and Harry are sympathetic too.

It's just the villains in the gray are more intriguing and complex than the plain old bad ones. But when done right the bad ones can be a manvolent force that readers are ushed to see present in the comics. Like Joker, Lex Luthor, Doctor Doom and current comics Green Goblin. Joker is the only one of them shown in pure bad assery on film yet faitfhully though thanks to Jack Nicholson. Albeit I hear Ledger will take the character to an even darker place than Nicholson, which is awesome to hear.

But just a head's up that movie features Two-Face who while a psychopath is also another "sympathetic villain" so if that ain't your thing, Megatron is still scuffling around in the multiplexes, then.

 

[Lantern Venom]

You know, by the time the third film came out I had it with Spidey. All of the villians are regular-- scratch that--- nice guys who happen to have a bad day and become bad. They are all tackily sympathetic. Some of the characters in the comics who were regular baddies were subjected to "ill children that need money for medicine-so i'll rob a bank", or science experiments gone wrong. At best the characters were *******s before they turned bad (Eddie to Peter, Gobey to his son).

It gets boring, I wish Raimi would stop trying to make his villains sympathetic and just make some genuine psychopaths that want nothing more than money and power-- or chaos.

Get the comic Carnage: Mind Bomb. It will answer your question...and give you the creeps.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

Carnage. He was a serial killer. And for the record, insanity isn't an excuse in my opinion.

 

[SPIDER-ADDA]

Green Goblin, just go to Wikipedia and look up his history.
He's just as sinister out of costume, read about all the things
Norman Osborn has done to his enemies. He even treated his oun son like crap, he practically drove Harry to his death.

 

[Tempest19]

There are no bad guys in Marvel comics, just people who make bad choices and could if pushed is a level you may go to. Magneato isn't a bad guy per se, he's a bad guy from the X-Men point of view on things. There are really no through and through evil bad guys in the Marvel universe, there are some that come close however- but, the Marvel Universe is in the gray realm.

Hell, even some DC villains are gray as well. I could look at Lex Luthor and say, he's not that bad of a guy- yet he is... read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. EXCELLANT read. Shows you why he is almost "good", but is actually bad.

It's a gray area. Alot of the good villains are, because the scariest villains are the villains you could become if you take the wrong path in life and not the villain with the twirling mustache tying the hot blonde babe on the railroad tracks.

 

[Mr. Socko]

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW SPIDER MAN IS EVIL!

[/whiney anakin voice]

 

[Dr.Dude]

I actually don't think that Norman Osborn in the first movie was anywhere near sympathetic. Sure, he wasn't straight out evil until the Goblin personality surfaced but he was just as much of an arrogant bastard, never once portrayed as a "nice guy"...with maybe the exception of his talks with Peter, however even those were somewhat manipulative on his part.

You understand him, yes, you know where he's coming from--but honestly, you never really feel sympathy for this cold-hearted psychopath who in the end dies accidentally by his own treacherous hand. The same goes for Venom in Spider-Man 3.

They're doing the right thing in these movies, I think; many villains are sympathetic, some aren't but the important thing is that no matter what, you always understand why the villain is the way he is. Having a character just be randomly evil for no discernible reason would probably come across as two-dimensional with these characters.

I meant in the universe. I'm not exactly well versed in Spidey comics. I know Sandman was a mean bastard but they turned him into a desperate father for the movies.

Well, the thing is, Sandman wasn't an evil bastard in the comics. Keep in mind, he was the guy who turned into a hero for years, even going so far as to join the Avengers at one point, not to mention Marko really was never much of a killer to begin in. Sure, he was sympathetic in the comics for different reasons than in the movie but the point is that he was sympathetic.