Are We Too Cynical/Pessimistic These Days?

Shikamaru

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There's a rant I want to get off my chest, a bit long but please bear with me. It's related to the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge, but it's not entirely about the challenge. Rather, the challenge will be the main example I'll stick to throughout most of this post.

For most of my life, I considered myself a cynical person (and still do to a degree). Especially in my teens. I constantly had thoughts of how much I hated the world and how humanity constantly pissed me off. Then I grew up, spent more time in various parts of the real world and the web, and realized I'm not as cynical as I thought I was.

I think society as a whole is WAY too cynical these days. I get that constructive criticism is important (trust me that I live by that belief), and arguably there was a time where people were too optimistic/naive and believed everything they heard. But instead we've shifted from one extreme side to the other.

I absolutely love all the buzz surrounding the ice bucket challenge. When I watch and read about all these videos and donations people are making, I see something that our society deserves huge props for. It's one of the most beautiful things social media has done in a long while IMO. Raising money and awareness everywhere, creating huge buzz everywhere, over $50 million and growing for a horrid disease that goes largely unnoticed. $2.1 million was raised last year and donations this year have increased by over 1000%, to put that in perspective. Practically everyone is doing it. I see people who barely use social media still uploading videos of them pouring water on themselves. I see people I consider jerks in real life still donating and reminding others to donate. I see people with somewhat-cynical views as me, who usually complain about how stupidly trendy certain things are, still doing the challenge.

You have politicians from various different spectrums and parties doing the challenge and donating money. Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, they're all doing it. Freakin' Charlie Sheen came out and reminded people of the whole point of the challenge, and challenged other rich actors to donate $10G like he did. It's nice to see masses participate in something like this as opposed to donating to some big YouTube personality for a cool game or movie they wanna make, which happens quite a lot.

That's what I see, but that's not what some see. Despite its success, some still only see people wasting water. Or people following a stupid trend. Or people needing something fun to get them to donate. Or argue this shows how selfish and biased humans are because they don't do this to every issue out there.

Now the water argument is silly and absurd on its own. First, we each waste more water than necessary on an average day than we do on this silly challenge. Second, not using water over here has no correlation to the amount of quality water in Africa. Third, this challenge is working to raise awareness and money. The pros far outweigh the cons and the results show that. Plus I don't see most of these people sending 24 pack Poland Spring to Africa so it's somewhat of a hypocritical stance IMO.


And that brings me to my point. Everything we do these days is bad in some shape or form. Directly or indirectly. Everything is a conspiracy, everything has some malicious intention behind it, everything has a tradeoff ("you wouldn't do this for x or y") or is a direct example of how stupid/evil we are. We are taught they're deprived or they're oppressing the underprivileged from a very early age. We are taught to see the negative in everything and to hate ourselves. We are conditioned to think like that now. That no matter what we do, we are unjust, and create more injustice.

There was a boy with cancer. He had a fundraiser drive going for him. One that people donated to and he had set up. Had a video game idea they were going to bring to life. And how did a lot of people respond? "Check your privilege!" People attacked it literally because this kid, like ten years old, was "a straight white cisgendered male". "Why aren't you doing this for the dying little girls, or the POC children with cancer? I have a feeling you wouldn't care so much then." "This shows everything that's wrong with society!" Culminating with people telling this kid more or less to his face "I hope you die."


Why can't we see the good in anything anymore? We have we become so misanthropic about everything? What must be done to make some people happy and say that humans have done something good for once? Because I have a hard time believing there is *anything* society will ever do that will make them happy.

I can't change any of your minds, but please consider my advice...it's not good to always be cynical about everything. Yeah the world's not perfect, but constantly criticizing every single aspect of life isn't making things better either. It's miserably unhealthy, and in some ways just as damaging to the species as the human stupidity that has plagued our world. Constructive criticism is an excellent tool but if we can never see the positive in anyone's actions, we'll have everything to lose.
 
I'd ask them (your armchair inactivists) why they're arguing with me instead of jetting over to Africa, making the world a better place or what have you.
 
People who are criticizing the ALS ice bucket challenge are idiots and they're only doing it because they like being contrarian. If its helped raise this much awareness and raise 40x the money that was made last year, then how is it a bad thing?

And to complain about the wasting of water is also ridiculous. Unless those people refrain from showering then they have no right to complain.
 
People who are criticizing the ALS ice bucket challenge are idiots and they're only doing it because they like being contrarian. If its helped raise this much awareness and raise 40x the money that was made last year, then how is it a bad thing?

And to complain about the wasting of water is also ridiculous. Unless those people refrain from showering then they have no right to complain.

Yeah I know. the whole point is that people are DONATING.
 
I'm a perpetual optimist myself, even when I was a teen and was all about punk rock and anarchy I still saw the good in the world. These days even more so. With each new year we cure or grow closer to curing all kinds of ailments, every year new amazing tech comes out for us to enjoy, we have amazing tv shows and movies to watch and so on. I think it's easy to get the wrong idea about the world just going off of Facebook friends or other social media as well as traditional media. Sadly crazy negativity and bad things are what people will pay attention to. Case in point my Stupid thread is already on it's second part and if I'm not mistaken the Good things thread (which is literally anything anyone considers to be a good thing in the world) isn't even in the 20's yet if I recall.

Nobody recalls all the cars they saw going to and from work but everyone remembers the horrible accident. I think it's just how are brains are wired, if we all felt happy and content all the time nobody would have the motivation to go out and actually do something to better the world.
 
I haven't heard of this ALS ice bucket before. My concern with those charity and donation events in general is that I am not sure how much money goes to those that truly need it.
But then again, something good comes out of charity no matter how small it is, so I suppose it is better than nothing. But it is only a patch. It doesn't solve the root causes of the problems which we could very easily solve once and for all if our sociopolitical structure wanted to.

One simple example is the homeless people all around the world. There are so many abandoned buildings in perfect condition, that could easily provide a shelter for them, but our money driven regulations and private ownership won't allow them to do so. That's crazy and unacceptable in the 21st century.
 
I find the fact that it takes a silly thing like this bucket challenge to raise awareness of a disease to be rather depressing. But hey, whatever it takes.

But I don't think the average joe is a cynic. Just an idiot with a comically short attention span. Cynicism is a sign of intelligence, something most humans lack.
 
As great as the ALS challenge's results have been it's the motive I question. The are hundreds of diseases afflicting more people than ALS that nobody gives a **** about yet because there isn't a trendy viral marketing campaign that's made it cool to talk about. When people feign concern about a topic just because supposedly cool celebrities are talking about it that's ****ing sad.
 
I find the fact that it takes a silly thing like this bucket challenge to raise awareness of a disease to be rather depressing. But hey, whatever it takes.

But I don't think the average joe is a cynic. Just an idiot with a comically short attention span. Cynicism is a sign of intelligence, something most humans lack.

See? Little comments like these are almost everywhere now. That's part of what Shikamaru was talking about.
 
Nobody will remember what ALS even stands for (if they knew in the first place) in 3 months when the newer and cooler pet social project comes along. Is everyone still going to be so optimistic when ALSA return to their usual $2m a year necauset it's not trendy anymore?

Anybody care about that Kony 2012 farce anymore? There are probably more child soldiers in North Africa than ALS sufferers, but that's none of my business...

It's great that a good cause can be helped like this, but anybody who thinks it's more than a very convenient flash in the pan is sadly deluded. Maybe one day humanity will get to the point where people won't only lend their voices to what's easy and good to be seen doing. I wonder what it must feel like to suffer from a condition like Lupus that isn't cool enough to reach critical mass in the public eye quite yet.
 
Mankind as a whole needs to quickly improve. I believe that. But beating ourselves up constantly is counter-productive.

Self-hatred or misanthropy lead to horrible acts of evil. Self-esteem is arrogance and pride in disguise. We need to focus on a worldview that diminishes the importance of self, really, and focus on generosity.

Hatred or love of self is a corruption of both emotions.

Hatred is for moral outrage.

Love is to be expressed outward toward others.
 
I haven't heard of this ALS ice bucket before. My concern with those charity and donation events in general is that I am not sure how much money goes to those that truly need it.
But then again, something good comes out of charity no matter how small it is, so I suppose it is better than nothing. But it is only a patch. It doesn't solve the root causes of the problems which we could very easily solve once and for all if our sociopolitical structure wanted to.

One simple example is the homeless people all around the world. There are so many abandoned buildings in perfect condition, that could easily provide a shelter for them, but our money driven regulations and private ownership won't allow them to do so. That's crazy and unacceptable in the 21st century.

Agreed. And some recent laws on homelessness are cause for concern.
 
People should also stop patting themselves on the back for showing 'common' decency. I'm not sure you're using self-esteem correctly there, no self-esteem usually leads to people not having 'love' or anything approaching that concept near their list of priorities.

People should also start calling a spade a spade, a lot of the hatred humanity receives from people is justified.
 
People should also stop patting themselves on the back for showing 'common' decency. I'm not sure you're using self-esteem correctly there, no self-esteem usually leads to people not having 'love' or anything approaching that concept near their list of priorities.

Humble people are caring people. Don't you agree? You're referring more to the self-hatred I talked about.

People should also start calling a spade a spade, a lot of the hatred humanity receives from people is justified.

Moral outrage against specific acts of evil can be acceptable to me.
 
I'll play devil's advocate here, in regards to the ice bucket challenge I think what people have issue with is that it takes a viral video campaign to motivate people in the first place to give money to those who need it. It shouldn't require some elaborate set up to get people motivated. In fact the argument can be made that people aren't doing it for the charity at all, they are doing it for themselves for youtube hits, in effect some people generate enough ad revenue on youtube that they are likely to receive more money back from the video than the amount they donated. It's great all this money is being donated, but what will happen next year?
 
I'm cynical and proud. So what? Get bent. :o

As for the ice bucket challenge? Has anyone thought for a second about the central motivation? People dump ice on their heads so they DON'T have to pay money to charity, and instead pass the buck to the next person all the while making a spectacle out of it and putting the spotlight on themselves instead of the disease.

Now THAT is true cynicism.
 
I'm cynical and proud. So what? Get bent. :o

As for the ice bucket challenge? Has anyone thought for a second about the central motivation? People dump ice on their heads so they DON'T have to pay money to charity, and instead pass the buck to the next person all the while making a spectacle out of it and putting the spotlight on themselves instead of the disease.

Now THAT is true cynicism.

They've raised over 50 million dollars for ALS research and have everyone talking about it when no one was before.

So no, not really.
 
Cynicism is just another way to be pretentious, more or less saying these other peons in existence are less intelligent than me since I can see what they can't. I am a pretty sarcastic ****, but I try to see arguments from all sides in the same breath if possible.
 
I'm cynical, but I'm also a positive realist.

There are so many diseases and problems in the world that we can't equally focus on all of them. In the same way we have to live our own lives and have our share of life's little troubles. I think small acts of kindness and awareness, like the Ice Bucket Challenge, enables us to feel that this disease is conquerable to some extent. So what if it's just a fad that people want to join in? If you think you can contribute who cares what people say? So what if it only focuses on this one singular illness? There will be other days when other illnesses will get the spotlight and we will be made aware of the toll they take on people.

I think the world is a terrible but beautiful place, but we should pick our battles one at a time and live our lives as we experience it.
 
I'm cynical and proud. So what? Get bent. :o

As for the ice bucket challenge? Has anyone thought for a second about the central motivation? People dump ice on their heads so they DON'T have to pay money to charity, and instead pass the buck to the next person all the while making a spectacle out of it and putting the spotlight on themselves instead of the disease.

Now THAT is true cynicism.

Actually, if you pour ice over your head you are supposed to pay $10 and then challenge more people. if you turn it down you are supposed to pay $100.
 
A little pessimism is fine but some folks go a bit overboard believing everyone has to have an ulterior motive or agenda and no one is altruistic.

“A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing.”
― Oscar Wilde

“Scratch any cynic and you will find a disappointed idealist.”
― George Carlin

Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying “yes” begins things. Saying “yes” is how things grow. Saying “yes” leads to knowledge. “Yes” is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say “yes'.”
― Stephen Colbert

“All I ask is one thing, and I’m asking this particularly of young people: please don’t be cynical. I hate cynicism, for the record, it’s my least favorite quality and it doesn’t lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get. But if you work really hard and you’re kind, amazing things will happen.”
― Conan O'Brien

“I fight cynicism. It`s too easy. It`s really boring. It`s much harder to be positive and see the wonder of everything. Cynicism is a bunch of people who aren`t as talented as other people, knocking them because they make them feel even more untalented.”
― Ewan McGregor
 

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