Ari Aster's "Beau is Afraid”

I still laugh that people thought The Batman was too long. No one is making "you" go to the theater...

Movies should be like books or albums. The length should be because it's worth being short or long, due to plot or world building.

My favorite albums usually have that perfect tracklist; In Rainbows would be weird with an extra song or two, same with Purple Rain. While I love the b-sides; they don't 'fit' on the respective album(s).
 
Heck of a thing seeing members of Film Twitter who ***** to high Heaven every time a movie goes approaches two hours suddenly saying they’d be cool with this being 3.5 hours long.
Probably not the same people?
I still laugh that people thought The Batman was too long. No one is making "you" go to the theater...

Movies should be like books or albums. The length should be because it's worth being short or long, due to plot or world building.

My favorite albums usually have that perfect tracklist; In Rainbows would be weird with an extra song or two, same with Purple Rain. While I love the b-sides; they don't 'fit' on the respective album(s).

I mean it's obvious it's not about length per se, but whether one agrees that the film structure justifies it or not. I too thought The Batman could easily trim at least half an hour and at the same time the extended version of Return of the King which is four hours long without the credits is by far my favourite.
 
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The Batman could have been 2 1/2 hours and still have the same effect as the current version. Definitely could have been trimmed.
 
It's entirely relative. There isn't a universal rule that determines whether the length of a movie has any impact on its quality. However, A24 already gets fewer screens when their movies are released so the idea of having a 3.5hr horror movie doesn't sound too marketable. I'd rather they either trim it and release a director's cut like they did with Midsommar or just release two volumes like Nymphomaniac.
 
The Batman could have been 2 1/2 hours and still have the same effect as the current version. Definitely could have been trimmed.

Yeah the criticism isn't that no movies should ever be that long, it's just a question of whether a given movie justifies its own length or overstays its welcome. Opinions are unsurprisingly going to vary there.
 
Everybody becomes a professional editor though. I’ve rarely agreed with people on “what should’ve been cut” or what deleted scenes “should’ve been put back in”.

Let the filmmakers decide all that, and then we’ll say if it worked for us or not. I would never touch a movie the filmmaker is happy with even if I thought it was too long or too short. It is what it is.
 
The Batman could have been 2 1/2 hours and still have the same effect as the current version. Definitely could have been trimmed.
I don’t see how that would be possible without sacrificing so much.
 
Everybody becomes a professional editor though. I’ve rarely agreed with people on “what should’ve been cut” or what deleted scenes “should’ve been put back in”.

Let the filmmakers decide all that, and then we’ll say if it worked for us or not. I would never touch a movie the filmmaker is happy with even if I thought it was too long or too short. It is what it is.
That’s what it comes down to online. People will say this movie should be an hour shorter but they won’t be able to tell you which scenes should have been cut. You’ll see. OR (like with The Batman) they’ll ask for specific scenes to be cut and my response is usually “umm that sounds like a different film now..”.

If the director wants it to be 4 hours, there should probably be some digital or physical release that makes that director happy. Same thing if they want their movie to be 90 minutes. Luckily we live in a time where a studio cut and a director’s cut can both come out. We have options: theatrical, streaming, blu ray/4k whatever. Everybody wins.

We all have to be realistic and understand the studio’s perspective. At this point I say compromise. Release a director’s cut on blu ray and just trim it down for the cinema if you’re asked to. I can see purists like Nolan being like “nope, the theatrical version HAS to be the only cut I ever release of my movie!” which is like ughhh shut up. The true fans will buy your extended “real cut” on a disc because they’re curious/hungry fans. The casuals will live with whatever is released. They don’t give a damn. The cinema is the great way to debut your film but home release is how your art lives on forever.

I get it when the studio wants a movie to be shorter but at the same time, I don’t understand when a “customer” complains that it’s too long. You’re already there for 2 to 2.5 hours. You’re telling me a half an hour longer is too extreme? Lol it’s really dumb. Where do you have to be? Why is everyone in a rush to go nowhere? It’s longer than usual? Ok...get to a earlier show? Or wait for it to come out online so you can split the film in half over the course of two nights? You’re going to tell a filmmaker (as well as the studio) to put out a shorter flick before you’ve even seen the movie...JUST because you have a short attention span? Or because you got ants in yo pants and gotta get up early in the mornin’!? LOL it’s like get over yourself.

Let the artist and business men/women make those decisions, then take the film as its presented. THEN complain if you think some scenes were unnecessary and it dragged. But the reason why I get annoyed is this: anytime ppl complain that a film (like The Batman for instance) is too long...they were the ones who expressed the same opinion weeks/months before the movie dropped. They saw the run time and got spooked. Anytime I’ve ever seen ppl watch the movie blindly without being told the run time...their reaction is “oh! That was almost 3 hours? Didn’t feel like 3 hours!”. People see higher numbers and it gets in their head. Yet it’s A-okay to marathon 8 hours of Stranger Things in one night (its all I’m hearing on twitter tonight).

Midsommar’s regular cut is my favourite version. The deleted scenes weren’t necessary IMO. But I said that AFTER I saw the film. If they originally announced that a 3.5 hour cut of Midsommar would be released everywhere, I’d be like ok cool...I’ll either go to the cinema when I have time or I’ll wait. This automatic “omg wayyy too long and unnecessary!! Must cut down!” before seeing it is LUDICROUS.
 
I want a trailer so bad. The first trailers for Hereditary and Midsommar were like holyyyyy ****. I hope Aster sticks with A24.
 
I hope he stays with A24 as well. Robert Eggers seems traumatized after The Northman and hearing how much the studio wanted to make edits, it seems like A24 is one of the few studios that gives their directors free range.
 
It's partially because they produce relatively cheap movies. Their most expensive film is Everything, Everywhere, All at Once which is a 25 million production and the next one is The Green Knight at 15 million. The Northman cost around 90 million. Eggers wouldn't have been able to make this film at all in A24. But it surely looks like a top choice studio for filmmakers that want to do a mid to low range budget films.
 
Apparently someone at A24 confirmed this is only coming out in 2023 now. Damnit. Same with Lanthimos’ film.
 
Apparently someone at A24 confirmed this is only coming out in 2023 now. Damnit. Same with Lanthimos’ film.
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I don't mind. He should take as much time as he needs in order to deliver the movie he believes is best. I just hope it has nothing to do with the rumoured disagreement over the cut of the film.
 
Completely fine with me! We’re still getting God’s Creatures and The Whale likely this year. Saving this and Civil War for next year is exciting!
 
Yeah, there's no way this is making a profit.
 
I’d bet that after Joker, Joaquin’s name alone will put some butts in seats.
 
Yeah, there's no way this is making a profit.
Depends. If the marketing drills the point home that Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix is leading one of the more disturbing movies in quite some time, in collaboration with the guy who brought you Hereditary and Midsommar...it has a good chance. If it fails it’s because they got lazy and didn’t take advantage of the marketing potential gold they have in their lap.
 
...after Joker?

Either you've been on the Phoenix train since 1999/2000 (like me) or at the latest 2010ish; you probably never will be.
 

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