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Arthur C. Clarke The talent, the monster?

It may taint his legacy a bit, but honestly, he was one of the most groundbreaking and influential sci-fi authors ever and I just don't see any of that changing in light of this. It reflects more on him as a human being than it does as an author and literary influence on an entire genre.

jag

I really don't get the mind set that certain people, no matter how sick an act they commit, they are absolved by something which makes it somehow less wrong. I will never understand that kind of thinking.
 
I really don't get the mind set that certain people, no matter how sick an act they commit, they are absolved by something which makes it somehow less wrong. I will never understand that kind of thinking.

But it's not absolution. :huh: It's recognizing that they made some very important contributions in one area but were a very damaging person to people in other parts of their lives. It's not so black and white as "he had sex with boys so that means everything he did as a writer is now completely null and void".

jag
 
I didn't mean completely. I don't really care about his legacy and the impact it may take, nor should anyone else, the guy needs to be locked up if it's true.
 
I didn't mean completely. I don't really care about his legacy and the impact it may take, nor should anyone else, the guy needs to be locked up if it's true.

He's sort of dead. At any rate, supposedly he limited his kiddie fiddling to countries that it's not illegal in, so I don't know that they could prosecute him even if he was alive.

jag
 
No he thought it up himself.When you say he "popularized" the idea you make it sound like it was borne of his fiction writings.Dont get me wrong Im sure theres plenty of credit to go around for the invention and implementation.But lets give the man his credit for the concept.
http://lakdiva.org/clarke/1945ww/

I'm must apologise for saying this if it offends. Whatever the questionable merits of his writing as art, I have to take issue with the various claims (especially his own)about all the stuff he "invented" or "had the idea for".

Does anyone truly believe, that, the process for the development of the communication satellite owes itself somehow to his idea? If indeed he did have it first, which is something I have heard many times, is in fact a dubious claim at best.

He wrote science fiction remember, and of all the millions of ideas, life styles, gadgets etc. made up in the genre, isn't it more likely that eventually a couple of them might come to fruition, just based on the odds? Or that someone somewhere was already working on it, and he heard about it? In fact this is exactly what happened and the original idea came from Hermann Oberth, a german scientist in 1923! He proposed reflective mirrors rather than radio waves. Optical linking has only just occured in Communication satellites by the way, but the principle is the same as using radio waves. Edward Everett Hale even suggest an artificial moon could be used for navigation long before that in the 1830's. George O. Smith had space relay stations in orbit around the earth and in space prior to Clarke in a his book Venus Equilateral printed in 1943...Clarke himself admits his "idea" came from discussions with friends who all worked in Radar.

I must ask, are the writers of the Jetsons responsible for private aircraft? Then we have L. Ron Hubbard. When it comes to inventing stuff, I think he wins the gold, don't you?

It's all nonsense and just the sound of a giant ego exercising.

Science fiction of ACC's type is better than not reading at all, but we must be careful when we label people "a visionary", it usually is not that simple. As a modest Newton once said, "If I have seen further, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." . You want visionary, read Orwell or Huxley, even Frank Herbert!
 
LONDON, Feb 1: Arthur C. Clarke, arguably the best known Sci-fi writer in the world, is a self-confessed paedophile, according to a British newspaper. The Sunday Mirror claims that Clarke, who is 80-years old and has lived in Sri Lanka for the last 40 years, admitted to them that he had sex with young boys in Sri Lanka.
Clarke was asked what the age of the youngest boy he had had sex with was, he replied, ``Most of them had reached puberty.'' He insisted, ``I have never had the slightest interest in children -- boys or girls... but once they have reached the age of puberty, then it is okay.''

Clarke was awarded a knighthood in the Queen's new years honours list. Prince Charles who is going to Sri Lanka on Monday for the 50th anniversary celebrations, is expected to formally give him the knighthood on Wednesday. The Downing Street press spokesperson refused to comment on the allegations made in The Sunday Mirror or on whether the knighthood would still be conferred on Clarke.

Clarke, according to thepaper, believes that none of his sexual encounters with young boys in Sri Lanka can be classified as paedophilia since ``...pure and simple they looked reasonably mature. Mature enough to me.'' Clarke is quoted by the paper as defining a paedophile as ``anyone who interferes with young boys who are not old enough to know their own minds...''

According to Clarke, ``Most of the damage comes from the fuss made by hysterical parents afterwards. If the kids don't mind, fair enough.''The paper said that they had talked to some men, who as boys had sex with Clarke for money, about 1,000 rupees a time.

These men told the Sunday Mirror journalist, Graham Johnson, that they would never have consented but for the money involved. Clarke's reaction, it is reported, was, ``I'm sure. But I didn't make anyone do anything that they did not enjoy doing.'' The paper spoke to three men who said that they had sexual encounters with Clarke when they were young.

One of them, Antom Bottoni, who has worked as a translator forthe UK charity Save the Children told Graham Johnson that he had been introduced to Clarke at the Otter's Club by his paedophile boss when he was 17. Bottoni told the paper the Clarke kept pornographic pictures of boys in ``locked cabinet near his bed'', which he liked to show him before they had sex. Bottoni also said that he had sent four or five boys to Clarke's house, ``because he asked me if I had any friends who needed help. Meaning money.''

According to the report, Clarke's ``friends'' appear to grant him access to young men and boys simply because ``he asked me to''. One such friend, the paper says, is Dayanande de Silva, director of current affairs at the Sri Lankan Broadcasting Corporation. De Silva told the paper, ``Arthur seems attracted to the rough, unsophisticated 17 and 18-year-olds, although I know he has sampled much younger ones.'' He said, ``Arthur likes casual affairs with lots of different boys. If I think he might like one of my boys I give them his phone number -- he asked me to...The last time I saw Arthur a few months ago he was still having casual sex with boys. The boys do it for money and money is nothing to Arthur C. Clarke.''

Copyright © 1998 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.


Thing is Jag, even if the allegations were true. Which they may not have been. Should it affect how we view his art or talent? I'm not sure.

Interestingly Clarke never sued De Silva..... De Silva never retracted his allegations despite the newspapers retracting at the time Clarke got his knighthood.

The age of consent was only 12 in Sri Lanka till 1998 the year these allegations surfaced. That's not evidence in itself to sustain the accusation of paedophilia. Somebody might well have other reasons for living in Sri Lanka. Like the beaches, or the food, or being Sri Lankan...... Surely
 
the very first article says the pedophile allegations were discredited

The articles are for research. What's your point?

The charges were dropped, as I stated earlier and as I stated earlier an apology was made by the mirror. That said, the boys who made the allegations, whilst not continuing to press charges did not change their stance neither did DeSilva. As I stated earlier we will never know. Descredited is an opinion. The Police dropped the charges, the mirror apologised. None of the people making the allegations said they were lying or were sued....

Satirical and funny

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Unquotable:Arthur_C._Clarke
 
The articles are for research. What's your point?

The charges were dropped, as I stated earlier and as I stated earlier an apology was made by the mirror. That said, the boys who made the allegations, whilst not continuing to press charges did not change their stance neither did DeSilva. As I stated earlier we will never know. Descredited is an opinion. The Police dropped the charges, the mirror apologised. None of the people making the allegations said they were lying or were sued....
defensive much?

my point is you should have included that in your first post if you're going to be polling people as to whether he's a monster.
 
defensive much?

my point is you should have included that in your first post if you're going to be polling people as to whether he's a monster.

Ahh, the question mark in the title and first post is a clue? Maybe? You think? Could be? Reading a whole thread usually helps, as does comprehending the inference from punctuation. In this case a question mark, meaning, t-that it's a quesion?!? Perhaps? Who knows?

In Summary;

The knighting ceremony had been postponed by two years after allegations of paedophilia in the British media based on unguarded remarks Clarke made to two visiting journalists. The Journos also never retracted that Clarke had made these statements.

Clarke vigorously denied the accusations and no legal case was ever brought.

The three accusers mysteriously dropped their charges all at the same time. It is not impossible to hide things in nations where the police are underpaid and overworked and the person they are dealing with is very wealthy. Is it? Apparently, though, a number of other accusations were subsequent to the Mirror case.

Continued allegations and rumors are mentioned in numerous papers yesterday. As I said many posts earlier, "We will never know"?
 
You know it really shouldn't taint his legacy. He should be remembered for his art. After all, I'm pretty sure Oscar Wilde was a pedophile too. And Mel Gibson is an anti semite but he made some great films. Walt Disney ratted out animators for being communists and was also an anti-semite, and hes touched all our lives for the better.
Reportedly, Stanley Kubrick was a dickweed, but he did with a camera what Da Vinci did with a ceiling.
 
Whirlysplat said:
In fact this is exactly what happened and the original idea came from Hermann Oberth, a german scientist in 1923! He proposed reflective mirrors rather than radio waves.


I though Oberth's reflective mirror was an idea for a "death ray" that could burn its enemies from space like ants through a magnifying glass..Ive never heard or read anything that would suggest Oberth was proposing reflective mirrors for use in communication.If you can show different ,Im all eyes.Untill then spare me "The Jetsons" argument
 
I though Oberth's reflective mirror was an idea for a "death ray" that could burn its enemies from space like ants through a magnifying glass..Ive never heard or read anything that would suggest Oberth was proposing reflective mirrors for use in communication.If you can show different ,Im all eyes.Untill then spare me "The Jetsons" argument

Of course you have never read anything that would suggest Oberth was proposing reflective mirrors. He did it before WWII. How much do you read from scientists of that era?

Oberth had the geostationary sat predicted in 1923. He had the idea for space relay stations before the war. He did indeed have death rays. He also had optical signals from sats to earth.
I am not going to do all the research for you.
 
With all due respect thats unfair.If Oberth did in fact conceive the communication satellite first,Im interested.But like I said,Ive never heard or read that.Yet I have heard and read of Clarke's contribution and can provide a great many links and sources to that effect.Ive been trying to find an article or paper to back up what you're claiming and it hasnt come up.
You cant lay all the blame on me like Im the one guy in the world whos attempting to "stroke" his ego then..Seems like the entire scientific community would be guilty of that.
 
uhh....WTF?

*slowly backs out of thread with dry face* :dry:
 
With all due respect thats unfair.If Oberth did in fact conceive the communication satellite first,Im interested.But like I said,Ive never heard or read that.Yet I have heard and read of Clarke's contribution and can provide a great many links and sources to that effect.Ive been trying to find an article or paper to back up what you're claiming and it hasnt come up.
You cant lay all the blame on me like Im the one guy in the world whos attempting to "stroke" his ego then..Seems like the entire scientific community would be guilty of that.

O.K. I was perhaps unfair to you, so apologies.

Clarke himself traces these strands in his book Ascent to Orbit, a Scientific Autobiography;

They involve communication of men in satellites with earth. Hermann Oberth's first book, The Rocket Into Planetary Space (1923) suggests that men in a space station could communicate with earth, including ships at sea, with candles at night and hand-mirrors by day. Presumably, Oberth felt the radio of his day impractical in space. Captain H. Totocnik, writing under the name Hermann Noordung in 1928, described a manned space station in synchronous orbit and assumed that there would be radio links between earth and the station.
In a 1942 science-fiction story, George O. Smith told of a manned space station at the Trojan position, sixty degrees ahead of Venus, used to maintain communication between Venus and Earth when the Sun blocked the direct path.

Who first had the idea of unmanned satellites of the sort we actually do have? I don't know. George Brown (in 1935) and Loren Jones, then managers of transmission engineering at RCA, were tremendously enthusiastic about synchronous communication satellites, but their enthusiasm was recorded only in notebooks.



When John R. Pierce received the Marconi International Fellowship, chiefly for his work on satellite communication. Clarke received the same award later. A man at COMSAT called concerning Clarke's nomination and asked him what Clarke had done. He said that Clarke had published the first paper about communication satellites, and that he cited it in whatever he wrote. As I stated many posts ago, my opinion is Clarke popularised the idea with the first paper on comm sats. It was not his "original" or "individual" idea.


Even Clarke himself admits he owed "his" idea to others. Heavily plagiarised by me from a work by John R. Pierce who worked on Telstar for AT & T!
 

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