Mjölnir;31358985 said:
I can understand that, but don't agree with that assessment of Hulk not being needed. First of all being unbeatable isn't the requirement of being in the Avengers. Otherwise BW and HE would never have been there. The HB was also specifically designed to fight Hulk with assistance from Banner himself.
I wouldn't for one minute want Hulk being unbeatable. In fact you have heard my complaints about making Ultron a threat and I have stated having him taking down, Thor or Hulk 1 vs 1 would have marked him out as a threat. Also, if Hulk does anything but get get a good beating from Thanos I will be complaining just as much.
Also, Hulk's role on the team is the muscle, if HB can not only last in a fight with Hulk and then also knock him out at the end of it, I don't see a point in Hulk being in the team as muscle when HB can just be called in instead. Hope this makes my point a bit clearer.
Mjölnir;31358985 said:
As for being able to beat IM, we haven't seen that no one can. His fight with Thor had him at 475% capacity and he could not make a mark on Thor and the Asgardian could clearly crush his armor with his hands. The fight was stopped before someone was beaten, although IM was just swatted away when Thor turned his attention to Cap. There's others on the team that we haven't seen fight him yet either. Even Hulk might fight differently without being "mind controlled". IM will of course be featured well though since he's the one that people are the most interested in seeing.
But again he put up a much better showing against Thor than he should have. I didn't find the conclusion of that fight to bad though as Thor has it in his head to hold back, Hulk doesn't,me specially when under a Hex. Even so, Thor should have still beat IM with some ease, more than what was shown anyway. As I have said though the IM love in didn't bother me too much until AOU.
Mjölnir;31358985 said:
As for knocking out Hulk Thor was close to it even right off the bad when he picked up Mjolnir, without having to wear him down first, and their fight was also interrupted before any real conclusion. Loki didn't even try and he's not one to knock Hulk out but rather fool the monster or turn him to his own purpose. Abomination pretty much beat Hulk until something came to make his anger overcome his foe in the end. I don't think any but Loki looked weak, although some Hulk fans seem to disagree and think that he was by far the most powerful in TA.
But that's the thing, it was near the start of the fight and a full on blow from a God with a powerfully mystical hammer couldn't knock out Hulk, but HB can? It just undermines the other characters who are on the team for muscle for me. Also look at all the blows Hulk took in the Abom fight and he was never knocked out. He was beat to a pulp in that fight yet never once looked like being knocked out and his anger got him through it. He also took a lot of punishment from the Chitauri but was never once knocked out. Agreed on Loki.
It's a real shame as I was really excited to see the Hulkbuster finally, and to see it taking on Hulk, and I loved the fight and knew how it ended before hand but wanted to see how it was done in the movie before I commented on it as in context it may have worked. But it didn't, it just annoyed at the time and has continued to since. I am an IM fan as well, read plenty of his comics and many of his fights with Hulk, even the one we're he beat Hulk but at great cost because he nearly died after it due to his armour shutting down. So it's not like I have a huge bias toward one character, I like both. But HB should not be able to knock Hulk out and it was a poor, poor way to end the fight.