Comics Bad Thought about Spider-Verse and Time Runs Out!

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What if it is true that the Marvel U is being reset?
What if Spider-Verse is helping in it, by wiping out other Spider-Universes?
MC2, Noir, 1602?
 
There's a rumor going around that the end of Hickman's Avengers run is going to deal with the Incursion plot from New Avengers being the one that destroys the 616 as we know it and leads to a complete reboot of the Marvel Universe.

If they do that then that will be the end of me as a comics reader. :down
 
You and me both sir, you and me both.
With the latest issue of The Walking Dead, I dropped that book.
I was waiting until the All Out War arc ended.

I dropped the show a few times now, but this season was it for me.
It sucks dropping things that once used to be great...
They just market for the people who don't even read the comics except for one or two issues when a movie comes out...

Marvel is quite right if they decide to stop publishing the FF comics for any amount of time. The comics give the movies free advertisemnt, but NEVER do the movies ever give the comics and advertisement except for the Marvel Logo.

Yet the comics go so far out of the way to piss off long time readers to change things to how they are portrayed in the movies.

Spider-Man - Organics
Fury - Sam Jackson in 616
X-Men - Black Leather
 
There's a rumor going around that the end of Hickman's Avengers run is going to deal with the Incursion plot from New Avengers being the one that destroys the 616 as we know it and leads to a complete reboot of the Marvel Universe.

If they do that then that will be the end of me as a comics reader. :down

You and me both sir, you and me both.
With the latest issue of The Walking Dead, I dropped that book.
I was waiting until the All Out War arc ended.

I dropped the show a few times now, but this season was it for me.
It sucks dropping things that once used to be great...
They just market for the people who don't even read the comics except for one or two issues when a movie comes out...

Marvel is quite right if they decide to stop publishing the FF comics for any amount of time. The comics give the movies free advertisemnt, but NEVER do the movies ever give the comics and advertisement except for the Marvel Logo.

Yet the comics go so far out of the way to piss off long time readers to change things to how they are portrayed in the movies.

Spider-Man - Organics
Fury - Sam Jackson in 616
X-Men - Black Leather

me three...
 
About my earlier point:
This is the closest right now we have to an official cancellation of The Fantastic Four for the time being:

There has been a lot of talk in the industry this week about the possible future of "Fantastic Four." Last week, CBR published a report saying the books may be taken off the table stemming from issues with 20th Century Fox, who hold the rights to FF films, following an initial report by Bleeding Cool. What can you can say on the record about the matter?
Alonso: The Fantastic Four -- Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben -- are a vital part of the Marvel Universe, and we have no plans to change that. James Robinson has exciting plans for them in the immediate future -- starting with the "Original Sin" tie-in story -- and we are continually devising plans to use them in new and surprising ways in the vast landscape of the Marvel Universe, like we do with any Marvel character; in fact, we already know that one of [the FF] will be a huge player in a universe-spanning event down the road.
Part of Marvel's success hinges on the fact that we aren't afraid to exercise massive flexibility with our catalog of characters. Sometimes, the way we move the pieces around on the board -- the death and/or replacement of a character, the dissolution and/or reconstitution of a team -- or our choice of characters to spotlight -- Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova, Inhumans -- causes controversy, but that doesn't inhibit us from taking chances and doing what we think is right for our universe and the characters within it. Wolverine and Spider-Man joining the Avengers was a hugely controversial move that ultimately contributed to the revitalization of that franchise and to the Marvel Universe as a whole. The death of Ultimate Peter Parker got a lot of fans screaming, but it resulted in the birth of the now-beloved Miles Morales. No guts, no glory.
 
A Marvel reboot would be the end for me as well. :dry:
 
I'd be happy with a full scale reboot. As a 90's kid I never really got into 616, luckly I had Ultimate.

Why not just adapt a New 52 style reboot?
 
I'd be happy with a full scale reboot. As a 90's kid I never really got into 616, luckly I had Ultimate.

Why not just adapt a New 52 style reboot?
That is kinda of what they did with Spider-Man and you see how much of a headache that turned out to be.
We're still not sure what stories are still affected and unaffected.
The whole Baby May thing for one and all of that fallout!
 
I'd be happy with a full scale reboot. As a 90's kid I never really got into 616, luckly I had Ultimate.

Why not just adapt a New 52 style reboot?

The New 52 reboot did nothing for DC. It seems like most fans hate it.
 
I'd be happy with a full scale reboot. As a 90's kid I never really got into 616, luckly I had Ultimate.

Why not just adapt a New 52 style reboot?

If a person can't handle 50 years of established history, then said person should read something more suited to them... Like Thomas the Tank Engine or Winnie the Pooh...

Ultimate was a useless waste of creator talent, and hardly anything original came from that... Miles Morales being a great exception...

New 52 has done very little in my opinion, and has only done as well as ONE book and ONE character... Snyder's Batman.

And I don't need a new universe where I can cherry pick what happened and what hadn't... It's insulting to me as a long time reader.
 
I don't understand why established continuity is sooooo difficult with new readers...

I got into comics in the late 70's, and there was NO internet, NO specialty comics resources that I could check out, etc... ALL I had was little asterixes in the comics that I read that referenced older issues where I could find info on the story I read... And most times you could never find that older issue... But it didn't matter because writers of the day would give a brief recap so you would know what was going on... As a ten year old, I could figure stuff out, so why would that be difficult for ten year old in the 90's or a ten year old nowadays? With Wiki and other comic book sites, things would be much easier today

I guess young people today (and their misguided sense of entitlement) get to eat their pablum AND with a silver spoon.

I weep for the future.

:csad:
 
I don't understand why established continuity is sooooo difficult with new readers...

I got into comics in the late 70's, and there was NO internet, NO specialty comics resources that I could check out, etc... ALL I had was little asterixes in the comics that I read that referenced older issues where I could find info on the story I read... And most times you could never find that older issue... But it didn't matter because writers of the day would give a brief recap so you would know what was going on... As a ten year old, I could figure stuff out, so why would that be difficult for ten year old in the 90's or a ten year old nowadays? With Wiki and other comic book sites, things would be much easier today

I guess young people today (and their misguided sense of entitlement) get to eat their pablum AND with a silver spoon.

I weep for the future.


:csad:

ABSOLUTELY all that... I think the problem with some of today's younger readers is that theirs is an attitude of not wanting to hold to established continuity that was created and developed BEFORE they were born... it's either too much trouble or it's too far in the past for their minds to handle, comprehend and accept... I actually believe that some of the readers actually think that it either restricts or hinders to what THEY think could be good story possibilities...I really think that SOME of today's readers don't give a s**t about history and continuity and would rather just be handed to them an exciting and interesting storyline and established continuity is the LEAST important and critical thing or else be damned with it completely... THOSE are the kinds of readers today that I don't give much credit to or of having enough sense...


just MY opinion, y'unnerstand...
 
Because today's kids are ignorant, dumb and moronic.
They want everything now, now, now!
There is no Attention Span anymore.
 
I don't understand why established continuity is sooooo difficult with new readers...

I got into comics in the late 70's, and there was NO internet, NO specialty comics resources that I could check out, etc... ALL I had was little asterixes in the comics that I read that referenced older issues where I could find info on the story I read... And most times you could never find that older issue... But it didn't matter because writers of the day would give a brief recap so you would know what was going on... As a ten year old, I could figure stuff out, so why would that be difficult for ten year old in the 90's or a ten year old nowadays? With Wiki and other comic book sites, things would be much easier today

I guess young people today (and their misguided sense of entitlement) get to eat their pablum AND with a silver spoon.

I weep for the future.

:csad:

I think it's a lot of propaganda bulls**t that comes from the companies to justify their own agenda to boost sales.

Truth be told, it's not hard for someone to go to Wikipedia or Google something. Hell, Marvel has their own wiki page which is more or less the new, digital version of the Handbook to the Marvel Universe.
 
Good lord, the generalizations in this thread over a freakin' RUMOR.

Blame the "entitled" kids for horrendous decisions a company you've followed for 20,30, 40 years makes. :whatever:

But really, would a reboot be all that terrifying? Is it so insulting that Marvel/DC "negates" comics you're still going to have in your possession even if they lay down some new BS law of the land? Does that undo the experiences you have with the characters or something? :huh: Or that, you'll have to look at OTHER comics to continue exploring what drew you to them originally?

I could list a million reasons why the adaptations are bigger than the comic, but please look no further than the lazy storytelling that have wiped over the comic book medium, particularly with the big two. Don't know what to do with a character? Eh, kill them. It's not like someone could do better anyway. Hulk has a new movie coming this summer? :wow: Let's make a big COMPANY WIDE EVENT to begin right after this last COMPANY WIDE EVENT with even bigger plotholes, mischaracterizations, and castrating of unrelated comics to be tied into it to really milk it dry. We'll get so many new readers that way!

"Normies" don't naturally gravitate to the comics because they suck. Creators are beyond fickle and at this point would retcon comic Ultron if AOU is as successful as its predecessor. Most interesting titles with interesting creators rarely last it seems (or struggle to hold readership), and for all the *****ing longtime fans have for double shipping of bad titles, or that a writer doesn't do Spider-Man the way that individual read him as a kid, those "substandard" comics seem to do the best business. Who's buying them? I hardly doubt it's super new fans, or at least as a fair majority. And even if they are, well, Marvel is doing what they set out to do right? It's not screwing over the older fans if they make it as apparent as they have. :huh:

I can't roll my eyes hard enough when I hear someone say they're done comics if so and so happens. There's been plenty of last straws, THIS is what's going to do it for you? Sure. :oldrazz: I can't tell why some fans stick with companies/titles they always rag. It's a simple dropping of the one thing you don't like for something you do. Being a collector or trying to prove your worth as fan who doesn't quit a character is beyond asinine when you're playing with your own money. Whatever the case, Marvel's taken desperate moves for a while, so don't act like another grab for cash is so revolting.
 
But you'll take the time to make a comment on it. :huh: Don't worry, you'd just resort to the blame game again even if you did. :o
 
If a person can't handle 50 years of established history, then said person should read something more suited to them... Like Thomas the Tank Engine or Winnie the Pooh...

Ultimate was a useless waste of creator talent, and hardly anything original came from that... Miles Morales being a great exception...

New 52 has done very little in my opinion, and has only done as well as ONE book and ONE character... Snyder's Batman.

And I don't need a new universe where I can cherry pick what happened and what hadn't... It's insulting to me as a long time reader.

Ultimate was original. It gave us new interpretations of characters and it also brought the character into the 21st Century. It's not supposed to be 100% new but a new take on the mythology. After 40 years of Spidey, a new universe that runs along with the original wqs the perfect compromise between new/potental fans and life long ones.

While I agree that Marvel shouldn't reboot 616 as Ultimate IMO serves the purpose of giving new readers a starting point better. Though I havn't been reading Spidey since the 1970's such as yourself so I personally wouldn't hate it if they did a full reboot.
 
I don't understand why established continuity is sooooo difficult with new readers...

I got into comics in the late 70's, and there was NO internet, NO specialty comics resources that I could check out, etc... ALL I had was little asterixes in the comics that I read that referenced older issues where I could find info on the story I read... And most times you could never find that older issue... But it didn't matter because writers of the day would give a brief recap so you would know what was going on... As a ten year old, I could figure stuff out, so why would that be difficult for ten year old in the 90's or a ten year old nowadays? With Wiki and other comic book sites, things would be much easier today

I guess young people today (and their misguided sense of entitlement) get to eat their pablum AND with a silver spoon.

I weep for the future.

:csad:

That, and also back in the early70's there were a bunch of reprint titles... Marvel Triple Action reprinted Avengers tales....Marvel's Greatest Comics reprinted the Fantastic Four. There was a Spidey one too, but for the life of me i can't remember what it was called. Marvel's Collector Item Classics covered all the other essential characters like Thor, Daredevil, Dr. Strange, etc.,...

Point being; No, the continuity was intriguing, not off-putting, and when we would see something from a past issue referenced we wanted to know more. So we sought those reprints out, where ever and whenever we could find them. Today, with the internet and trade paperbacks like those Essential volumes available, new fans have every opportunity to learn the character's histories... so i'm not really sure why Marvel and DC feel the need to stream line everything....
 
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Good lord, the generalizations in this thread over a freakin' RUMOR.

Blame the "entitled" kids for horrendous decisions a company you've followed for 20,30, 40 years makes. :whatever:

But really, would a reboot be all that terrifying? Is it so insulting that Marvel/DC "negates" comics you're still going to have in your possession even if they lay down some new BS law of the land? Does that undo the experiences you have with the characters or something? :huh: Or that, you'll have to look at OTHER comics to continue exploring what drew you to them originally?

I could list a million reasons why the adaptations are bigger than the comic, but please look no further than the lazy storytelling that have wiped over the comic book medium, particularly with the big two. Don't know what to do with a character? Eh, kill them. It's not like someone could do better anyway. Hulk has a new movie coming this summer? :wow: Let's make a big COMPANY WIDE EVENT to begin right after this last COMPANY WIDE EVENT with even bigger plotholes, mischaracterizations, and castrating of unrelated comics to be tied into it to really milk it dry. We'll get so many new readers that way!

"Normies" don't naturally gravitate to the comics because they suck. Creators are beyond fickle and at this point would retcon comic Ultron if AOU is as successful as its predecessor. Most interesting titles with interesting creators rarely last it seems (or struggle to hold readership), and for all the *****ing longtime fans have for double shipping of bad titles, or that a writer doesn't do Spider-Man the way that individual read him as a kid, those "substandard" comics seem to do the best business. Who's buying them? I hardly doubt it's super new fans, or at least as a fair majority. And even if they are, well, Marvel is doing what they set out to do right? It's not screwing over the older fans if they make it as apparent as they have. :huh:

I can't roll my eyes hard enough when I hear someone say they're done comics if so and so happens. There's been plenty of last straws, THIS is what's going to do it for you? Sure. :oldrazz: I can't tell why some fans stick with companies/titles they always rag. It's a simple dropping of the one thing you don't like for something you do. Being a collector or trying to prove your worth as fan who doesn't quit a character is beyond asinine when you're playing with your own money. Whatever the case, Marvel's taken desperate moves for a while, so don't act like another grab for cash is so revolting.

Generalize much yourself, pot? :whatever:

There's no need for a reboot. If there is, I'm finished with Marvel & I'll be sticking with my continuation of awesome indie books I still buy.

That's just me... Can't speak for others.

Thanks for coming out.

:yay:
 
So is this confirmed or rumor? No offense, but Kaine Morrison seems to make a lot of speculation that rarely comes to fruition.

I'm hoping it's not true. OMD was enough of a kick in the ass, but this would definitely make me stop reading period.
 
I wish they kept Superior Spidey for another year.
 
So is this confirmed or rumor? No offense, but Kaine Morrison seems to make a lot of speculation that rarely comes to fruition.

I'm hoping it's not true. OMD was enough of a kick in the ass, but this would definitely make me stop reading period.
I'm usually 50/50, just like others. The only one who really gets close almost every time is StillANerd. I'd like to hear his thoughts on this.

No, it is not confirmed, just speculation.
Am I not allowed to do that?
 

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