Batman series in suite of Burton’s interpretation?

[Japaneseman]

well since the movies were made or released I’m sure that Burton’s take on the characters and universe have largely influenced later comics and movies or franchise attempts but do you think a modern inspired interpretation of the character largely influenced by Burton’s take would work but in with more modern touches?

I was just gihnking it would be kind of interesting but I wonder if it would be pointless. There’s some things or themes about Burton’s version which seem quite unique that you don’t altogether see in many other places. I love the old school gangster villxanx and the over the top gothic, surreal take on the criminal elements as well as the real life implications on the large capitalist business barons and how industrial and gothic Gotham looks in the films I find it all quite unique. I feel like in Burton’s films they channel a kind of osthefwordly spellbinding theme whilst utilizing silent film era directing or filmography and a kind of noir detective style from the past so well which I find really interesting. I know this is also because they were inspired quite heavily from the original depictions of the characters first debut in the 1930s and thus whilst it’s not originally intended as a period film, has this kind of gritty style from that period as well.

I just wonder if others think it would work at all or what more it would look like. One thing I like is how Batman quite often played dead in the films whenever he was shot to kind of make his enemies suspect he is supernatural or some such thing. There’s also a weird kind of Indiana Jones old school type adventure element too, like from old movies and serial books from long ago.

Would the characterization and stories not hold up if they were portrayed in a more in depth way? Part of the appeal back then was the mystery surrounding the characters and world. That being said, I almost think the storylines are quite novel and interesting, even in comparison to more recent portrayals in the films or comics.

 

[Japaneseman]

Some interesting things I’ve noticed symbolically or otherwise in the films, mostly the first one. I think the quote “Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight” I think ties together elements of the criminal element with other aspects of Gotham, typically the law abiding citizens and denizens who respect the law and carry on with their daily affairs and the less represented or darker underbelly lurking just underneath. I think that this quote reprints Batman’s mission and attempt to rectify the more civil and criminal worlds together. As he departs and continues on his crusade against crime he journeys deeper and deeper into a repsensational kind of night are only criminals are familiar with as he moves further and further from the regularly law abiding side of society. As he moves forward he encounters and is faced with all these underlining aspects that make of the other half of the world and it is dually mysterious and kind of untamed.

I think thst Gothsm acts as a tittular character in and of itself which I find quite refreshing and interesting. It approaches and tackles issues which are socio-political in nature and not just nefarious illegal activities but very much condoned and overlooked activists which turn regular citizens into almost kinds of monsters pushed to acts of deprivation and despair that they would not normally turn to.

The chatsacters and villains are almost portrayed with a kind of multi dminensional and humanizing aspect, not just black and white “evil”villains but characters who have depth to them and very much portrays the reasons and events or circumstances which make these larger then life characters who they are. In the movie you have shown characters who,struggle with their own self e set of alienation all but socials nd psychological as they develop alter-egos who attempt to grapple with the societal conditioned personals and masks they wear in regular daily life to the repressed and more shameful or secret emotions and frustrations underneath. There’s an emotional aspect that I very much loved about these films as a result originating from aspects like these in the films.

I loved,the graphic over the top industrial Art Deco in the city even though it is very much over the top calling to mind such films as ‘Metropolis,’ with the city itself being an almost mechanical machine in nature itself, with all kinds of levels, buttons and pullies being seemingly featured all over Gotham itself which makes you wonder if they even do anything really important and almost exist for monotony and repetition itself, or some such pursuit, a seemingly endless array of such devices as if the entire city is one large monolithic and seemingly endless mechanization to be toiled and exhausted over in an attempt to produce an endless supply of goods and products to be consumed.

To which I imagine characters like the Joker/Jack Napier were quite aware of in their foray or endeavours. I love how the apparent finiancial woe and dispar is tackled with in Gothsm as well, you get a general sense of,this overwhelming sense of hopelessness prevails much of the denizens of Gotham captures quite well in the mayors naivity and hopeless optimism to attract more capitalist back to the city with an overly extravagant and priced parade the joker itself later capitalized on and commandeers for his own expenses.

Bruce Wayne is similarly portrayed as a bit of a idiosyncratic and eccentric billionaire loner, who has a tendency for absent mindedness, a trait or tendency I liked a little bit since generally he’s own characterized as such a Betty sue. You get this sense of loneliness as he lives in an old and oversized mansion by himself that lacks any kind of personal touches that with a family or typical trappings of normal individual would have. It’s a bit old and stuffy, which really give you some clues as Bruce’s own inner mental or psychological state himself. It’s quite telling and strange really.

 

[hellblazer103]

I wouldn't mind something done with the gothic architecture of Burton's films combined with the more serious tone of Nolan's films. I loved the way Batman Returns looked, but it was still just too quirky/goofy at times to be taken seriously.

 

[Japaneseman]

That’s what I liked about them I don’t really think goofy, but they had a certain aspect or quality the other portrayals dont really. I feel like now they try too hard to be taken seriously they almost come across like run of the cops or forensic movies and television shows. The city of Gotham was shown with so much personality it was almost like it’s own character itself. The movies had a right mix of evil diabolical plans by villains whilst still having some grounded socio-political commentary that was relevant or at least interesting. Some of it was goofy but I think it was an attempt to satiate and please big budget audiences. Like the plots for the villains are way more exciting and interesting then Nolan’s films in my opinion. The magnetic microwave emitter or whatever it was so serious geesh, not enough goofball imho. The penguin runnning as a sleazy corrupt politician was hilarious and entertaining I think. Plus even the henchmen has personality you actually kind of felt for them at least I did. I felt sad for all the villains even though I likewise thought they were criminals and was equally peplexed by this. Max Shrek was seriously the real villain at the end or finale of the movie, I felt no remorse for him.

I wouldn't mind something done with the gothic architecture of Burton's filmmakers s combined with the more serious tone of Nolan's films. I loved the way Batman Returns looked, but it was still just too quirky/goofy at times to be taken seriously.

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[hellblazer103]

That was because they were more in line with comics that were on the gritty/serious side ala Dark Knight Returns, Batman : Year One, Arkham Asylum, a majority of modern day stories from a while before Nolan's series started up to now if I recall, etc. etc. etc. Personally, I say leave the goofball **** for things actually meant to be campy like the 60's series, Brave And The Bold,etc. If you're gonna go dark, go dark . Because Batman and the world around him can definitely go there....


And Batman Returns definitely LOOKED beautiful. It was delightfully twisted and I still find it entertaining for the same reasons you do. But it's so much more tonally inconsistent than 89, and that movie had Joker dancing around shaking his bum like a buffon. One moment Catwoman's slicing a man's face up, the next Penguin is making some gross weird innuendo and squeezing a rubber ducky or some **** lol. Like what the hell are y'all trying to go for here ... That's sort of a problem I had with the show Gotham for a while as well as it pretty much had the feel of all the live action films rolled up into one for a while, but lately it's seemed to have found it's own tone.


And just because Nolan's films had a more consistently serious tone doesn't make them humorless. Each film had more than a few more tongue-in-cheek lines from Alfred, Lucius or whoever, and TDK naturally had the twisted humor of The Joker as well.