Although B'89 and Returns could not be considered direct sequels, the character evolution of Bruce Wayne/Batman is quite apparent in both films. Although Burton was never able to finish his trilogy, it is quite obvious from both films that Burton is making a social commentary on the character traits of Batman. For arguments sake, I will include Forever in this discussion because I think it has signifigance in the trilogy. My question is to those who viewed the films, what were your thoughts on the evolution of the Batman character. There is an obvious transformation from both films, key scenes which signify a change in the character. I just wanted to get your thoughts on the overall evolution of the character and what it meant for the movies. What do you believe Burton's final vision of The Batman character was or would be? I have heard that after Kilmer read the script and noted the importance of the word "Forever" that they changed the title to Batman Forever, and even though it's Schumacher, I still find the name a very fitting. Although, each film in the trilogy wasn't neccesarily a direct sequel to the previous film, it is still safe to say that the evolution of the Batman character, which I believe is at the heart of the trilogy, is the driving force behind the films. With that being said, do you think Burton would have resolved the conflict Batman encountered with himself at the end of Returns. "I am both Bruce Wayne and Batman, not because I have to be, but becasue I choose to be." I find that a very prophetic line when you consider the circumstances of the previous films. But would that have been the correct path to choose, would Burton have gone that direction? Batman Forever is a very symbolic term when considering the character analysis of the first two films, although it was not done by Burton (rather Schumacher.) I think if Burton would have been able to create a third and final film of the Batman trilogy, it would have led to some great insight into the fate of the Batman character. His thoughts on his own mortality, his own purpose, his own sense of self, the loss of Selina and if Batman was truly doomed or he would find a rekindled hope and become Batman Forever. Any thoughts on the subject would be interesting. I think Burton's commentary on the Batman character through his movies are fascinating. From Burton's insights to vigilantism, to duality to revenge to despair really added weight to the movie character. Rather than B'89 and Returns being another A to B, straight line comic book film, they had weight and diversity and are a real treat to watch. Side Note: To those who hate Michael Keaton, Tim Burton, Danny Elfman, Batman Returns, Vicki Vale, the garbage bag in the alley way, the license plate of the car Knox drives, please don't post, you have the other 10,000 "I hate Michael Keaton because he wore a turtleneck sweater in 1988, Bruce Wayne would never wear a turtleneck sweater" threads. Batman in a literary form is different from Batman in a cinematic form. If you did not like the Batman movies, I don't think this is the best thread for you to post in. Thank you for your time.