Batman's Cowl Face

i always say that Keaton just looks more like batman...


i think it's the cowl...

i mean read joker's five way revenge or really any story from 70's or 80's & u see keaton
 
i always say that Keaton just looks more like batman...


i think it's the cowl...

i mean read joker's five way revenge or really any story from 70's or 80's & u see keaton
Absolutely.
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I also see Keaton in Killing Joke.
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The frown lines on the face, resembles Keaton.
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Absolutely.
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I also see Keaton in Killing Joke.
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The frown lines on the face, resembles Keaton.
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Exactly, eventhough Keaton was far from having that size of jaw, I don't think he actually needed that to look imposing..
 
Exactly, eventhough Keaton was far from having that size of jaw, I don't thik he actually needed that to look imposing..

Right. As Tim Burton said to Michael Uslan, "'A square jaw does not a Batman make.' And you know what, that’s hard for a comic book geek like me to swallow, but it was so utterly, utterly, true." - Michael Uslan.

"When they first represented him to me as the Batman, I was a little bit surprised and almost disappointed - originally. Michael (Keaton) doesn't have a big build, he doesn't have a strong, chiselled face, basically. Somehow, when he gets into that uniform, he becomes the Batman. He becomes swashbuckling, he has an air about him. The chin juts out another inch with that Bat-cowl he wears; he looks strong, he looks like Batman." - Bob Kane.
 
Michael Keaton looks NO MORE like a comic book Batman facially than Val Kilmer, Christian Bale, George Clooney, or even Adam West. If you have any sort of jaw, under a Batman mask ... you will look like a Batman from the comic book page. So as Michael Uslan also said, it's basically irrelevant who plays Batman. Batman the character and the costume does most of the acting for you. It's who plays and looks like Bruce Wayne that counts. And in that category, out of everyone ... Michael Keaton comes the least close to representing the character.

Also if you're going to quote Bob Kane, please don't ... because after each movie he hyped up every person to don the cape and cowl to be a better and better representation of his creation. So he either had a perpetually changing idea of his original creation, or he was in the business of selling ... which I believe to be the latter, cause he even gave Clooney the props for being the best Batman / Bruce Wayne before he passed.
 
Michael Keaton looks NO MORE like a comic book Batman facially than Val Kilmer, Christian Bale, George Clooney, or even Adam West.

that's bull****


just as was pointed out by the posted pics, Keaton's face looks just like the drawings from the neil adams era....

the others, they don't have those ALMOST EXACT facial features
 
that's bull****


just as was pointed out by the posted pics, Keaton's face looks just like the drawings from the neil adams era....

the others, they don't have those ALMOST EXACT facial features
But I'm not specifically refrencing a few pictures of from the Adams era. The character is much broader than that. You said Keaton just look more like Batman than anyone else, which is the only thing stated that is bull crap.

Because I mean what is exactly bull-ish about what I said?

I didn't say Keaton didn't look like Batman. In the cowl he looks like Batman. I just said no more than any of the other actors to put on the cowl. In fact George Clooney would probably look closest to Batman of the comics inside of the cowl. But the facts are it doesn't take much to look like Batman from the page. All you need is a chin. Every actor to put on the cowl could have a side by side picture with a Batman and look similar to any of the hundreds of Batman drawn over the years in the comics.

In the overall scheme of things, Keaton doesn't look "more like Batman" than any of the other actors. They all look like Batman in the cowl. You could look like Batman in the Batman costume.
 
yeah, but i just think it's interesting how the 70's gave us that potrayal & the 80's & 90's gave us neil adams batman STRAIGHT FROM THE PAGE w/ keaton....

kilmer could be adam's batman too, but not the other two
 
George Clooney couldn't? He's got a more defined jaw in the Adam's style then either Keaton or Kilmer.

The fact is you said Keaton looks more like Batman than any of the other actors, which couldn't be more chalked full of sh1t.

There is a resemblance to the imade of Adam's Batman with Keaton ... but you could fine comparison shots for any of the other actors. I mean really, it isn't difficult.

The real challenge is who looks more like the character of Bruce Wayne, when exposing all 100% of your face for comparison, as opposed to the 25% of your face being your chin in a damn cowl. haha

That's the point whoever is in the Bat cowl it really doesn't matter, cause they all look like Batman.
 
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Uhhh, yeah ... he resembled Neal Adams Batman more than basically any of the actors. But I could find some artists interpretation of the character in the comics that would match each actors face. So, as I said, Keaton looks no more like "Batman" than any of the other actors.
 
You know what really makes me laugh, Is the fact that when Keaton was annouced everyone had an ape**** about it...now it seems that most people like him better and I am almost sure that it's because he was the "first" and I just feel that, that is weak...

sorry just my two cents, you don't have to take it if you don't want it.
 
I remember as a kid I didn't like Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne because of his hairstyle fro he had going on in the movies and now I realize how 80s and 90s sometimes the movies reflect.

In terms of under the cowl, I like Keaton the best, but I think Bale has the best menacing face. I wouldn't want to meet either one but Bale just has a huge intimidation pissed off factor about him.
 
Michael Keaton looks NO MORE like a comic book Batman facially than Val Kilmer, Christian Bale, George Clooney, or even Adam West. If you have any sort of jaw, under a Batman mask ... you will look like a Batman from the comic book page. So as Michael Uslan also said, it's basically irrelevant who plays Batman. Batman the character and the costume does most of the acting for you. It's who plays and looks like Bruce Wayne that counts.

Bruce Wayne is just a mask. "Bruce Wayne died when his parents got blown away." - Frank Miller. It's Batman that really counts.

And in that category, out of everyone ... Michael Keaton comes the least close to representing the character.
Michael Keaton is a great character actor and represented the Bruce Wayne role well. Michael Keaton was great at contrasting the character from the laid back, joking and unassuming public Bruce Wayne to his dark and brooding Batman. Bale also contrasted between the public Bruce Wayne role to the dark brooding Batman well.

Also if you're going to quote Bob Kane, please don't ... because after each movie he hyped up every person to don the cape and cowl to be a better and better representation of his creation. So he either had a perpetually changing idea of his original creation, or he was in the business of selling ... which I believe to be the latter, cause he even gave Clooney the props for being the best Batman / Bruce Wayne before he passed.
Bob Kane's opinion did not change. Bob Kane said Keaton transformers with that cowl on and had that Batman air about him, Kilmer and Clooney looked like his comic book Bruce Wayne. "When they first represented him to me as the Batman, I was a little bit surprised and almost disappointed - originally. Michael (Keaton) doesn't have a big build, he doesn't have a strong, chiselled face, basically. Somehow, when he gets into that uniform, he becomes the Batman. He becomes swashbuckling, he has an air about him. The chin juts out another inch with that Bat-cowl he wears; he looks strong, he looks like Batman." Bob Kane stated that he felt Val Kilmer looked great as Bruce Wayne because "Val Kilmer has a strong chin and is tall, dark and handsome." Bob Kane stated that Clooney "looked the most like my comic book Bruce Wayne. He has the squarest jaw. Looked the most elegant and suave and handsome as Bruce Wayne." Kane said, "I personally like the dark, brooding Batman better. And in the first year, before Robin, Batman was a lone vigilante, dark and mysterious - like the two [Burton] movies. So if I had a choice, I like the dark mood - although I like the campy TV show, I thought it was great fun. And still is. It was a marvelous spoof, but certainly wasn't the definitive Batman. There are parts of the first movie that I like better, and parts of Batman Returns (1992) I like better. Tim Burton has a very film noir look to his films, they look different to any other film by any other director. They almost look like German expressionism. He gets a certain look that no other director has. He was once an animator, as I was, and he's visionary, he understands the frame, what looks good on the screen."
 
Uhhh, yeah ... he resembled Neal Adams Batman more than basically any of the actors.

No, Clooney has a wider jaw and wholesome baby faced cheeks like the '50s era Sheldon Moldoff Batman comics, Neal Adams depiction of Batman has a leaner thinner smaller jaw, frowns, and has a lot of lines on his face like Keaton.
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And I see Oldman and Bale in David Mazzucchelli's Batman: Year One and Lee Bermejo's Batman/Deathblow.
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But I could find some artists interpretation of the character in the comics that would match each actors face.

Exactly. Over the years there have been radically different interpretations, different versions of Batman in the comics. I see Kilmer and Clooney in the '50s Sheldon Moldoff Batman comics and I see West and Ward in the '60s Carmine Infantino Batman comics. And Keaton in the '70s Neal Adams Batman comics and '80s and '90s Neal Adams-esque Brian Bolland Batman comics, and Bale in David Mazzucchelli's Batman: Year One and Lee Bermejo's Batman/Deathblow.
So, as I said, Keaton looks no more like "Batman" than any of the other actors.

Keaton looks more Neal Adams-esque Batman than any of the other actors. Neal Adams defined Batman for that era and set the standard that many artists followed.
 
I remember as a kid I didn't like Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne because of his hairstyle fro he had going on in the movies and now I realize how 80s and 90s sometimes the movies reflect.

Yeah, I guess Keaton's fro was a bit much.
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In terms of under the cowl, I like Keaton the best, but I think Bale has the best menacing face. I wouldn't want to meet either one but Bale just has a huge intimidation pissed off factor about him.

Yeah. Both Keaton and Bale have the intimidation factor down, which is the whole point of dressing up like a bat.
 
gotta go with Bale, then Keaton. Bale just seems more badass and eager to **** somebody up.
 
You know what really makes me laugh, Is the fact that when Keaton was annouced everyone had an ape**** about it...now it seems that most people like him better and I am almost sure that it's because he was the "first" and I just feel that, that is weak...

sorry just my two cents, you don't have to take it if you don't want it.
Basically. Or it's the nostalgia of it all ... or the fact that Christian Bale has become the uniformed popular choice as the best Bruce Wayne / Batman from most hardcore fans and even now the general public. And you know the counter culture association with alot of comic fans where anything that is percieved as mainstream has to be bucked at in order to be different or "unique."

Hell, I remember just back to 2003 / 2003 where everyone was dying for a better take on the character and someone who could even surpass Keaton. Then EVERYONE loved Bale, now you get the rising riptide of people trying to be different for the sake of it.

There are few people that had stuck with Keaton as their favorite from the begining till now.

:whatever:
 
Keaton looks more Neal Adams-esque Batman than any of the other actors. Neal Adams defined Batman for that era and set the standard that many artists followed.
I agree with everything except for this. Clooney clearly has an exact replica face of the Adams drawn Batman. Clooney has the same exact jaw structure, almost to a replica form. I mean just look at it. How one could get more Michael Keaton out of Adams Batman then Clooney, I have no idea. Keaton's lips throw everything off. Adam's Batman has the lips of Clooney. Keaton's are like a male version of Angelina Jolie.

Oh yeah, I see more of Bale's Batman in Tim Sale's Batman than the one from Year One.
 
Batman is one thing, but the actor who looks most like Bruce Wayne is undoubtedly Adam West...

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Batman is one thing, but the actor who looks most like Bruce Wayne is undoubtedly Adam West...

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undoubtedly. But I think a lot of people will deny it. You can't "proof" such things. And on the other hand they will argue that Bale LOOKED most like Bruce Wayne, while I say he doesn't look like him at all. Or - well yes - somehow he does (like: both are caucasian).
 
Bruce Wayne is just a mask. "Bruce Wayne died when his parents got blown away." - Frank Miller. It's Batman that really counts.

Eh. With that logic Bruce Wayne could be played by a donkey as long as it would look like Batman when it wears the costume?!

Well, and "Bruce Wayne died" is just one interpretation. That's the modern one, Batman just thinks of himself as "Batman". But especially in the 70s, the stories you seem to like so much, looking at the pictures you posted, it was always more like "Bruce Wayne needs his costume to transform into Batman" (influenced by the Marvel way).
 
Okay so here's my theory.

The costumes vary too much to really say who looks the most bad ass, because truth of the matter is, Keaton looks SO awesome in 89 and Returns because the costumes are just uber cool.
So here's my challenge to one of you talented people, could someone possibly manip some shots of each costume, with different actors under the masks? I think that could lay some of the debate to rest.



Btw, to me, Clooney looks too.... "wholesome" or something, under the mask, he has this little smirk or something that just doesn't quite fit. I mean, I'm not even too disgusted by the blue costume, but for some reason I just don't like the way he looks in the bat suit all around.

Could just be that one promo shot, though.

And also, whoever made mention of Keaton's "fro" as Wayne, I was also disappointed by that, maybe if he had a decent "business" hair cut or something he would have better represented Bruce.
 
Keaton looks more Neal Adams-esque Batman than any of the other actors. Neal Adams defined Batman for that era and set the standard that many artists followed.

No offence but I completly dissagree, Neal Adams Batman has a thiner an least square-ish jaw in comparision to other versions, but that doesn't mean Keaton looks like that, even if Keaton had a thin jaw he was FAR from having that chiseled aspect anyway. Neal Adam's Batman is clearly Kilmer to me, I really can't see how Keaton would be more Neal Adam's Batman than Kilmer..at least IMO.
 

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