Big Brother / Police can GPS your car without a warrant????????

[SentinelMind]

Unbelievable. This invasion of privacy should not be allowed.

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

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The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013150,00.html#ixzz0xiL3noTv
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[Dr. Evil]

I don't think people who park their cars in garages and then close the garage doors (like me) have to worry about that.

 

[mrvlknight21]

There are 2 separate issues here according to the article.

#1 The issue of police going onto a person's driveway to place the GPS device to track the car. This can easily be avoided by waiting on the car to go to a public place and then place the device (I have been on teams that were tracking individuals that did it this way). So, officers could avoid this aspect that is coming into question fairly easily.

#2 The fact that the GPS is being placed without any type of warrant. The article makes it seem that a government agent can simply place the GPS on the car without any real authority (i.e. search warrant). I realize this sounds very dangerous and like a serious violation of privacy and what would appear to be proper procedure. However (not agreeing with it, just pointing it out), with simply reasonable suspicion, actions such as this happen everyday. Example: an officer receives an anonymous tip that "Bob" is on Main Street selling drugs from a green Chevy. The officer then drives to Main Street, finds the Chevy and begins to monitor "Bob"s actions. I know, I know, we always need to question government's actions and maintain our freedoms. I dont disagree with that at all. What I am saying is that things similar to this happen often and it doesnt seem to raise the ire of the public like this. Also, I believe (call me naive), that police will NOT simply go around tacking GPS devices on random cars to track the drivers just because they are bored. Now, obviously they could make a mistake, it happens from time to time, but with something like this, they will likely realize the mistake quickly. Even in the article's example, it is stated that Pineda-Moreno was suspected of growing marijuana before they placed the device.

 

[Timstuff]

Can't you just do routine checks under your car for such devices? And if you find one and destroy it, they can't legally come after you, since they didn't have your permission to place it there in the first place. Your car is your property and if some cop goes and attaches junk to it without asking, they can't complain when you tamper with their crap since they were technically vandalizing your property without permission from you, the owner, or with the warrant of a judge.

I am not against tracking people who are potentially engaging in criminal activity-- however, the decision of who should be tracked should be made by a judge, not a cop or field agent. If this goes unchallenged then we're right back to the patriot act and more warrant-less spying on civilians. One of the things that Marx outlined in his manifesto was the siezure of transportation by the government, and even if the govt. can't take away everyone's cars, if they can track anyone's movement secretly and without warrant then it's essentially the same thing. They know where you are, and they can keep you from going anywhere they don't want you to.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Can't you just do routine checks under your car for such devices? And if you find one and destroy it, they can't legally come after you, since they didn't have your permission to place it there in the first place. Your car is your property and if some cop goes and attaches junk to it without asking, they can't complain when you tamper with their crap since they were technically vandalizing your property without permission from you, the owner, or with the warrant of a judge.

I am not against tracking people who are potentially engaging in criminal activity-- however, the decision of who should be tracked should be made by a judge, not a cop or field agent. If this goes unchallenged then we're right back to the patriot act and more warrant-less spying on civilians. One of the things that Marx outlined in his manifesto was the siezure of transportation by the government, and even if the govt. can't take away everyone's cars, if they can track anyone's movement secretly and without warrant then it's essentially the same thing. They know where you are, and they can keep you from going anywhere they don't want you to.

You are correct, if you were to find a device attached to your car, there is no issue with trashing it. Although I disagree with some of the terminology that you used, you are correct about destroying it if you find it.

 

[C. Lee]

If they tracked me...they would be bored.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If they tracked me...they would be bored.

Same here.

 

[Pink Ranger]

If they tracked me...they would be bored.

I don't know man: do we really want the feds knowing that we show up at comic stores on Wednesdays at 10:55 am and actually hang around outside to wait for them to open?

 

[Heretic]

In addition to what was posted before...the ruling stated that if someone had a gated residence or some other expensive system, then they DID have a reasonable expectation of privacy...meaning that according to the court...your constitutional rights depend on how much money you have.

I'm not pleased with yet another erosion of our rights.

 

[Kelly]

They can GPS me all they want.....


They will see a woman with 2 dogs in her car most of the time.

Hell, I'll give them my itinerary....lol It's pretty much the same everyday.

 

[Timstuff]

In addition to what was posted before...the ruling stated that if someone had a gated residence or some other expensive system, then they DID have a reasonable expectation of privacy...meaning that according to the court...your constitutional rights depend on how much money you have.

I'm not pleased with yet another erosion of our rights.

That is MAJORLY ******ed. So I guess that the only people who have a right to privacy are the ones who can afford a garage or a gate. This seriously needs to go to a higher court, it's total BS.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

GPS'ing your car is not as bad as this totalitarian law.

 

[Timstuff]

Even if he loses his case he should appeal it. 16 years is absurd, especially considering that the charge is BS. We seriously need to do something about the corruption in our police forces when stuff like this is happening (not to mention the brutality cases).

 

[Marx]

They would be very bored if they tracked me. That being said, I think it is ridiculous that this can be done without a warrant. It is an invasion of privacy plain and simple.

 

[Dr. Evil]

They would be very bored if they tracked me. That being said, I think it is ridiculous that this can be done without a warrant. It is an invasion of privacy plain and simple.

It's not going to happen. If this was to happen, it would be abandoned immediately as a "waste of police money" due to the fact that 90% of the people they track would end up being a whole lot of nothing. Police would be bored out of their minds tracking someone who's routine is:

- Sleep
- Work
- going out someplace that is legal (I.E Restaurant/Shopping)
- Picking kids up from school (if they have any kids) or going to school (if they are going to school and working)
- Stuff at home such as preparing dinner, a nap, doing yard work, cleaning in the house.

And that's like a large majority of the people. Now why would the police do that if they know if its going to end up with two undercover officers parking across the street being bored out of their minds? They will probably end up doing that to people they suspect are doing illegal activities and not you or I. It would be a huge waste of police money if they followed regular people around and end up getting bored silly because of it.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Unbelievable. This invasion of privacy should not be allowed.

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

​

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013150,00.html#ixzz0xiL3noTv
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This isn't news. RFID tags have been used by the FBI and law enforcement for years. It won't be long until RFID tags are implanted in humans so they can be ID'd and tracked better.

Since cell phones are glorified radio transmitters, it's possible for the government to turn on your phone's microphone remotely and eavesdrop on your conversations using a simple software remotely downloaded by your provider.

Welcome to the new privacy status quo people.

 

[SentinelMind]

It's not going to happen. If this was to happen, it would be abandoned immediately as a "waste of police money" due to the fact that 90% of the people they track would end up being a whole lot of nothing. Police would be bored out of their minds tracking someone who's routine is:

- Sleep
- Work
- going out someplace that is legal (I.E Restaurant/Shopping)
- Picking kids up from school (if they have any kids) or going to school (if they are going to school and working)
- Stuff at home such as preparing dinner, a nap, doing yard work, cleaning in the house.

And that's like a large majority of the people. Now why would the police do that if they know if its going to end up with two undercover officers parking across the street being bored out of their minds? They will probably end up doing that to people they suspect are doing illegal activities and not you or I. It would be a huge waste of police money if they followed regular people around and end up getting bored silly because of it.

Most people would probably seem boring, but if a cop has a vendetta against someone specifically it wouldn't be hard to catch them doing something minor like speeding.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Giant weapons maker becomes Big Brother

Lockheed Martin doesn't actually run the United States government, but sometimes it seems as if it might as well. After all, it received US$36 billion in government contracts in 2008 alone, more than any company in history. It now does work for more than two dozen government agencies...It's moved beyond anything usually associated with a weapons corporation and has been virtually running its own foreign policy, doing everything from hiring interrogators for US overseas prisons (including at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and Abu Ghraib in Iraq) to managing a private intelligence network in Pakistan and helping write the Afghan constitution.

Read more about Stark-..err Lockheed-Martin here:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MA14Ak02.html