Black FL Man Supports Confederacy by Protesting Union Monument

[Octoberist]

I can always count on Florida!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm not sure where this idea that Lincoln only freed the slaves in the South came from. Lincoln was vital in getting the 13th Amendment proposed by Congress and signed it personally on February 1, 1865.

I can only guess that people get the outlaw of slavery in the United States confused with the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, a temporary war measure of questionable legality.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Civil War wasn't primarily about slavery. That was only one part of a much larger issue going on at the time but it ended up becoming the poster child for the war later on. To get really simplistic about it, the Civil War was about states rights, the economy being more favorable to Northern states and cultural differences. Slavery played a part in it all but it wasn't the central theme.

The 5 Myths Why The South Seceded:

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/07/AR2011010706547.html

 

[Teelie]

I did say it was complicated and I over-simplified it. There are also opposing opinions to just what exactly perciptated it. History has been clouded many times over with revisionist takes.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No revisionism is needed.

Just read the “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".

Those who seceded wrote down their reasons so there wouldn't be any confusion in the future.

 

[Teelie]

And yet we're still seeing this debated to this day. You're referring to the last straw, not the entire bale of hay.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And yet we're still seeing this debated to this day. You're referring to the last straw, not the entire bale of hay.

How is it a "straw"???

It's THE historical document where those who seceded gave their exact reasons for seceding.

It's like calling The Declaration of Independence a "last straw".

People endlessly debate the reasons for the civil war because pro-confederates refuse to acknowledge the “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".

Again how obvious do you have to get? It's states the reasons FOR secession BY the secessionists RIGHT BEFORE they seceded.

 

[Teelie]

So there was nothing preciptating this build up? No lead up to this? Are you really going to say that the previous decades of strife between the states, the government, the economics, the social issues, all of it is meaningless because South Carolina wrote some paper saying they were leaving?

And the Declaration, also a last straw. Again, it wasn't just done on a whim or over some flimsy thing like tea taxes.

These wars take years to build up to. Just because a piece of paper set them off does not mean they were the sole reason behind them.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The expansion of slavery was a major issue for 60 years or more, but the South always had power in the federal government. In 1860, the anti-slavery Republicans won control of the White House without winning a single southern county. The Deep South saw the writing on the wall and bailed.

 

[kane9321]

this ni%$ga lost his mind..he needs his ass beat