BLM Protests Across The World

[CaptainWagner]

Well, I guess it's all over then. Glad he is now free to walk out of the hospital. Oh wait...

Upon looking further, it looks like the charges are still there, he just paid bail and so was "released." I'm interested to see what exactly the charge turns out to be. I saw Right-Wingers were calling it everything from rape to pedophilia early on, these articles just refer to a "domestic dispute." Not that it changes judgement of the shooting at all, I'm just curious to see how it affects the opposing narrative.

 

[Schlosser85]

Snopes debunked the child rape accusation.

 

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[KRYPTON INC.]

He drove across state lines with a weapon to "protect property", knowing if he was called to action he'd be shooting another human being. 17 or not, this is a bad take.

Did I stuuter an excuse for him exactly Darth?

Ultimately I state he AND his mother made a choice.

And I hope that, frankly, both he and she face the consequences of that choice. A choice which I again say is based on the bovine excrement put out by the Right Wing echo chamber. A choice to uncritically ascent to Romanticized Reactionary Fantasia and Paranoia.


But I'm sorry if it's a "bad take" too also state the reality that he is a 17 year old teen. And that neither you, I or any other person when we were that age had any ****ing clue about any ****ing thing, much less a real sanguine and cleared eyed view of politics and society, no matter how good of a student one was in high school.

Here's an uncomfortable truth, and take it from someone whom you know has repeatedly talked about how my current take on the GOP and conservatives in general and of Trump supporters in particular is to reference the final scene of Inglorious Basterds... There are "victims" among those that many would call oppressors. Shocking. But they have a humanity... And humanity does have a deep and abiding darkness sure. But many are set on their course because of family, friends, environment what have you. Those have gigantic gravitational pulls on people when it comes to forming who they are and what they believe. Some, if they find those things to be negative, can make the effort to break those ties or move beyond how they were raised. You'll be hard pressed to find many aged 17 that are equipped to do that intellectually must less on an emotional level.

I am not saying to forget the people he shot. Or to excuse his mother's apparent approval of and aiding in bringing him someplace where he was armed and put in harm's way. I'm not saying I wouldn't throw the book at him and his mother if I could.

But no matter our own outrage (The thing those on the Left continually counsel the Right about...) there is a reality where it can be viewed that this dumb **** teen (Please see my post in the Racism thread for more...) and all the potential of his life is a victim of the Racial Psycho-drama of this country as well.

I've not asked for parity of sympathy have I? Did I say that the tragic outcome here is the same ass the police shootings that have inspired all the protest and unrest?

Right now, and I get why, believe me, we all wanna make this kid Dylan Roof. And his three victims and their families for sure don't want to hear anything about having sympathy for him. But I don't see him as Dylan Roof. As of right now... I don't see a monster who was fated by birth to be a raging racist fascist enabler. That's exactly what makes it tragic on all sides.

One person in the hospital, two dead and all at the hands of a 17 year old whose future should have been better protected by his family in the form of his mother and by the state frankly, because local law enforcement was fine with the "militias" on the street.

 

[Schlosser85]

Yours is not a bad take, @KRYPTON INC. , it is a refreshingly well thought out, balanced, and nuanced perspective.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Did I stuuter an excuse for him exactly Darth?

Ultimately I state he AND his mother made a choice.

And I hope that, frankly, both he and she face the consequences of that choice. A choice which I again say is based on the bovine excrement put out by the Right Wing echo chamber. A choice to uncritically ascent to Romanticized Reactionary Fantasia and Paranoia.


But I'm sorry if it's a "bad take" too also state the reality that he is a 17 year old teen. And that neither you, I or any other person when we were that age had any ****ing clue about any ****ing thing, much less a real sanguine and cleared eyed view of politics and society, no matter how good of a student one was in high school.

Here's an uncomfortable truth, and take it from someone whom you know has repeatedly talked about how my current take on the GOP and conservatives in general and of Trump supporters in particular is to reference the final scene of Inglorious Basterds... There are "victims" among those that many would call oppressors. Shocking. But they have a humanity... And humanity does have a deep and abiding darkness sure. But many are set on their course because of family, friends, environment what have you. Those have gigantic gravitational pulls on people when it comes to forming who they are and what they believe. Some, if they find those things to be negative, can make the effort to break those ties or move beyond how they were raised. You'll be hard pressed to find many aged 17 that are equipped to do that intellectually must less on an emotional level.

I am not saying to forget the people he shot. Or to excuse his mother's apparent approval of and aiding in bringing him someplace where he was armed and put in harm's way. I'm not saying I wouldn't throw the book at him and his mother if I could.

But no matter our own outrage (The thing those on the Left continually counsel the Right about...) there is a reality where it can be viewed that this dumb **** teen (Please see my post in the Racism thread for more...) and all the potential of his life is a victim of the Racial Psycho-drama of this country as well.

I've not asked for parity of sympathy have I? Did I say that the tragic outcome here is the same ass the police shootings that have inspired all the protest and unrest?

Right now, and I get why, believe me, we all wanna make this kid Dylan Roof. And his three victims and their families for sure don't want to hear anything about having sympathy for him. But I don't see him as Dylan Roof. As of right now... I don't see a monster who was fated by birth to be a raging racist fascist enabler. That's exactly what makes it tragic on all sides.

One person in the hospital, two dead and all at the hands of a 17 year old whose future should have been better protected by his family in the form of his mother and by the state frankly, because local law enforcement was fine with the "militias" on the street.

I was a dumb 17 year old. I am still very dumb. Even at my dumbest, I would have never done what the little piece **** murderer did. You don't have to be Dylann Roof to be utter scum. I don't care if all of those people were chasing him down with weapons, the only reason this was an issue is he showed up with a gun looking to use it in the first place.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yours is not a bad take, @KRYPTON INC. , it is a refreshingly well thought out, balanced, and nuanced perspective.

Well you are cool with shooting looters so excuse me if I don't take this as a seal of approval.

 

[Sithborg]

Did I stuuter an excuse for him exactly Darth?

Ultimately I state he AND his mother made a choice.

And I hope that, frankly, both he and she face the consequences of that choice. A choice which I again say is based on the bovine excrement put out by the Right Wing echo chamber. A choice to uncritically ascent to Romanticized Reactionary Fantasia and Paranoia.


But I'm sorry if it's a "bad take" too also state the reality that he is a 17 year old teen. And that neither you, I or any other person when we were that age had any ****ing clue about any ****ing thing, much less a real sanguine and cleared eyed view of politics and society, no matter how good of a student one was in high school.

Here's an uncomfortable truth, and take it from someone whom you know has repeatedly talked about how my current take on the GOP and conservatives in general and of Trump supporters in particular is to reference the final scene of Inglorious Basterds... There are "victims" among those that many would call oppressors. Shocking. But they have a humanity... And humanity does have a deep and abiding darkness sure. But many are set on their course because of family, friends, environment what have you. Those have gigantic gravitational pulls on people when it comes to forming who they are and what they believe. Some, if they find those things to be negative, can make the effort to break those ties or move beyond how they were raised. You'll be hard pressed to find many aged 17 that are equipped to do that intellectually must less on an emotional level.

I am not saying to forget the people he shot. Or to excuse his mother's apparent approval of and aiding in bringing him someplace where he was armed and put in harm's way. I'm not saying I wouldn't throw the book at him and his mother if I could.

But no matter our own outrage (The thing those on the Left continually counsel the Right about...) there is a reality where it can be viewed that this dumb **** teen (Please see my post in the Racism thread for more...) and all the potential of his life is a victim of the Racial Psycho-drama of this country as well.

I've not asked for parity of sympathy have I? Did I say that the tragic outcome here is the same ass the police shootings that have inspired all the protest and unrest?

Right now, and I get why, believe me, we all wanna make this kid Dylan Roof. And his three victims and their families for sure don't want to hear anything about having sympathy for him. But I don't see him as Dylan Roof. As of right now... I don't see a monster who was fated by birth to be a raging racist fascist enabler. That's exactly what makes it tragic on all sides.

One person in the hospital, two dead and all at the hands of a 17 year old whose future should have been better protected by his family in the form of his mother and by the state frankly, because local law enforcement was fine with the "militias" on the street.

So, the Brock Turner defense? No one is calling for his lynching.

As for his future, what do you think the right wing lionization of him is going to result in.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was a dumb 17 year old. I am still very dumb. Even at my dumbest, I would have never done what the little piece **** murderer did. You don't have to be Dylann Roof to be utter scum. I don't care if all of those people were chasing him down with weapons, the only reason this was an issue is he showed up with a gun looking to use it in the first place.

Darth... You do you.

I'm confident and secure in my own Anti-Trump/Anti-Reactionary/Anti-Racist bona fides around here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, the Brock Turner defense? No one is calling for his lynching.

As for his future, what do you think the right wing lionization of him is going to result in.

Which is why I dismiss the victimization of the murderer in any form. That is the kind of stuff Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro do and it encourages these people as they get the idea that it's righteous. Not just fun to shoot protesters, but the right thing to do as well.

 

[Schlosser85]

Are we really trying to compare.....well, anyone here, considering no one currently engaged in this conversation is actually defending Rittenhouse, to Carlson and Shapiro?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Darth... You do you.

I'm confident and secure in my own Anti-Trump/Anti-Reactionary/Anti-Racist bona fides around here.

I'll remember this the next time you go on a rant about the left. Because we all know 2000 words on that on the back of a "nuanced" take on a Hitler youth really shows a nuanced understanding of America today.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's frankly pretty scuzzy to be insinuating the things that are being insinuated about Krypton.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are we really trying to compare.....well, anyone here, considering no one currently engaged in this conversation is actually defending Rittenhouse, to Carlson and Shapiro?

I don't think anyone here thinks they are aligned with those people, or even likes those people. But then I see people writing "nuanced" takes on a dude that drove miles looking to shoot someone worrying about their future prospects and others talking about how shooting looters is peachy keen, and the similarities to it strike me at my core.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'll remember this the next time you go on a rant about the left. Because we all know 2000 words on that on the back of a "nuanced" take on a Hitler youth really shows a nuanced understanding of America today.

You, and Libido, and Snow Queen, and I'm not saying this as a jab at you, but you're not the unimpeachable gatekeepers of progressivism.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So, the Brock Turner defense? No one is calling for his lynching.

As for his future, what do you think the right wing lionization of him is going to result in.

I don't know how what I stated is the equal to saying that because a jock is good at swimming he should be let off the hook for rape.

Point to where I stated he, his mother or the local PD shouldn't face consequences for this? Show me exactly where I said he, his mother, or LEOs were in the right here? Show me where I in this or the Racism thread didn't state how he was going to be viewed as a martyr by the Right? Where did I approve of that he would be lionized?

Did I state he was a hero?

I said he was a kid too dumb to know how dumb he was as all 17 year olds are to a T.

And I said that I don't think he's Dylan Roof. I don't think he went there for the express purpose to murder anyone, unlike Roof. But that is what happened.

I can think all of that without saying, as happened with Turner, that just because his life got flushed down the toilet by his actions doesn't mean he should not face charges etc. because he's young. Again... Can you point where I said anything about him requiring leniency? Because if you can't, I'm not sure where the Brock Turner comparison even starts as a criticism of what I wrote.

Here is a tragedy as I see it... The Reactionaries are willing to drop their own high school aged children who don't really have a clue about anything political or socially, armed, into the meat grinder of the nation's battle over its original sin of systemic racism.

I don't follow how observing any of this is at all like a Judge letting a sexual assaulter off the hook.

But as I said to Darth... You do you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's frankly pretty scuzzy to be insinuating the things that are being insinuated about Krypton.

KRYPTON is fantastic. But I am calling BS on the idea that there is any sympathy to be had here for someone whose intent was clear. He didn't travel all that way with a weapon because he didn't want to shoot someone. And while radicalization is a big issue, the problem here is how often such people are treated with a level of sympathy not afforded to others (not saying by KRYPTON), but they also do not deserve. We know what this kid did. Any idea that any circumstance can change that is ridiculous to me, because the only reason any of this happened is because he went down there with a gun, looking to shoot people, because that is one of the only two reasons a white male shows up to play militia. To make them feel like a man, and to shoot people.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's frankly pretty scuzzy to be insinuating the things that are being insinuated about Krypton.

I don't think anyone here thinks they are aligned with those people, or even likes those people.

KRYPTON is fantastic.

I wrote that before your first reply. If I was misunderstanding or reading too much into it, I apologize.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know how what I stated is the equal to saying that because a jock is good at swimming he should be let off the hook for rape.

Point to where I stated he, his mother or the local PD shouldn't face consequences for this? Show me exactly where I said he, his mother, or LEOs were in the right here? Show me where I in this or the Racism thread didn't state how he was going to be viewed as a martyr by the Right? Where did I approve of that he would be lionized?

Did I state he was a hero?

I said he was a kid too dumb to know how dumb he was as all 17 year olds are to a T.

And I said that I don't think he's Dylan Roof. I don't think he went there for the express purpose to murder anyone, unlike Roof. But that is what happened.

I can think all of that without saying, as happened with Turner, that just because his life got flushed down the toilet by his actions doesn't mean he should not face charges etc. because he's young. Again... Can you point where I said anything about him requiring leniency? Because if you can't, I'm not sure where the Brock Turner comparison even starts as a criticism of what I wrote.

Here is a tragedy as I see it... The Reactionaries are willing to drop their own high school aged children who don't really have a clue about anything political or socially, armed, into the meat grinder of the nation's battle over its original sin of systemic racism.

I don't follow how observing any of this is at all like a Judge letting a sexual assaulter off the hook.

But as I said to Darth... You do you.

Brock Turner did what he did because he felt entitled based on his place in society and a crappy job of raising him, and thus the defense presented by his family was that what he did was was technically not wrong and even if it was, it shouldn't ruin his entire life because it wasn't all his fault.

When you wrote about how a third life would affected by what happened this night I assumed you were talking about the third person who was shot. But then it turned into a thing about how this kid might have to actually do jail time for killing two people and almost killing a third. That's Brock Turner in a nutshell.

 

[Lily Adler]

Okay guys debate is fine, but again keep things civil. No mention of other people. No personal insults. No gaslighting. This is a discussion thread and debates can be healthy without resulting in such behavior. Continue on this path and infractions and bans will be administered.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Inside the WNBA-Kelly Loeffler stalemate: Will something give? Will somebody go?

 

[Schlosser85]

Hey, is Kelly Loeffler still under investigation for selling millions of dollars worth of stock after a classified briefing about COVID while publicly assuring her constituents everything was fine?

 

[InCali]

Sooooooooo.......here's my take on this. I may have a different opinion about the destruction of property during these protests than others and I may differ with people WRT why and when it might be justified, BUT I think all of us who support said protests need to understand we're on the same side. The protests are justified; not just legal or acceptable, but justified. We can disagree on tactics, self-policing, etc., but let's not forget about the basics.

K folks?

I've been listening to Chris Hayes and absolutely love his take on the protests in Kenosha. I think we need to keep our eyes on the prize. We need to have a rational, national (I love to say stuff like that) discussion about race, gender, socio-economic class, etc. Is that going to happen if Trump wins re-election in November? The answer is "No". Will we have it if Biden wins? Maybe. I'm going for maybe and taking it from there.

During these discussions and disagreements, the media is a constant underlying factor. I was lucky enough to teach a seminar on Mass Communications and the Media at UCSC and my reading has lead me to believe that our underlying economic infrastructure creates some unique challenges to having a truly informed society; folks, it's not getting any better. Sorry to sound like such a pinhead, but I kinda resemble that remark. I think a discussion about media in an advanced capitalist society would be an interesting thread and if I don't forget, I'm going to post one.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[Schlosser85]

A GoFundMe will clear that up in about five minutes, or the Mayor will get deserved flack and void it.