BLM Protests Across The World

[squeekness]

A taser is a deadly weapon too and can kill people. Why does the cop have to go for a weapon at all as their default option when the person doesn't present an immediate threat?

I recall somewhere that when a suspect goes back into a car the car itself is considered a deadly weapon, especially since the officers were so close. If he'd hit them he could have been charged with assault/ attempted murder.

 

[squeekness]

You see in most of these instances the guy basically doesn't "comply" but that's also a gray area when you see the army lieutenant that did and got sprayed for his trouble.

CNN reported that he hadn't pulled over right away, but then those cops were belligerent after, no chance to calm things down. When the guy kept asking why they had pulled him over the cop never said, he just demanded the guy get out. Why didn't the cop just answer the question? I just don't understand why things have to get so ugly so fast. Maybe it is because I'm white, but I see bits of culpability on both sides in both incidents.

 

[InCali]

CNN reported that he hadn't pulled over right away, but then those cops were belligerent after, no chance to calm things down. When the guy kept asking why they had pulled him over the cop never said, he just demanded the guy get out. Why didn't the cop just answer the question? I just don't understand why things have to get so ugly so fast. Maybe it is because I'm white, but I see bits of culpability on both sides in both incidents.

I can understand him not wanting to pull over in an isolated area. That's a response based on logic. One could call it a mistake, but I can at least understand it. Not so with the cops behavior.

 

[Zarex]

Looting and rioting from the left were repeatedly used as justification for January 6th. That's how dangerous it is.

I know a coup and police executing people is much worse but the reality is this is ultimately a propoganda war and looting and rioting is used effectively to discredit the left and slowly chip away at desperately needed margins in the House and Senate and also public approval for criminal justice reform.

We're facing fascism and the end of democracy and these morons are stealing junk from Dollar Tree so Trump and his cult have more ammo in this razor thin propaganda war.

I really hope those potato chips and captain crunch boxes are worth it.

A Democratic data scientist was fired for stating the obvious, that violent protests are a REALLY bad idea. I would estimate there will be at least a 5% knucklehead contingent to any peaceful protest that people of bad faith will use to discredit the message of the masses, and I am not sure what can be done to fix this. But I have no doubt that strife in Portland, Seattle, New York and other places people actually want to live got the folks residing in East Bumf**k, Flyover State, Murica clutching their pearls and voting for Trump.

By comparison, I would estimate the makeup of the January 6th seditionists to be approximately 100% knucklehead.

Remember When a Democratic Polling Firm Fired the Guy Who Thought Violent Protests Could Backfire Politically?

 

[chamber-music]

Police unions are evil and have way too much power. There is way too much red tape.

I recall a former commissioner of a major city saying union bosses have more power than them in regards to firing officers.

Unfortunately police unions in many major towns and cities enable and conceal abuses of power. They also cover up crimes committed by their members.

Half of Minnesota's fired police officers get their job back through arbitration.

Half of fired MN cops get jobs back through arbitration

Getting rid of bad cops is WAY more difficult than it should be. Cops have it easy. You can lose your job for far less and with less chance of getting it back in most other professions.

The response looting gets always feels pretty disproportionate to me. I'm not saying it's a great thing to do, but I feel like people often follow that rabbit hole down in the way the police want people to because it allows them to have justification for when they assault protesters. We even saw media sources get called on this kind of thing early last summer when the media attention followed looters and allowed a blind eye to be cast on what the police were doing to protesters. The vitriol that follows the subject from some corners often feels like it dwarfs the reaction towards actual murders.

Florida governor Ron DeSantis wanted to expand the 'Stand Your Ground' law so that they could shoot looters.

I don't think a teenagers who throws a brick through a window should be killed for it.

CNN reported that he hadn't pulled over right away, but then those cops were belligerent after, no chance to calm things down. When the guy kept asking why they had pulled him over the cop never said, he just demanded the guy get out. Why didn't the cop just answer the question? I just don't understand why things have to get so ugly so fast. Maybe it is because I'm white, but I see bits of culpability on both sides in both incidents.

The road he was on was poorly lit and had a ditch on the side. The soldier slowed down and put his signal light on as he drove for 1 minute and 40 seconds to the gas station up ahead.

Gas stations are well lit at night, they tend to have cameras and police are less likely to start firing rounds around explosive material.

The aggressive cop even said later on that 80% of the minority people he pulls over do the same thing (pull over at gas stations). It's seemingly a pretty common thing for many African Americans in certain areas.

 

[Sithborg]

CNN reported that he hadn't pulled over right away, but then those cops were belligerent after, no chance to calm things down. When the guy kept asking why they had pulled him over the cop never said, he just demanded the guy get out. Why didn't the cop just answer the question? I just don't understand why things have to get so ugly so fast. Maybe it is because I'm white, but I see bits of culpability on both sides in both incidents.

The one cop was way, way more than belligerent.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think this shooting was more an unfortunate incident than a straight-up murder like George Floyd. The kid started fighting, probably because he found out they knew about the warrant and he panicked thinking he was gonna go to jail, and he resisted and tried to flee. She was within her rights to taze him, but shooting him wasn't necessary, he was in the car and as far as I know unarmed. She sounded shocked afterwards at the fact that she shot him, so I don't think it was what she meant to do.

Unfortunately, in the larger context of POC having seen police brutality way too many times, even incidents with gray area like this will automatically spark riots and looting and violence, because the climate is already so charged that there's no room for nuance or gray area.

 

[terry78]

In layman's terms as a cop you can't afford to make those types of mistakes. They're human, but you have to almost be above that to do that job.

 

[Sithborg]

Sure, violent rioters are not good. Its why the cops need to stop being violent rioters....

 

[InCali]

The one cop was way, way more than belligerent.

He was clearly just on a stupid power trip and was going to assert "his" authority no matter what. The lieutenant was clearly coherent, identified himself, asked reasonable questions, and explained himself. The cop was on a single track; unreasonably focused on "You do what I say", threatening the man without reason, and using unreasonable force to make him leave his vehicle. He should have been fired immediately, but the fact that he wasn't and the fact that he wasn't afraid to act the way he did while on camera tells you all you need to know about the state of mind of many police.

 

[squeekness]

The one cop was way, way more than belligerent.

He deserved to get fired. He should have been as calm as the driver no matter how mad he was. There was no call for things to go as badly as they did.

 

[Lasirius]

And of course he only got fired after the release of the body cam footage

 

[squeekness]

And of course he only got fired after the release of the body cam footage

True. At least the driver was thoughtful enough to have the camera. Sad that it comes to that.

 

[InCali]

And of course he only got fired after the release of the body cam footage

Showing that public optics are more important than actions when it comes to police discipline.

 

[Sithborg]

Meanwhile, in potentially better news...


Generally, as the defense, you don't want that...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Meanwhile, in potentially better news...


Generally, as the defense, you don't want that...

This is what Steven Crowder would call a good day for the defense.

 

[InCali]

This is what Steven Crowder would call a good day for the defense.

Or what Sidney Powell would call releasing the Kraken.

 

[Sithborg]

Be safe in Kenosha.

 

[Schlosser85]

Meanwhile, in potentially better news...


Generally, as the defense, you don't want that...

From what admittedly little I've watched of the trial, the defense attorney doesn't seem that smart.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Iceman]

 

[GunBlade]

I agree that it was an accident on her part, more a manslaughter than a murder like George Floyd. What bothers me is the kid tried to get back into the car. If he had just done what the cops told him to -- and these cops were calm and polite, unlike the pepper spray incident where there was no attempt to de-escalate. I'm just as bothered by the kid trying to run as I am by the female cop's mistake.

The topic of Accountability is not the politically correct response. People want to ignore that the kid was at fault too simply because it doesn’t fit into the anti police narrative.

Instead they prefer to infantilize these black men than acknowledge the accountability for their poor choices when dealing with police.

They say he was fearful of police. His criminal history, including a recent attempted robbery from a woman at gunpoint, says otherwise.

 

[Schlosser85]

Instead they prefer to infantilize these black men than acknowledge the accountability for their poor choices when dealing with police.

Which is kind of ironically patronizing and racist on their part.

 

[terry78]

I won't pretend a lot of these dudes were saints, we're not stupid. I grew up in Gary, indiana so I know. But in the same breath they weren't doing anything to make officers fear for their safety that warranted death to be sentenced right then and there either.

 

[Teelie]

Nothing that man did in that situation warranted being shot. He was not a threat to anyone. There is no reason to go victim blaming. Whatever his past was it did not affect that present.

He did not have any weapon, not even a phone in his hand to be "mistaken" for a gun. He was going back to his vehicle.