BLM Protests Across The World

[GunBlade]

Did you watch the whole video?

The police approached him calmly and politely.

He resisted arrest, suddenly became erratic, then attempted to flee the scene. He put his girlfriend in danger. She’s incredibly lucky to have not been hit by crossfire.

Clearly the officers panicked given how erratic his movements were when he got back into the car and I can imagine they were on high alert for imminent danger. How many police officers have ended up killed during traffic stops where drivers became erratic and pulled a gun or a weapon out of their vehicles?

If we’re going to call a spade a spade, then look at both sides of the aisle.

 

[Schlosser85]

Did you watch the whole video?

The police approached him calmly and politely.

He resisted arrest, suddenly became erratic, then attempted to flee the scene. He put his girlfriend in danger. She’s incredibly lucky to have not been hit by crossfire.

Clearly the officers panicked given how erratic his movements were when he got back into the car and I can imagine they were on high alert for imminent danger. How many police officers have ended up killed during traffic stops where drivers became erratic and pulled a gun or a weapon out of their vehicles?

If we’re going to call a spade a spade, then look at both sides of the aisle.

You know, earlier I said shooting him wasn't necessary because he was getting in his car and trying to flee, but the fact that they plausibly could have thought he was gonna pull a gun out of his vehicle is a valid point.

I still don't think it was necessary to shoot him, although tazing would have been warranted, but I think she made an unfortunate mix-up in the heat of the moment.

 

[squeekness]

You know, earlier I said shooting him wasn't necessary because he was getting in his car and trying to flee, but the fact that they plausibly could have thought he was gonna pull a gun out of his vehicle is a valid point.

I still don't think it was necessary to shoot him, although tazing would have been warranted, but I think she made an unfortunate mix-up in the heat of the moment.

Exactly. This isn't the same as what ehow happened to George Floyd even though protesters want to make it so. Unless they can somehow prove she knew full well she had drawn her gun even though she said Taser, which I doubt.,

 

[moviedoors]

How many police officers have ended up killed during traffic stops where drivers became erratic and pulled a gun or a weapon out of their vehicles?

In 2019: six

FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty — FBI

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Teelie]

In 2019: six

FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty — FBI

That seems rather low for the number of traffic stops they perform per year.

And how many people die because police panicked and shot someone? We don't know a full accountable number because the police don't have to report those numbers. This idea that cops are in danger every time they pull over a car so it's okay to pull a gun and shoot someone to death is not going to increase trust in the police.

This also brings up the point that she wildly shot her gun into a vehicle which could have killed another innocent person. Reckless shooting by police isn't something I would defend.

 

[Sithborg]

The topic of Accountability is not the politically correct response. People want to ignore that the kid was at fault too simply because it doesn’t fit into the anti police narrative.

Instead they prefer to infantilize these black men than acknowledge the accountability for their poor choices when dealing with police.

They say he was fearful of police. His criminal history, including a recent attempted robbery from a woman at gunpoint, says otherwise.

And once again, it doesn't matter if he was the worst kind of criminal out there. He was not threatening anyone. Lethal force, including the less lethal force of a taser, was not neccessary. What you are arguing is "if you do what you are told, you will be fine", which we have ample, ample evidence of being totally bull****. Philando Castille is the perfect example of how following orders of the police will not save your life So why shouldn't every black man treat an encounter with the police like their life is on the line. In this case it clearly was, even if it wasn't intentional. Everyone, even the worst criminal, deserves their day in court, and to be taken in alive to see that day in court.

And I think you hit a point you don't quite realize, in that the fear of police does not prevent crimes.

 

[Schlosser85]

Eh...I don’t know how I feel about that.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, manslaughter is completely appropriate.

But sure, don't hold the cop responsible for a lethal mistake.

 

[GunBlade]

Exactly. This isn't the same as what ehow happened to George Floyd even though protesters want to make it so. Unless they can somehow prove she knew full well she had drawn her gun even though she said Taser, which I doubt.,

I don’t believe she did. Terrible mistake, unintended fatal consequence. It shouldn’t have happened but it did.

It is what it is.

 

[InCali]

I don’t believe she did. Terrible mistake, unintended fatal consequence. It shouldn’t have happened but it did.

It is what it is.

Which, in my not-so-informed opinion, justifies a manslaughter charge.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The cop fired her gun thinking it was her tazer and that is some kind of argument because she really thought she was firing her tazer ? Like a genuine mistake ?

PS: I usually doesn't comment on foreign events but it made the news in France too (Like Floyd).

 

[terry78]

Yeah, it was an apparent mistake but after using both weapons for as long as she supposedly has it's a hell of a mistake to make.

 

[moviedoors]

The cop fired her gun thinking it was her tazer and that is some kind of argument because she really thought she was firing her tazer ? Like a genuine mistake ?

Right? I mean, isn't this exactly why a manslaughter charge exists? You don't get to go "yeah but I didn't mean it" and then it's all hunky dory.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Right? I mean, isn't this exactly why a manslaughter charge exists? You don't get to go "yeah but I didn't mean it" and then it's all hunky dory.

I don't know the USA law about what manslaughter is or is not compared to the French law.
I just wanted to be sure that regarding US laws, the presumably fact that it was a genuine mistake could be a valide argument in that case. The mistake, being a cop, was I drew my gun and shoot instead of my tazer.

 

[InCali]

I can understand that someone, in the heat of the moment, can make a mistake. However, a well trained police officer should not mistake a gun for a taser. While I believe it probably was an accident, I don't think you can say "oopsy" and let it go.

 

[GunBlade]

Which, in my not-so-informed opinion, justifies a manslaughter charge.

Agreed.

 

[Sithborg]

I don't know the USA law about what manslaughter is or is not compared to the French law.
I just wanted to be sure that regarding US laws, the presumably fact that it was a genuine mistake could be a valide argument in that case. The mistake, being a cop, was I drew my gun and shoot instead of my tazer.

The nitty gritty varies by state and federal statute, but yes, manslaughter is generally killing someone without intent to do harm.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Exactly. This isn't the same as what ehow happened to George Floyd even though protesters want to make it so. Unless they can somehow prove she knew full well she had drawn her gun even though she said Taser, which I doubt.,

It is the exact same thing. Because it isn't the actual shooting, it is everything leading up to it. It's the excuses about "less then lethal" force being applied where it was not necessary, and a "mistake" that kills another black man. It's another black man dead because the cops wanted a confrontation and found a reason for it. Warrants or not, he was pulled over because he had an air fresher on his rearview mirror according to his mother.

The police chief had to resign because all he could talk about at the press conference was how he couldn't possibly bias the investigation by commenting on it, and then he commented on it to excuse the cop's actions and his own action when he decided to have his officers assault a bunch of people again, after the cops murdered someone again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Did you watch the whole video?

The police approached him calmly and politely.

He resisted arrest, suddenly became erratic, then attempted to flee the scene. He put his girlfriend in danger. She’s incredibly lucky to have not been hit by crossfire.

Clearly the officers panicked given how erratic his movements were when he got back into the car and I can imagine they were on high alert for imminent danger. How many police officers have ended up killed during traffic stops where drivers became erratic and pulled a gun or a weapon out of their vehicles?

If we’re going to call a spade a spade, then look at both sides of the aisle.

You know, earlier I said shooting him wasn't necessary because he was getting in his car and trying to flee, but the fact that they plausibly could have thought he was gonna pull a gun out of his vehicle is a valid point.

I still don't think it was necessary to shoot him, although tazing would have been warranted, but I think she made an unfortunate mix-up in the heat of the moment.

You can have a gun and tell them you are legally carrying, and the cops can shoot you, and someone will find blame for you for your murder. If you don't have gun and the cops shoot you, someone will find blame for you for your murder. There is always a way to place blame on the black person for being murdered.

Any blame for any potential crossfire or the firing of a weapon at all, is on the cops and the cops alone. Because they are the ones who used their firearms.

 

[Snow Queen]

If you can't be trusted not to murder someone by accident, then you shouldn't have that job. Because the end result is a black man is dead at the hands of the police. Again. While the reasons to claim it's not really that big of a deal or completely understandable change, what doesn't change is who seems to always be suffering the deadly consequences.

 

[squeekness]

Right? I mean, isn't this exactly why a manslaughter charge exists? You don't get to go "yeah but I didn't mean it" and then it's all hunky dory.

Yes, the charge shows that she is still culpable, just as if she had hit someone with her car.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don’t necessarily disagree with the involuntary manslaughter charge but I think there’s mitigating circumstances like his resisting arrest and fighting with them and trying to get back in his car and the plausible concern that he could have had a gun inside. I don’t know what a rightful outcome is here, but I don’t think it’s a black and white situation (no pun intended).

 

[Sithborg]

And thus why even Chauvin getting a guilty verdict is difficult.

 

[Schlosser85]

And thus why even Chauvin getting a guilty verdict is difficult.

Chauvin blatantly deserves a guilty verdict.