BLM Protests Across The World

[DarthSkywalker]

I don’t necessarily disagree with the involuntary manslaughter charge but I think there’s mitigating circumstances like his resisting arrest and fighting with them and trying to get back in his car and the plausible concern that he could have had a gun inside. I don’t know what a rightful outcome is here, but I don’t think it’s a black and white situation (no pun intended).

But what about the mitigating circumstance of the stop in the first place? Has there been any indication that they pulled him over for a legit reason? Because there is only a confrontation because of a traffic stop that apparently was BS.

Resisting arrest is not a death sentence. So I do not think it qualifies s as a mitigating circumstance here.

If she feared he had a gun, there would have been no reason to pull the taser. Whatever they knew about the man, they did not fear him having a weapon in that moment. If they did, the officer would have meant to pull her gun. She didn't. She meant to pull her taser. They rarely answer bats and knives with less then lethal force. There is no such wiggle room for a gun. She did not fear a gun in that moment.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Chauvin blatantly deserves a guilty verdict.

It's the same reasoning though. He didn't mean to kill George Floyd, and he was using what he believed was less then lethal force against someone they claim was resisting. He was obviously incorrect, like this officer was here.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's the same reasoning though. He didn't mean to kill George Floyd, and he was using what he believed was less then lethal force against someone they claim was resisting. He was obviously incorrect, like this officer was here.

I think he has far, far less wiggle room to try to make that argument in any way convincingly, considering he kept his knee on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and paramedics basically had to push him off to even attempt to render aid.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think he has far, far less wiggle room to try to make that argument in any way convincingly, considering he kept his knee on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and paramedics basically had to push him off to even attempt to render aid.

I do not know the code in Minneapolis, but basically both are guilty of homicide imo. Both did things that could have foreseeably caused death. Her mistake doesn't really change that she pulled out a gun and fired it, just like Chauvin's "mistake" of thinking that George Floyd was faking it or not realizing what he was doing could cause death, doesn't change his role in Floyd's death. At best it is negligent homicide imo, but I do not know the code is there.

These are both cops in the line of duty, doing the obviously wrong thing and it ended up with an unarmed citizen being killed by them. Both could make the claim their actions came about do to the suspect "resisting" arrest. Both would be wrong.

 

[Schlosser85]

I just think her defense has more room to try to make a case in her defense than Chauvin’s objectively does.

 

[Schlosser85]

Someone, I think John King, made a good point about Chauvin’s trial this morning though: the prosecution has to win every juror, while the defense only has to win one or two.

 

[RockSP]

 

[Sithborg]

Black Buffalo police officer fired for trying to stop chokehold wins ruling, to get pension - CNN

A reminder that the blue line means there are no good cops.

 

[Schlosser85]

That’s both an offensive and unconstructive slogan.

 

[Teelie]

Black Buffalo police officer fired for trying to stop chokehold wins ruling, to get pension - CNN

A reminder that the blue line means there are no good cops.

Good she got what she earned but so, so bad she had to go through this to get it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Black Buffalo police officer fired for trying to stop chokehold wins ruling, to get pension - CNN

A reminder that the blue line means there are no good cops.

Now that is a hero. And because she was a hero who did the right thing, she wasn't allowed to be a cop anymore. Being a good cop isn't allowed. To the point that they tried to ruin her and her kids lives. This happened in 2006. It took 15 years for her to get justice.

"I had five children and I lost everything but [the suspect] did not lose his life," Horne said then. "So, if I have nothing else to live for in life, at least I can know that I did the right thing and that [he] still breathes."

 

[squeekness]

Chauvin blatantly deserves a guilty verdict.

No doubt.

 

[Sithborg]

That’s both an offensive and unconstructive slogan.

Nah. The Blue Line is a corruptive force. Good cops are punished. The group is rewarded. You don't go against the group. And when that group has some bad cops, it corrupts the whole group.

My brother's life was made miserable because of the Blue Line. He nearly quit, it was so bad. And why? Because he asked out a cop's ex. Which, you should definitely do some reading on in terms of cops and spousal abuse. My brother still loves his job as a cop. But, he definitely doesn't fit in like a lot of the others. Just on mask policy alone, he is kind of stand outish by still wearing his mask. And I am ****ing terrified of what my brother may have to keep hidden, or even have been part of.

There are no good cops, even if there are a lot of good people in that job, because the Blue Line culture and the policing system are not good.

 

[moviedoors]

Also worth noting: something like 80% of cops were Trump supporters.

Case ****ing closed.

 

[chamber-music]

Someone, I think John King, made a good point about Chauvin’s trial this morning though: the prosecution has to win every juror, while the defense only has to win one or two.

It's pretty obvious the defense is looking for reasonable doubt to save Chauvin's ass which is why they tried really hard to muddy the waters with Floyd have drugs in his system. The reasonable force defense seems more like a gamble. It is pretty difficult to justify continually kneeling on a guys neck until he stops breathing. When Floyd is unresponsive you can no longer argue he was resisting and thus the use of force was necessary.

If Chauvin says he didn't know Floyd was dead then it will either make him look negligent at best and sociopathic at worst.

 

[Sithborg]

Anyone in Chicago, be safe. I don't imagine people are going to take the video very well, let alone also being lied to by law enforcement.

 

[Iceman]

Also worth noting: something lie 80% of cops were Trump supporters.

Case ****ing closed.

That is a very damning stat.

 

[Sithborg]

Jesus, I've seen the video now. Easy to not fully grasp what you are watching until you unmute the audio. People in Chicago are going to be very, very pissed. Rightfully so.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Anyone in Chicago, be safe. I don't imagine people are going to take the video very well, let alone also being lied to by law enforcement.

And who is responsible for this lie about the murder of a 13 year old child? Every officer who showed up on the scene. Every member of the department who knew there was no gun. Somehow they all couldn't correct the record until today. They killed a 13 year old child and then came up with a lie and they continued to lie about it.

All cops are responsible for the tragic state of policing in the US. They all go along with this. Those that don't, get fired or quit. Cops will stage massive walkouts when people callout the awful things they do. How many walkouts are there going to be by the cops over this? How about all the other acts of violence they commit everyday?

 

[Sithborg]

Going back to the Chicago mayor's statements from her press conference after actually seeing the video, and almost all I can think about is how Chicago hasn't really burned down in recent history...

 

[Holiday]

And who is responsible for this lie about the murder of a 13 year old child? Every officer who showed up on the scene. Every member of the department who knew there was no gun. Somehow they all couldn't correct the record until today. They killed a 13 year old child and then came up with a lie and they continued to lie about it.

All cops are responsible for the tragic state of policing in the US. They all go along with this. Those that don't, get fired or quit. Cops will stage massive walkouts when people callout the awful things they do. How many walkouts are there going to be by the cops over this? How about all the other acts of violence they commit everyday?

Fair to criticize the prosecutor who claimed Toledo was holding a gun when he shot by the officer which isn't true, but why would the officers on the scene say there was no gun when one was recovered? You can also see it in his right hand on the video.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Fair to criticize the prosecutor who claimed Toledo was holding a gun when he shot by the officer which isn't true, but why would the officers on the scene say there was no gun when one was recovered? You can also see it in his right hand on the video.

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Thank you for the tiny little 144p photo you just posted that shows nothing.

Let's try something else.

Adam Toledo video: Footage of Chicago police shooting released

Adam can be seen tossing what appeared to be a gun behind the fence as he slows down, according to surveillance video shot from across a parking lot. The video shows the gun coming to rest on the backside of the fence.

That's when the officer ordered Adam to show his hands, according to his bodycam video. The officer shouts for Adam to "stop it" or "drop it." Adam turned toward the officer and put his hands up. In the footage, he does not appear to have a gun in either hand. The officer fired his weapon less than a second after Adam turned around to face him with his hands raised.

They know the kid did not try to shoot at the cop. That he was shot in the chest while not holding a gun. They let the lie persist for over 2 weeks. They knew it wasn't an armed confrontation. The gun's location makes that evident. It's a mile away, under the fence. The video shows they know where it is. The gun might as well have been two blocks away. Same effect and they knew this.

But please, keep going.

 

[Sithborg]

And the LAPD feels it was a good time to try to slip this out unnoticed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They are the worst gang on the planet.

 

[Holiday]

Thank you for the tiny little 144p photo you just posted that shows nothing.

Let's try something else.

Adam Toledo video: Footage of Chicago police shooting released



They know the kid did not try to shoot at the cop. That he was shot in the chest while not holding a gun. They let the lie persist for over 2 weeks. They knew it wasn't an armed confrontation. The gun's location makes that evident. It's a mile away, under the fence. The video shows they know where it is. The gun might as well have been two blocks away. Same effect and they knew this.

But please, keep going.

Chicago Police Release Video, Still Images They Say Show Adam Toledo Holding Gun Before Fatal Shooting

There's a better image.

We've moved from "officers on the scene are complicit from not speaking out because they knew there was no gun" to "there was a gun, but it was a mile away" which is obvious hyperbole that means nothing.