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[DarthSkywalker]

Law enforcement is full of white supremacists in this country.

US police and public officials donated to Kyle Rittenhouse, data breach reveals

 

[squeekness]

So what you are saying is the kid did exactly what the cop asked him to do, and then he shot him anyways.

Not really. The kid continued to run with the gun until he reached a break in the fence, THEN he slowed, tossed the gun where the cop couldn't see it (this was shown in the second video from the school), before turning back to the cop with his hands empty. By that time the cop had caught up, and in my opinion, couldn't tell the hands were empty as the boy turned. That's what I saw of the videos. It wasn't just me, both Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon conceded the same. The reality is that not every shoot is a bad one. Of all the recent cop incidents we've been shown lately, this is the only one where I'd give the cop a pass. I'm not even close to saying cops are always innocent, we've seen too much for that, but in this ONE incident, I don't think the cop was at fault. Just my opinion.,

 

[squeekness]

I guess what I also wish was some way to shoot to maim or disarm, rather than a shooting always having to be fatal. Maybe thats what the taser is for, but I don't know that they get used enough or whatever.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not really. The kid continued to run with the gun until he reached a break in the fence, THEN he slowed, tossed the gun where the cop couldn't see it (this was shown in the second video from the school), before turning back to the cop with his hands empty. By that time the cop had caught up, and in my opinion, couldn't tell the hands were empty as the boy turned. That's what I saw of the videos. It wasn't just me, both Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon conceded the same. The reality is that not every shoot is a bad one. Of all the recent cop incidents we've been shown lately, this is the only one where I'd give the cop a pass. I'm not even close to saying cops are always innocent, we've seen too much for that, but in this ONE incident, I don't think the cop was at fault. Just my opinion.,

He told him to drop the gun and to put his hands up. That is exactly what the kid did. How can the kid tell what the cop can and cannot see? If the kid put his hands up with the gun in it, people would of said he had a gun in his hand and the shooting was justified.

They cop clearly shoots too fast because the kid does what he asked him to do, and instead of identifying that, he shoots the kid. The cops own instructions are impossible to follow without being shot.

In this scenario any movement the kid makes means the cop is justified in shooting him because he theoretically had a gun in his hand at one point. Why must the cop shoot the child while he is raising his hands? Because the cop might fear being shot? In that case you are justifying pretty much any scenario where the cop "feels" they are in danger.

I guess what I also wish was some way to shoot to maim or disarm, rather than a shooting always having to be fatal. Maybe thats what the taser is for, but I don't know that they get used enough or whatever.

What I wish is the cops cared about the public as much as they cared about themselves. They try to avoid all risk, and thus place all the risk on those they are suppose to SERVE and PROTECT.

 

[InCali]

With rare exceptions that I can't even think of right now, it shouldn't matter what someone did before they put their hands up and turned around. They are saying the cop had only 1 second to make a decision. Say "one, one thousand" in a normal cadence. That is 1 second. That is enough time to not shoot an empty handed person with their arms raised.

 

[Sithborg]

Not really. The kid continued to run with the gun until he reached a break in the fence, THEN he slowed, tossed the gun where the cop couldn't see it (this was shown in the second video from the school), before turning back to the cop with his hands empty. By that time the cop had caught up, and in my opinion, couldn't tell the hands were empty as the boy turned. That's what I saw of the videos. It wasn't just me, both Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon conceded the same. The reality is that not every shoot is a bad one. Of all the recent cop incidents we've been shown lately, this is the only one where I'd give the cop a pass. I'm not even close to saying cops are always innocent, we've seen too much for that, but in this ONE incident, I don't think the cop was at fault. Just my opinion.,

Just so you understand what this shooting was the fruit of...

 

[squeekness]

Just so you understand what this shooting was the fruit of...

I won't deny that there may have been bad doings outside of this incident, its just that in this one instance I don't think the cop is at fault.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

With rare exceptions that I can't even think of right now, it shouldn't matter what someone did before they put their hands up and turned around. They are saying the cop had only 1 second to make a decision. Say "one, one thousand" in a normal cadence. That is 1 second. That is enough time to not shoot an empty handed person with their arms raised.

The cop gave himself 1 second. What forced him to shoot inside that 1 second? The kid posed him no threat. Instead of identifying that, he shot him. And it's the same excuse every time. They felt in danger. With rare exception, like legit suicide by cop, unless there is real imminent danger, a cop should not be allowed to shoot people.

In the video the cop has himself hyped. He is yelling instructions, but does not seem to be understand what he is asking. He's too worried about his own well being. So when the kid does what he asked him to do, he shot him. Such people should not be cops.

 

[Schlosser85]

I won't deny that there may have been bad doings outside of this incident, its just that in this one instance I don't think the cop is at fault.

Unfortunately the climate is so charged (understandably) that there's no room for nuance or gray area anymore. And it's understandable why that is. But every case isn't another Breonna Taylor or George Floyd.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Unfortunately the climate is so charged (understandably) that there's no room for nuance or gray area anymore. And it's understandable why that is. But every case isn't another Breonna Taylor or George Floyd.

This is not nuance. This is ignoring the nuance presented by advocates of police reform (mostly of color) when it comes to issues with the police making it clear you don't have to be the perfect victim, to survive a police encounter. The issues with police training, the calls they answer, how they interact with people of color and how giving police more money does not fix that.

What you just wrote goes directly to the idea that if a victim is not perfect it somehow validates the actions of the police in any way, shape or form. It doesn't. Just like making up a gun that might have been in a car, does not justify shooting someone attempting to run from the police, just like a kid dropping a gun and raising their hand does not justify a cop shooting them. Especially when that is what the kid was told to do.

What we are seeing is not nuance. It is buying into decades of propaganda from the police, setting up any scenario that isn't a black woman sleeping in her bed or a man being kneeled on for 10 minutes as some sort of difficult scenario for the cops to not shoot someone. That is not nuance. Saying the kid had a gun in his hands is not nuance. That is the exact opposite of nuance. It is distilling something down to give police the biggest benefit of the doubt, just like the Chicago PD and DAs did.

Nuance is realizing that a cop has a responsibility to not pull the trigger just to protect themselves. That cops decided to become cops, and thus have chosen to take a job where lives hang in the balance and thus should not be held too such lower standards. This cop was never in danger. He decided he was. He murdered a child because of it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I saw a vid of a white guy pull his gun at the cops and he drove away without a scratch. Why does Chad get that benefit of doubt? I've said this elsewhere on here, I literally have my license out of my wallet and registration within hand reach, if and when a cop pulls me over. I don't want to give em an excuse to shoot me and have the report say I was reaching for something.

 

[Holiday]

You are talking to the gun who thinks George Zimmerman was justified. What do you think?

So did a jury of 6. I've debunked numerous false claims here about that case with information that is readily available. That Martin was cornered by Zimmerman, that Zimmerman physically put his hands on Martin, stopping him from going home, that the 911 caller told Zimmerman to stop following Martin, that Zimmerman had eyes on Martin "stalking him" the whole time. The argument here has been essentially reduced to "Yeah, well, Skittles".

All of the criticism I've gotten for it here, I've never been accused of not sticking to the facts. People here cannot get Trayvon Martin's age at the time of his death correct, let alone most details about what led to it. We're talking about this again yeah, but not because I brought it up.

 

[Holiday]

What facts do we need to wait for when there's a video.

That article was written on the 6th, the video was released two or three days ago.

 

[Sithborg]

I thing to remember about the Adam Toledo shooting, is if it was justified, why did the cops and prosecutor lie about it. Blatantly.


Looks like MN cops are rioting.

 

[Schlosser85]

So did a jury of 6. I've debunked numerous false claims here about that case with information that is readily available. That Martin was cornered by Zimmerman, that Zimmerman physically put his hands on Martin, stopping him from going home, that the 911 caller told Zimmerman to stop following Martin, that Zimmerman had eyes on Martin "stalking him" the whole time. The argument here has been essentially reduced to "Yeah, well, Skittles".

All of the criticism I've gotten for it here, I've never been accused of not sticking to the facts. People here cannot get Trayvon Martin's age at the time of his death correct, let alone most details about what led to it. We're talking about this again yeah, but not because I brought it up.

For what it's worth, I do tend to think Zimmerman was in the wrong, and his behavior afterward like trying to sue Martin's family, and hawking the gun at auction as "a piece of American history"---which is distasteful to put it mildly---has done nothing to make me reassess my dim opinion of him.

 

[Holiday]

For what it's worth, I do tend to think Zimmerman was in the wrong, and his behavior afterward like trying to sue Martin's family, and hawking the gun at auction as "a piece of American history"---which is distasteful to put it mildly---has done nothing to make me reassess my dim opinion of him.

I watched the Trayvon Hoax Documentary which made a solid argument that the girl, Rachel Jeantel, who disastrously testified in court to having been on the phone with Martin and supposedly wrote a letter to Sabrina Fulton about Martin's death under the name "Diamond Eugene" was not actually the real Diamond Eugene.

The real Diamond Eugene had a boyfriend while she was talking to Martin and didn't want that to come out, so Jeantel was used as a stand-in, the film-maker claims. He legally obtained Martin's cell phone records and lays it out plainly who the real Diamond Eugene was and even meets with her in person. Benjamin Crump was behind putting her on the stand after the real girl refused and Sabrina Fulton knew about it as well.

I don't know the details of the lawsuit and will admit the optics of it are obviously horrible with the parents being named but believing Crump put a fake witness on the stand I don't have a problem with him suing Crump. I'd be surprised though if it actually goes anywhere.

Zimmerman has done nothing but solidify his image of being a racist villain since the end of the trial. Painting and selling Confederate flags, selling the gun, etc.. I doubt he had any chance at a regular life after the media got a hold of this story but he certainly squandered away any chance he did have in the years since.

 

[Schlosser85]

I watched the Trayvon Hoax Documentary which made a solid argument that the girl, Rachel Jeantel, who disastrously testified in court to having been on the phone with Martin and supposedly wrote a letter to Sabrina Fulton about Martin's death under the name "Diamond Eugene" was not actually the real Diamond Eugene.

The real Diamond Eugene had a boyfriend while she was talking to Martin and didn't want that to come out, so Jeantel was used as a stand-in, the film-maker claims. He legally obtained Martin's cell phone records and lays it out plainly who the real Diamond Eugene was and even meets with her in person. Benjamin Crump was behind putting her on the stand after the real girl refused and Sabrina Fulton knew about it as well.

I don't know the details of the lawsuit and will admit the optics of it are obviously horrible with the parents being named but believing Crump put a fake witness on the stand I don't have a problem with him suing Crump. I'd be surprised though if it actually goes anywhere.

Zimmerman has done nothing but solidify his image of being a racist villain since the end of the trial. Painting and selling Confederate flags, selling the gun, etc.. I doubt he had any chance at a regular life after the media got a hold of this story but he certainly squandered away any chance he did have in the years since.

I don't know about the rest of that, so I won't comment on it, but I agree with the last part.

 

[Sithborg]

I do feel bad for Rittenhouse. Ideally, he would have had a chance to change course. But the right wing worship over him has sort of solidified his path toward right wing extremism.

 

[Schlosser85]

I do feel bad for Rittenhouse. Ideally, he would have had a chance to change course. But the right wing worship over him has sort of solidified his path toward right wing extremism.

Further convince him he did nothing wrong and is an unfairly persecuted hero/martyr.

 

[squeekness]

For what it's worth, I do tend to think Zimmerman was in the wrong, and his behavior afterward like trying to sue Martin's family, and hawking the gun at auction as "a piece of American history"---which is distasteful to put it mildly---has done nothing to make me reassess my dim opinion of him.

Same here. Just because you have a gun doesn't make you a cop with authority to shoot.

 

[Sithborg]

Cops rioting in Minnesota.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Bootlickers will find a way to defend police no matter what they do.

Killing a kid with his hands up? It's OK, bro, it was justified.

 

[Schlosser85]

Same here. Just because you have a gun doesn't make you a cop with authority to shoot.

Especially as, IIRC, he was expressly told by the dispatcher to stop following Martin and not to take matters into his own hands.

But another “good guy with a gun” (in his own mind) trying to cosplay Lone Ranger

 

[Schlosser85]

The prosecution is giving a pretty good closing argument in Chauvin's trial.

All the defense has had to come up with are flimsy straws, but all they need is one juror to believe it or just take Chauvin's side.

Chauvin is about the most clearly guilty of murder as these kinds of cases get, IMO, but we'll see what happens.

 

[chamber-music]

Chauvin's whole defense was pretty much 'George Floyd just so happened to die from drugs when I was kneeling on his neck for nine minutes'. 'Also kneeling on his neck while he was cuffed and had three other officers restraining him was totally reasonable force' .

Personally I would find it hard to buy that none of Chauvin's actions contributed to Floyd's death if I was a juror on this trial.

We have seen cops get off before though so nothing is guaranteed.
Despite all the talk of freedom and democracy there are plenty of people that seem in favor of fascism or authoritarianism if they believe it benefits them.

Not obeying a police officers commands within 30 seconds is an offence worthy of instant execution according to some of these police worshippers.