BLM Protests Across The World

[DarthSkywalker]

I'd like to hear the explanation for delaying the firing. I saw this for the first time yesterday and it's Fing sickening. At least this guy wasn't killed. I hope his civil suit goes well.

Police unions are evil and have way too much power. There is way too much red tape.

 

[InCali]

The body cam footage is out there. The cop thought she had her taser and just shot him. He had no weapon, no nothing. He was trying to run, and she shot him in the car. She realized this after she shot him. It's murder. Not first degree, but it is obvious negligence.

I thought it was a taser, but it was a gun....if that isn't bizarre, nothing is....

I haven't seen it, but it sounds like manslaughter (I'm also not an attorney).

 

[InCali]

Police unions are evil and have way too much power. There is way too much red tape.

I hear ya. It's why I tried to keep the cops out of my union.

I want to hear the explanation about the delay from "them". That ought to be a major reality bender.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought it was a taser, but it was a gun....if that isn't bizarre, nothing is....

I haven't seen it, but it sounds like manslaughter (I'm also not an attorney).

The footage is super clear. She yells taser and right after she shoots him and he drives away, she is in obvious shock and tells her fellow obvious she shot him like she can't believe it happened. This is why we should hold cops to a higher standard, not a lower one. When they "mess up", they can and do kill people.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hear ya. It's why I tried to keep the cops out of my union.

I want to hear the explanation about the delay from "them". That ought to be a major reality bender.

Don't know how it is there, but in a lot of these places, there are numerous steps, including extended reviews and appeals that involve lengthy passages of time. I kind of hope it was because they wanted to make sure he didn't get some sort of compensation, but probably not.

 

[InCali]

Don't know how it is there, but in a lot of these places, there are numerous steps, including extended reviews that involve lengthy passages of time. I kind of hope it was because they wanted to make sure he didn't get some sort of compensation, but probably not.

Yeah. And it just so happens that the "review" was completed at the same time the video went viral....

That sounds about right....in never never land

 

[InCali]

The footage is super clear. She yells taser and right after she shoots him and he drives away, she is in obvious shock and tells her fellow obvious she shot him like she can't believe it happened. This is why we should hold cops to a higher standard, not a lower one. When they "mess up", they can and do kill people.

If I ever go in for surgery, I hope the doctor doesn't say "scalpel" and gets handed a bone saw.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah. And it just so happens that the "review" was completed at the same time the video went viral....

That sounds about right....in never never land

Crazy thing is, they released it.

I am watching the press conference. The push back from the police chief is just... ugh. I get why he can't say certain things, but you can tell he is upset and defensive. Almost cried at least once. Not for the victim or his family, but seemingly for himself. He actually left, and they had to get him back. His excuse was he is use to handing off to other people at such press conference. He's defended how they handled the protest last night as well and it makes him sound as tone deaf as you'd expect, including justifying shooting people with rubber bullets.

The one thing the police chief has said about the officer, is she is a senior officer. She's been around for awhile. So, not a rookie mistake.

If I ever go in for surgery, I hope the doctor doesn't say "scalpel" and gets handed a bone saw.

Seriously.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Every time they make it clear they only protect "peaceful protesters", they make it clear, they don't protect anyone they don't see as peaceful. Like it is within their right to treat everyone they see that way as violently as they like. You should be protecting everyone.

 

[Sithborg]

Every time they make it clear they only protect "peaceful protesters", they make it clear, they don't protect anyone they don't see as peaceful. Like it is within their right to treat everyone they see that way as violently as they like. You should be protecting everyone.

More like, they don't view protests against THEM as peaceful. Respect their authoritah...

 

[terry78]

This is going to be a thing for a minute.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Just so much ghoulish commentary and absurd exposure of policing culture.

You've got the people saying that Matt Gaetz is "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" saying that you can't call the shooting victim innocent because he had a pending warrant.

And then the whole "accidental" shooting justification - Firstly, stupidity isn't an excuse. Secondly, the fact that a veteran cop could make such an insane mistake speaks volumes to why no one trusts the police. And finally, after everything that happened, their first impulse is still to declare an "unlawful assembly" and brutalize mourners and protestors. How anyone can watch this and not say our entire system of policing needs to be dismantled and rebuilt is beyond me. ******* bootlickers. They say they stand for freedom, then are first in line to insist the government has a right to kill anyone who dOeSnT CoMpLY.

 

[Schlosser85]

Meanwhile of course looters taking advantage of the protests and ransacking a Dollar Tree.

 

[Iceman]

And people want it to be illegal to record the police.

Often it's the only way to hold them accountable.

If they were honest and doing things by the book they would want to be recorded for their own protection so they could easily combat any accusations.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Meanwhile of course looters taking advantage of the protests and ransacking a Dollar Tree.

I feel like looters shouldn't be grouped in with protestors. (I'm not accusing you of this)

They're opportunistic scumbags who couldn't care less about justice or civil rights.

 

[Schlosser85]

I feel like looters shouldn't be grouped in with protestors. (I'm not accusing you of this)

They're opportunistic scumbags who couldn't care less about justice or civil rights.

I deliberately referred to them as looters, not protesters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I feel like looters shouldn't be grouped in with protestors. (I'm not accusing you of this)

They're opportunistic scumbags who couldn't care less about justice or civil rights.

People loot for different reasons. Some are taking advantages, others need it to survive. Either way, such rhetoric is why the cops feel fine beating them half to death and you know, just killing them. Stealing a lamp, food or a super expensive appliance is a crime. But treating looting like it is such a massive issue or that those who do it are somehow incredibly scummy for doing it, is exactly how the cops get away with just labelling everyone looters and rioters, and rolling over them with impunity.

Looting is like a level Z problem in all of this. That it spoken about so prominently, is a bigger issue then the actual looting.

 

[Snow Queen]

The response looting gets always feels pretty disproportionate to me. I'm not saying it's a great thing to do, but I feel like people often follow that rabbit hole down in the way the police want people to because it allows them to have justification for when they assault protesters. We even saw media sources get called on this kind of thing early last summer when the media attention followed looters and allowed a blind eye to be cast on what the police were doing to protesters. The vitriol that follows the subject from some corners often feels like it dwarfs the reaction towards actual murders.

 

[Sithborg]

This is going to be a thing for a minute.

I mean, Minneapolis is a powder keg. That this happened during the Chauvin trial especially caused a lot of tensions.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

People loot for different reasons. Some are taking advantages, others need it to survive. Either way, such rhetoric is why the cops feel fine beating them half to death and you know, just killing them. Stealing a lamp, food or a super expensive appliance is a crime. But treating looting like it is such a massive issue or that those who do it are somehow incredibly scummy for doing it, is exactly how the cops get away with just labelling everyone looters and rioters, and rolling over them with impunity.

Looting is like a level Z problem in all of this. That it spoken about so prominently, is a bigger issue then the actual looting.

Looting and rioting from the left were repeatedly used as justification for January 6th. That's how dangerous it is.

I know a coup and police executing people is much worse but the reality is this is ultimately a propoganda war and looting and rioting is used effectively to discredit the left and slowly chip away at desperately needed margins in the House and Senate and also public approval for criminal justice reform.

We're facing fascism and the end of democracy and these morons are stealing junk from Dollar Tree so Trump and his cult have more ammo in this razor thin propaganda war.

I really hope those potato chips and captain crunch boxes are worth it.

 

[squeekness]

The footage is super clear. She yells taser and right after she shoots him and he drives away, she is in obvious shock and tells her fellow obvious she shot him like she can't believe it happened. This is why we should hold cops to a higher standard, not a lower one. When they "mess up", they can and do kill people.

I agree that it was an accident on her part, more a manslaughter than a murder like George Floyd. What bothers me is the kid tried to get back into the car. If he had just done what the cops told him to -- and these cops were calm and polite, unlike the pepper spray incident where there was no attempt to de-escalate. I'm just as bothered by the kid trying to run as I am by the female cop's mistake.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree that it was an accident on her part, more a manslaughter than a murder like George Floyd. What bothers me is the kid tried to get back into the car. If he had just done what the cops told him to -- and these cops were calm and polite, unlike the pepper spray incident where there was no attempt to de-escalate. I'm just as bothered by the kid trying to run as I am by the female cop's mistake.

People run. They get scared. Kid might of had a warrant, but the reason they pulled him over was BS and that will put the fear of God in you real quick. It's hard to really explain what it is like to be bullied by the police. To fear their very existence, because they are legit threat to you no matter what you do.

The kid didn't try to harm anyone and if he got away, the cops could have picked him up another day. They had his name, his license plate. Cops are suppose to be the one cool heads. Those that understand the stakes. We entrust them with that, and from the moment they decided to pull over that kid, they showed why we shouldn't.

 

[terry78]

You see in most of these instances the guy basically doesn't "comply" but that's also a gray area when you see the army lieutenant that did and got sprayed for his trouble.

 

[Teelie]

People loot for different reasons. Some are taking advantages, others need it to survive. Either way, such rhetoric is why the cops feel fine beating them half to death and you know, just killing them. Stealing a lamp, food or a super expensive appliance is a crime. But treating looting like it is such a massive issue or that those who do it are somehow incredibly scummy for doing it, is exactly how the cops get away with just labelling everyone looters and rioters, and rolling over them with impunity.

Looting is like a level Z problem in all of this. That it spoken about so prominently, is a bigger issue then the actual looting.

The response looting gets always feels pretty disproportionate to me. I'm not saying it's a great thing to do, but I feel like people often follow that rabbit hole down in the way the police want people to because it allows them to have justification for when they assault protesters. We even saw media sources get called on this kind of thing early last summer when the media attention followed looters and allowed a blind eye to be cast on what the police were doing to protesters. The vitriol that follows the subject from some corners often feels like it dwarfs the reaction towards actual murders.

Up until fairly recently (and even still in some countries), theft was a crime punishiable by death in a lot of the world. It is a hold over from then that we treat people who loot and steal while others are protesting as a higher crime and the cops and right wingers are all too happy to associate the two.

The fact some people loot food is entirely seperate from someone who goes and steals expensive electronics. Someone stealing to survive (food) is not as much a problem as someone stealing just to improve their own life (electronics), although I understand their motivation as likely they couldn't normally afford it (which is itself another problem). Still stealing but looking at it with one cynical eye is ignoring why so many of these people were looting in the first place.

I agree that it was an accident on her part, more a manslaughter than a murder like George Floyd. What bothers me is the kid tried to get back into the car. If he had just done what the cops told him to -- and these cops were calm and polite, unlike the pepper spray incident where there was no attempt to de-escalate. I'm just as bothered by the kid trying to run as I am by the female cop's mistake.

Right up to "had he just done what the cops told him to" I was with you. Doing what the cops say when you are a black man is not helpful. This guy did nothing to justify being pulled over. I would be in a defensive/evasive position too had it been me. As terry78 pointed out even doing what they say does not save you from cops abuse of power. They have impunity from paying for their crimes because they wear a badge.

They tried to arrest him for having a car freshner hanging from his mirror over then make some claim about a warrant? He was probably panicked and had no idea what was going on. Interactions with the cops even when you are not a suspect in a crime can be a fraught process. I have had to deal with cops several times over the years as either a witness to a crime or in the process of them investigating one and it is never comfortable even though they know I am not who they are looking for.

Being a young black man in Minnesota? This kid knew he was in danger.

 

[Pink Ranger]

A taser is a deadly weapon too and can kill people. Why does the cop have to go for a weapon at all as their default option when the person doesn't present an immediate threat?