Bohemian Rhapsody

[MOVIELORD101]

Right. It's the same reason I'm still able to enjoy The Usual Suspects, Se7en, House of Cards, The Pianist, and Rosemary's Baby.

Love the films and performances. The filmmakers themselves (Singer, Spacey, Polanski) are ****bags.

That's exactly what I've been saying. Thanks dude!

 

[Heretic]

Can it though? I won't watch a Victor Salva movie because it disgusts me that people give him money after he used his position as a director to sexually assault a child.

Again...USED HIS POSITION AS DIRECTOR. He used the movie as a weapon. The art is a weapon in the crime, so it makes no sense to me to separate the two.

And in these accusations, it is repeatedly claimed that Singer uses his position as a director to either get his victims alone or to try to silence them in the immediate aftermath. His movies are (allegedly) a weapon.

Note: I also have never seen a Polanski film and my life has somehow turned out okay having never seen them.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Salva's movie's are garbage anyway, but that's besides the point.

 

[Deck Rickard]

If anyone starts giving Malek or the other people involved with this film **** for working with Singer, then I sure as hell hope none of them have ever worked with Polanski.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

If anyone starts giving Malek or the other people involved with this film **** for working with Singer, then I sure as hell hope none of them have ever worked with Polanski.

I believe Malek's claim of not knowing, JSYK.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I do find it somewhat odd that Malek is not thanking Singer in his speeches. Like at all. I do hope one day we hear about what really went on set between them. I get he does’t want that association effect the movie, but it’s strange nonetheless it was Singer who directed his performance.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I believe Malek's claim of not knowing, JSYK.

Yeah, it's possible he didn't know. I know this allegations have been out for a while but it's been swept under the rug a lot for Singer.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do find it somewhat odd that Malek is not thanking Singer in his speeches. Like at all. I do hope one day we hear about what really went on set between them. I get he does’t want that association effect the movie, but it’s strange nonetheless it was Singer who directed his performance.

I remember hearing rumblings that they didn't get along.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

I remember hearing rumblings that they didn't get along.

Yeah, again I chalk Singer's erratic behavior and absence to him worried that he's "next" around the time Weinstein got charged. Fox divorced him from that movie in relation to marketing for a reason.

 

[AResistor]

Can it though? I won't watch a Victor Salva movie because it disgusts me that people give him money after he used his position as a director to sexually assault a child.

I can't watch a Kevin Spacey movie in the same way again. All I see is a disgusting old man who raped a kid who was my age (Richard Dreyfuss' son). That just really creeps me out, it's impossible for me to see Spacey and not think of that story.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Right. It's the same reason I'm still able to enjoy The Usual Suspects, Se7en, House of Cards, The Pianist, and Rosemary's Baby.

Love the films and performances. The filmmakers themselves (Singer, Spacey, Polanski) are ****bags.

Art is a a product of the artist. You can't separate them, and that is a good thing imo. It reminds you how predators can and do hide in plain sight. I still love Baby Drive, even as I know who Kevin Spacey really is. I do find it strange when people say they can separate them, because well, that just doesn't really hold water.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I can't watch a Kevin Spacey movie in the same way again. All I see is a disgusting old man who raped a kid who was my age (Richard Dreyfuss' son). That just really creeps me out, it's impossible for me to see Spacey and not think of that story.

I guess watching a movie like Seven would be easier since he's playing a monster.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Aximili86]

Nothing's ever stuck with Singer, keep that in mind. It's not the same thing as a Polanski or even a Spacey, the accusations against the guy have been found to be unreliable.

I sort of tend to think something may have gone on with Singer, but acting like it definitely has seems wrong given no accuser's been found to be credible. That's a little different than the other guys.

 

[InvisibleWoman]

I'm going to continue to watch Bohemian Rhapsody and the X-Men movies... yes, he's absolutely vile, but he was one person out of hundreds who worked HARD to have these movies made. It's not fair to judge a whole cast and crew for the personal actions of one man. IMO of course.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Art is a a product of the artist. You can't separate them, and that is a good thing imo. It reminds you how predators can and do hide in plain sight. I still love Baby Drive, even as I know who Kevin Spacey really is. I do find it strange when people say they can separate them, because well, that just doesn't really hold water.

But films are not the product of any 1 artist. The director is one of the most important artists in a production, that is true. But the director is still one guy. Rami Malek is also an artist. So is the cinematographer, the editor, the grip, the best boy, etc. No director ever has made a movie himself, and no actor has ever been the entire movie. Some cogs in the wheel are more important than others, but a film is still the sum of hundreds/thousands of artists working toward 1 final product. So to answer this question, can I separate Singer's work as a filmmaker from his personal life? Yes because other artists worked on this film, also. It's not just him.

I've worked a variety of film jobs, and I have worked on films with people who did things that I only learned about later. Granted, I've never worked on a major production like X-Men or Bohemian Rhapsody, but still even on my much smaller scale, I would hate for my efforts on those films to be wasted because 1 dude on set was apparently a garbage person.

 

[Herofan]

Yes, but people refuse to see a Polanski film or a Woody Allen film because of those allegations.

I'm not sure how many people do avoid Woody Allen films based on the allegations, the movies (and he himself) have always been pretty love-or-hate and with the protagonists semi-unlikeable if not creepy and yet also at least somewhat likeable.

 

[Herofan]

Art is a a product of the artist. You can't separate them, and that is a good thing imo. It reminds you how predators can and do hide in plain sight. I still love Baby Drive, even as I know who Kevin Spacey really is. I do find it strange when people say they can separate them, because well, that just doesn't really hold water.

You would have to avoid most movies if you also excluded those by people who didn't abuse but did knowingly work with abusers.

 

[Lily Adler]

‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Loses GLAAD Award Nomination Over Bryan Singer Accusations (EXCLUSIVE)

 

[Lily Adler]

****ing Singer. This is why I'm mad that this film had to be attached to him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But films are not the product of any 1 artist. The director is one of the most important artists in a production, that is true. But the director is still one guy. Rami Malek is also an artist. So is the cinematographer, the editor, the grip, the best boy, etc. No director ever has made a movie himself, and no actor has ever been the entire movie. Some cogs in the wheel are more important than others, but a film is still the sum of hundreds/thousands of artists working toward 1 final product. So to answer this question, can I separate Singer's work as a filmmaker from his personal life? Yes because other artists worked on this film, also. It's not just him.

I've worked a variety of film jobs, and I have worked on films with people who did things that I only learned about later. Granted, I've never worked on a major production like X-Men or Bohemian Rhapsody, but still even on my much smaller scale, I would hate for my efforts on those films to be wasted because 1 dude on set was apparently a garbage person.

Putting other people in as a buffer doesn't change who Singer is. They are all part of the art. I am not arguing otherwise. It is like people need to be absolved from liking a movie, even though they know a bad person worked on it. That isn't necessary. You see, Kevin Spacey you know who he is. What he did. You see That Singer directed something, you know who he is. What he did. You have to make a conscious effort to "separate him" from his art, which is of course acknowledging what he did. Which means you aren't really separating anything. You are consciously attempting to ignore who they are, which means you are thinking about who they are. And is that truly separating them from the art?

Also if we get real for a moment, unless studio interference is a thing, a movie belongs to a director. It is their vision that ends up for the world to see. They are not one artist on a film. They are the artist. They touch every aspect of the film, and why a film's identity belongs to them. Also plenty of films do not have hundreds of people work on them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You would have to avoid most movies if you also excluded those by people who didn't abuse but did knowingly work with abusers.

Why would I have to avoid most movies? Did you read what I wrote? I specifically said I can still enjoy the movie. I can just do it without attempting to clear my conscious while doing so. Kevin Spacey is hilarious in Baby Driver. He is also a piece of ****. I still hate him, I still love the movie.

 

[InvisibleWoman]

‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Loses GLAAD Award Nomination Over Bryan Singer Accusations (EXCLUSIVE)

Such a slap in the face to all the other people who worked on this movie. By all means ensure that Singer is not nominated for any awards for his specific contribution to the movie, but don't penalise the entire production. He was fired during the making of the movie so it's not as if he deserves sole Directing credit anyway!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Putting other people in as a buffer doesn't change who Singer is. They are all part of the art. I am not arguing otherwise. It is like people need to be absolved from liking a movie, even though they know a bad person worked on it. That isn't necessary. You see, Kevin Spacey you know who he is. What he did. You see That Singer directed something, you know who he is. What he did. You have to make a conscious effort to "separate him" from his art, which is of course acknowledging what he did. Which means you aren't really separating anything. You are consciously attempting to ignore who they are, which means you are thinking about who they are. And is that truly separating them from the art?

Also if we get real for a moment, unless studio interference is a thing, a movie belongs to a director. It is their vision that ends up for the world to see. They are not one artist on a film. They are the artist. They touch every aspect of the film, and why a film's identity belongs to them. Also plenty of films do not have hundreds of people work on them.

When I watch a movie, I don't think of these things while watching it. When I watch things, I am looking through the prism of the world presented to me and thinking of the movie. The only time I may think of those things is when the movie is over or when I am discussing it. But when I watch like Baby Driver, I am not in that moment thinking about what Kevin Spacey did. I am experiencing the story. This may be different for you and you may not experience watching movies/shows that way. But that's how it works for me watching them.

As for the director part, as noted prior, the director is one of the most important cogs in the wheel, but it's not entirely his movie. Unless they also wrote, produced, etc. Then it is more clearly their movie as they had hands in many pies. Yes I know some films have smaller crews. I have worked on some skeleton crews in my time. But we're talking Hollywood. Hundreds work on your average Hollywood movie.

 

[Herofan]

Why would I have to avoid most movies? Did you read what I wrote? I specifically said I can still enjoy the movie. I can just do it without attempting to clear my conscious while doing so. Kevin Spacey is hilarious in Baby Driver. He is also a piece of ****. I still hate him, I still love the movie.

Fair points and positions. I thought you meant that (trying to) separate the art from the artist was immoral and so shouldn't be done, both should be avoided, but yeah they are at least somewhat unavoidably linked even if we can and do separate our reactions to them.