BOUGHT/THOUGHT "End Of War Special" Feb 21st

Dibny is far from dead, bet on it. He has Neron right where he wants him.

52# 42 PICK OF THE WEEK, Ralph Dibny, hero of the week. 52 has made me a huge fan of this character. I also hope he comes back. At first it was kinda hard to believe he went through all this pain and struggle to set Neron and Faust up, but after getting sucked in, it made for one hell of a story arc. And after Cap's "No-Duh" moment in CW, it made me appreciate DC's effort to show that heroes can win battles with their brains too.

Punisher War Journal: WOW, that was a shocker. After the first scene with the bartender, i knew it was Frank. But i thought
He would only take out a few of the villians, especially them being at a wake (Was spidey in on the plan? Bc he took the Puma and Prowler out of there.) but to kill all those villians?
I thought that was a bad move for marvel, especially with there going to be 50 freakin' superteams out there now. And i really liked
The Rhino
too, hope he somehow survived.
 
Amazing Spider-Man 538 - 3 out of 5. I would have given it a 4, but I had to take a point off because I saw it coming.
 
52 WEEK #42:[/b] The issue focuses on resolving Ralph Dibney's storyline, and the twist was interesting, but it just felt so sudden; like, "40 weeks of buildup to THAT" and naturally as a fan I felt Dibney deserved a better ending then, gasp, more tragedy. In this issue, Elongated Man dies. He dies in order to trap Felix Faust, who was posing as Fate the entire time, and Neron, the demon he was hoping to appease with Dibney's soul. But he still dies and it is a reminder that as much flack Marvel is getting for plunging head-first into depressing nihilistic tragedy 24/7, DC made that trend uber popular again with IDENTITY CRISIS. So you can scratch off another member of the JLI team. Oh, and DC's new Question attempts to see herself, and GA gets an origin. After all that work to recover from his loss, uncovering Supernova, and going through the trials of Fate to save his wife, he just goes and gets killed for his effort anyway, his only prize is mystically entrapping two C-List DC villians even hardcore fans might not care about. How depressing. What next, Marvel kills Aunt May again?

Nevermind. So, just wasn't into this issue. Now I know that DC is also playing the "perpetual crossover event" card and making ANOTHER weekly series after 52 ends. Talk about a one-trick pony, eh? I likely won't be aboard.

I guess I see it rather differently. If Ralph is indeed dead then he is reuinted with his dead wife in the afterworld which is all Ralph wanted. He went out defeating the bad guys not by being a chump - defeating two guys I might add one who one is basically the DCU's devil and the other who have caused the whole JLA many troubles in the past (I'm not really sure how you can call either of them C-List) - and Ralph defeated them on his own. If someone had said about two or three years ago that DC were going to write a series where Elongated Man defeats Felix Faust and Neron at the same time people would laughed in their faces and said that people at DC must be going insane but this worked.

This all together really doesn't seem to depressive to me - I don't think a death always means it's depressive. I'm a big fan of Ralph and I think this is far from a "depressing nihilistic tragedy".

But I guess it's down to how you interpret it.
 
I guess I see it rather differently. If Ralph is indeed dead then he is reuinted with his dead wife in the afterworld which is all Ralph wanted. He went out defeating the bad guys not by being a chump - defeating two guys I might add one who one is basically the DCU's devil and the other who have caused the whole JLA many troubles in the past (I'm not really sure how you can call either of them C-List) - and Ralph defeated them on his own. If someone had said about two or three years ago that DC were going to write a series where Elongated Man defeats Felix Faust and Neron at the same time people would laughed in their faces and said that people at DC must be going insane but this worked.

This all together really doesn't seem to depressive to me - I don't think a death always means it's depressive. I'm a big fan of Ralph and I think this is far from a "depressing nihilistic tragedy".

But I guess it's down to how you interpret it.

Not to mention I wonder if the Elongated Man can heal his own wounds, using his body's elasticity. It's still one hell of a way for him to go out. Classic super hero fashion.
 
52# 42 PICK OF THE WEEK, Ralph Dibny, hero of the week. 52 has made me a huge fan of this character. I also hope he comes back. At first it was kinda hard to believe he went through all this pain and struggle to set Neron and Faust up, but after getting sucked in, it made for one hell of a story arc. And after Cap's "No-Duh" moment in CW, it made me appreciate DC's effort to show that heroes can win battles with their brains too.

Punisher War Journal: WOW, that was a shocker. After the first scene with the bartender, i knew it was Frank. But i thought
He would only take out a few of the villians, especially them being at a wake (Was spidey in on the plan? Bc he took the Puma and Prowler out of there.) but to kill all those villians?
I thought that was a bad move for marvel, especially with there going to be 50 freakin' superteams out there now. And i really liked
The Rhino
too, hope he somehow survived.

Yea,I don't see every single person at the bar dying from the blast.I felt bad for the villains too,this was a pretty sad story.Just when you started to care for the poor-d listed bastards,Frank takes them out.But yea,I doubt guys like the Rhino got killed.It was just an explosion after all with a little poison in their systems.
 
I haven't read the issue yet, so I don't know if I like it or not, but holy:wow:

civilwar-1.jpg

yay for mcniven

I was jumping for joy when I turned to that.Mark's been using Herc alot in this mini,I hope he's involved in Mark's next project,or at least the upcoming Champions book.
 
I was jumping for joy when I turned to that.Mark's been using Herc alot in this mini,I hope he's involved in Mark's next project,or at least the upcoming Champions book.

Does anyone know what happens to Herc post Civil War? I don't see him on anyone's roster, should've been on NAs, since MAs have Aries. Speaking of which, don't know if anyone brought this up bf, but does anyone think that Ares is a clone? Since Pym and Stark have a thing for cloning gods.
 
Does anyone know what happens to Herc post Civil War? I don't see him on anyone's roster, should've been on NAs, since MAs have Aries. Speaking of which, don't know if anyone brought this up bf, but does anyone think that Ares is a clone? Since Pym and Stark have a thing for cloning gods.

cloning ares would be a giant mistake on marvel's part.
 
Since they 1)Already did it with thor. And 2) Would be very stupid.
 
Immortal Iron Fist #3: Finally, #3 came out and it was a great read! The issue starts off with Bei Bang-Wei. An Iron Fist of the past who led a battle against the British. It was cool to see this Iron Fist, all the past Iron Fists have been great. We then get a look see at Danny Rand, the current Iron Fist, suiting up and getting ready to look for someone also using the Iron Fist power. Iron Fist's path leds him to a crime scene that took place somewhere in Chinatown, and believes it was the person using the Iron Fist that caused it. We also get a look see at how Danny reacts to the events of Civil War and how he tries to avoid anything that has to do with S.H.I.E.L.D. When Danny is on a rooftop, he sees a SHIELD copter patrolling the rooftops, and then dodges it so it doesn't catch him. Danny soon decides that Iron Fist might not find the answers, but maybe just Danny Rand can. So Danny heads back to Rand Corp....We get a look see at Orson Randall's past, and we see that he was in Paris. Out of all the Iron Fists, it's really interesting to see that he's still alive after all this time. Steel Serpent shows up, and talks with Wei-Go. Steel Serpent wants to hunt and then kill Iron Fist with the help of HYDRA soldiers. So I think we'll see this plan in action in #4. Back to Danny, when he returns to Rand Corp, he meets someone and questions who the person is. It's none other than Orson Randall! Finally the two Iron Fists meet and both clash in an awesome way. Orson was also looking for Danny, and knew exactly where to find him. Danny wastes no time and tries to hit Orson with his Iron Fist. This fight was really awesome, seeing Danny and Orson fight against eachother was great. Orson also uses the Iron Fist power and blocks Danny's attacks. It's soon later that Orson reveals that he knew Danny's father. Danny stops his attacks, and then finds out that Orson taught his father everything he knew! So with that, I think Danny will want to know everything now that he knows who Orson is. Can't wait to see this, #4 needs to get here! This was a great issue, and it really picked up where #2 left off. Great art, great writing and the new Iron Fist suit that was shown looked awesome! I loved this issue, and can't wait for #4.

9/10

More reviews to come, Punisher: War Journal and Civil ****ing War!!
 
I was dissapointed with this week's Illuminati. I thought it would be set in the past like the first issue, I mean further in the past. I was really hoping that this would be set around the time of the Infinity Guantlet mini. I at least hope that the next issue will be around the 80s Secret Wars and not the current one.
 
I Enjoyed She Hulk #16. But I do have one complaint, Wendigo is not Canada's anwer to Bigfoot. Bigfoot is Canada's answer to Bigfoot...I love the "Juggernaut's Sloppy Seconds" Line coming back again though. Classic Slott. And she so did sleep with Juggy.
 
Not to mention I wonder if the Elongated Man can heal his own wounds, using his body's elasticity. It's still one hell of a way for him to go out. Classic super hero fashion.

I've seen better "heroic deaths", but I'll give you that, at least he sacrificed himself to beat some mystical baddies at their own game. He didn't get punked like Jack-of-Hearts or Ant-Man II. Or even Spoiler. Or Hawkeye. Even though he got better.

I guess I see it rather differently. If Ralph is indeed dead then he is reuinted with his dead wife in the afterworld which is all Ralph wanted. He went out defeating the bad guys not by being a chump - defeating two guys I might add one who one is basically the DCU's devil and the other who have caused the whole JLA many troubles in the past (I'm not really sure how you can call either of them C-List) - and Ralph defeated them on his own. If someone had said about two or three years ago that DC were going to write a series where Elongated Man defeats Felix Faust and Neron at the same time people would laughed in their faces and said that people at DC must be going insane but this worked.

This all together really doesn't seem to depressive to me - I don't think a death always means it's depressive. I'm a big fan of Ralph and I think this is far from a "depressing nihilistic tragedy".

But I guess it's down to how you interpret it.

2-3 years ago Sue Dibney was still alive and we hadn't been reintroduced to overindulgence on dark tragedy again in comics. It was there, but it wasn't used as a whipping point to stir up one crossover event after the other at both companies. But it's a moot point. And no, I didn't hate IDENTITY CRISIS. I hated the big two's reaction to that and use of it's tactics for cheap sales.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm not a real DC fan. I've never claimed to be nor have I ever denied being staunchy Marvel and a fair-weather DC fan at best, knowledagble most about the Timm era cartoons and a handful of comic runs and facts gleamed from WIZARD and the 'net. Hell, I almost never post at the DC Comics Forum despite the fact that I do read a handful of DC books solely because I feel it is not my element and my judgement on DC can be ignorant at times. I honestly didn't know Neron was supposed to be DC's equalivent to Mephisto (or Satannish or Blackheart or any one of Marvel's big league demons). To be fair, whenever I've lurked at people posting about JLA villians, I almost never see anyone mentioning Faust. Darkseid, Amazo, Despero, Mongul, White Martians, the Injustice Gang, the Key, etc, but rarely Faust. But, again, not a real DC fan, so maybe I'm off on this too.

Yes, I know in death he is reunited with his wife and all that baloney. I just wanted more for him than to croak I guess. He'd been through a lot. At least I could say he did go down a hero vs. an alcoholic, suicidal mess. I just didn't want him to die. He'd been through enough. To each their own. I've officially gone numb to all the death and destruction from the Big Two I guess. I'm spent. You can only cheer or howl before your throat runs dry, and that is where I am at. I'll admit it could have been handled worse, and at least EM's death mattered to someone.
 
I'd also like to throw in my 2 cents on JSA #3 and Detective #828,which I got a week or 2 late.JSA kept it coming with the goods and then some.Love the sense of urgency and the pace this book is going at.Dini's Batman hasn't become dull at all with all these done in ones.
 
i don't know why everyone is in a tizzy.

may's not dead.

she got shot.

Why would Spider-Man be in "mourning" enough to don his black costume with a new darker outlook on life (at least in ASM; every other book he's been his usual peachy self, although with Spidey, wisecrackin' to mask pain is par for the course) if May didn't die? Why bother having her get shot if you don't follow through? It's one of those no-win situations.

I will give JMS props for having it be curtesy of the Kingpin, a former Spidey villian who has essentially become DD's #1 big bad to the point where many would almost forget he did spar with the web-slinger first. The lazy man's executioner would have been Osborn or Venom. JMS instead went for "dish best served cold" with Kingpin, especially since Fisk is already in prison so there is not much Spider-Man could do against him, least without becoming the Punisher or venting his rage on the hitman. I'll give JMS that.

But this is been there, done that, and done better with May. Just Marvel believes all stories from the Clone era are tainted, even the good ones, so maybe they want to "do it our way". Violent, ugly, tragic. Poingancy is for wimps it seems.
 
Dread, I can't wait for your Immortal Iron Fist review. :D
 
Does anyone know what happens to Herc post Civil War? I don't see him on anyone's roster, should've been on NAs, since MAs have Aries. Speaking of which, don't know if anyone brought this up bf, but does anyone think that Ares is a clone? Since Pym and Stark have a thing for cloning gods.

I asked Tom B this at CBR months ago about Herc,Cloak and Dagger,all he said was "wait and see".:whatever:

But who knows,Millar obviously likes the guy since he said so on his board, he gave him a good role and lots of unexpected gametime.(C'mon,was anyone really talking about Hercules before CW?Besides his crashing an Avengers funeral?)

Could also play a part in the upcoming Champions book and World War Hulk.Let's not forget that Giant-Size Hulk from last year where the story ended with Herc saying something about helping Hulk out if he ever needed him when the time comes.
 
Immortal Iron Fist #3: Finally, #3 came out and it was a great read! The issue starts off with Bei Bang-Wei. An Iron Fist of the past who led a battle against the British. It was cool to see this Iron Fist, all the past Iron Fists have been great. We then get a look see at Danny Rand, the current Iron Fist, suiting up and getting ready to look for someone also using the Iron Fist power. Iron Fist's path leds him to a crime scene that took place somewhere in Chinatown, and believes it was the person using the Iron Fist that caused it. We also get a look see at how Danny reacts to the events of Civil War and how he tries to avoid anything that has to do with S.H.I.E.L.D. When Danny is on a rooftop, he sees a SHIELD copter patrolling the rooftops, and then dodges it so it doesn't catch him. Danny soon decides that Iron Fist might not find the answers, but maybe just Danny Rand can. So Danny heads back to Rand Corp....We get a look see at Orson Randall's past, and we see that he was in Paris. Out of all the Iron Fists, it's really interesting to see that he's still alive after all this time. Steel Serpent shows up, and talks with Wei-Go. Steel Serpent wants to hunt and then kill Iron Fist with the help of HYDRA soldiers. So I think we'll see this plan in action in #4. Back to Danny, when he returns to Rand Corp, he meets someone and questions who the person is. It's none other than Orson Randall! Finally the two Iron Fists meet and both clash in an awesome way. Orson was also looking for Danny, and knew exactly where to find him. Danny wastes no time and tries to hit Orson with his Iron Fist. This fight was really awesome, seeing Danny and Orson fight against eachother was great. Orson also uses the Iron Fist power and blocks Danny's attacks. It's soon later that Orson reveals that he knew Danny's father. Danny stops his attacks, and then finds out that Orson taught his father everything he knew! So with that, I think Danny will want to know everything now that he knows who Orson is. Can't wait to see this, #4 needs to get here! This was a great issue, and it really picked up where #2 left off. Great art, great writing and the new Iron Fist suit that was shown looked awesome! I loved this issue, and can't wait for #4.

9/10

Nice review. :up:
 
I will run down my street naked the day The Iron Fist dislikes an Iron Fist comic.
 
DREAD'S BOUGHT/THOUGHT for 2/21/07 Part 2:

NEW AVENGERS: THE ILLUMINATI #2:
Much better than most of Bendis' non CW issues of NEW AVENGERS, the retconning machine continues. Merrily, Bendis is teamed with Reed (MS. MARVEL) which is probably why the continuity is so tight and an action sequence is included in every issue (Bendis believes both are "beneathe him"). This one is cast "a few months ago", or at least back when SHE-HULK originally wrapped, noting that Titannia had the Power Gem (this was maybe circa 1-2 years ago). Reed, believing that leaving the remaining Infinity Gems laying about for Thanos or any megalomanica to collect is too risky, especially as they've had to stop someone empowered with the Gauntlet twice. However, not everyone is in agreement with Reed, especially as there are concerns that the lure of the gems could be corrupting Reed. Splitting into teams, they all collect the gems before the Watcher comes down and pouts at Reed, getting him to surrender the gauntlet and divide the gems amungst his Illuminati partners, beliving they are safer in their hands than laying about the universe. In a way I can understand both positions of the arguement here, although I again state that the only thing holding this concept back, beyond flagrant retcons, is the fact that "keeping this alliance secret from all friends and teammates" is not only stupid, but counter-productive. Of course, had this NOT been a secret, all their various teams would have been more unified and CW may not have happened. See why retcons suck sometimes? Aside for that, though, the art's nice and the issue is written well. Not as exciting as #1, but still plenty readable. Maybe Bendis should have Brian Reed tag along for an arc of NEW AVENGERS. Bet it'd be boss.

IMMORTAL IRON FIST #3: A book that does everything right and apparently has to struggle to sell within the Top 50, or even 55. Marvel promoted it, it has an A-List cast (Brubaker & Aja, along with Fraction & Co), and supposedly Rand's stint as DD created "buzz" for him. One believes this book should sell better. Granted, if someone said in Feb. 2006 that an Iron Fist book could actually sell above the Top 75, they'd probably been laughed at, so maybe expectations are too high. For anyone who complained about the book "being mostly Rand on rooftops talking to himself", keep in mind that basically described 25% of all of Bendis' DD issues (and I am being modest). I found it moody and kinetic, as I did with DD. As stated elsewhere, Fist gets a new costume here and I approve of it, aside for the belt tails which I feel are too easy to yank; as an ultimate fighter, Rand should leave as little as possible on his costume that can be used against him. But, the design is simple, keeps his colors and symbol, and looks more like a ninja than a dancer. Attempting to track down the source of the man who is using his "chi" to summon the iron fist (Orson Randall, WW 1 era soldier and Fist), Rand comes across a dead end but promises to use his company to combat his enemies in HYDRA. Meanwhile, Davos (Steel-Serpant) is in alliance with HYDRA in his quest for Randall, and we get a glimpse as to how HYDRA deals with minions too fearful (or smart) to act as expendible fodder. I actually like a HYDRA story that doesn't have Baron Strucker or Cap in it; makes it more interesting, especially as Iron Fist has few enemies. I do believe a rematch with Sabretooth before issue #12 is essential for rep. I like how different artists do the flashbacks, a detail I am seeing imitated in ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR this month; a good way to mix tone as well as give the main artist fewer pages and this chop down the time. Not every story needs a flashback, but if it works, it works. Rand and Randall finally meet and the pieces are starting to come together. Most past IF comics have overelied on action, but this one is taking a page from DD and trying to establish a lot of dark mood. I think it works. Besides, Rand and Randall have a short but nice exchange of iron-fisticuffs (couldn't resist). Chock Iron Fist up as another B-Lister dusted off and reinvigorated in 2006. Another solid issue. In a way, Brubaker's retcons work because he is filling in gaps in Fist's story, which happily were rarely touched in 30 years. Marvel needs more legacy heroes so fleshing out Iron Fist's history a big is an A in my book. About time Rand was defined by something other than, "oh, that dude who hangs with Luke Cage".

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #4: PWJ finally shrugs off the CW tie-ins and gets to Fraction's Punisher stories, and this one is a solid one-shot tale about various criminals attending a wake for Stilt-Man (killed by the Punisher in issue #1). There is a virtual Handbook issue of B, C, and D list villians here (including a Doombot rigged up to make it seem as if Stilt-Man was worthy of that kind of patronage, although all it can say is "KNEEL BEFORE DOOM!"). Fraction gets in a lot of mood and story here and makes this rogues seem like a little underworld community, like Flash's Rogues, which doesn't happen enough. Rhino is naturally in bandages due to last issue's pummeling at the hands of Punisher, but considering how often Rhino gets beaten, it could have been from anyone (Deadpool is next up in the "pwn Rhino-athon" apparently). He even makes Princess Python work! There are some questionable bits, though. Firstly, it didn't make sense that Prowler would attend the funeral despite Fraction's explaination. Secondly, Armadillo is supposed to be here and then headlining a Texas team in CW #7. The last comes with the issue's conclusion. As one could note in the beginning, the bartender is Frank in disguise, and after a barroom brawl and a dressing down from Spider-Man, the villians note that their short sightedness and petty jealousy of each other probably kept them from achieving victories. Then, it's revealed that Punisher has poisoned them all, and then blows up the joint to kill them all, almost like a repeat of Scourge's famous massacre at THE BAR WITH NO NAME in the 80's. That is where the third questionable comes in. Despite how cool the moment was, and how well written the issue was, I don't approve of just mass slaughtering so many villians. Sure, there is dead weight like Cat Burglar, Ringer II, and Armada, but what about Eel, Shocker, Rhino, Python, Will O' The Wisp, etc.? I know this series was about Frank killing off supervillians, so maybe it doesn't make sense to be surprised when he's actually efficient at it. But so many at once? I mean there is some leeway that some survived, as I doubt Marvel will let go of Shocker or Rhino so easily. Plus, there are so few villians these days who aren't dead, overexposed or Thunderbolts that to toss not one or two but a few dozen into the furnace, including Prowler, seems to be a waste. Does Frank even care that Prowler's been a vigilante for most of his career and barely was a petty burglar once? Probably not I guess. Anyway, maybe it seems unfair to be angry with Fraction here when the dilemma with villians is not entirely his fault. One could say, this could force Marvel writes to be creative with reinventing villians who are left, amping them, or creating bold new villians that don't suck or immediately vanish. But the cold, blunt reality is that this is not happening, and likely will never happen. Marvel believes that villians are not naunced enough and only heroes can fight heroes and garner any drama. The writers who passionately attempt to rise up the B-Listers are few and far between; even Bendis, who made an A-lister out of Purple Man, only averages 1 every 2-3 years (the Hood will be next for him). Heroes outnumber villians like 100-1 when you throw in villians who flee to Canada or ones who are Thunderbolts and if/when the villians have no advantages over any heroes, then it gets moot. Final verdict? Good issue, bad trend.

ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #39: Carey's best issue on his run yet, and that was merely because I could understand what the hell was going on. Anyway, they spun the wheel of Random FF villians to Ultimatize, and left with few options, go with Diablo the Alchamist who always looked like Liberace as a Mexican Wrestler. In a rarity for Ultimate, Carey dives facefirst into the concept of magic by having Diablo be imprisoned during the 13th century or so but using his skills to manipulate the Fantastic Four of the future into freeing him by kidnapping their loved ones. Along the way, Thing has a short but good talk with his mother. A big step up from the last issues, and with art by the always reliable Kolins and Brooks. Besides, Diablo's a nice blank slate who won't offend anyone, so Carey can go to town with him. Straightforward but solid so far.

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #6: Also straightforward but solid is another offering in this one-shot superhero adventure series from Parker & Cruz about the Silver Age founding X-Men. The gang ends up impersonated by young Skrull soldiers who also know their civilian guises from the Coffee-A-Go-Go (dopey name, but it was 1963, what do ya want), but those Skrulls have a change of heart upon learning their new pals are the X-Men and how selflessly heroic they are. They are repremanded by their boss and leave the planet. The X-Men in a way are sidelined in their own book but it is a cute little story, as everyone was fighting Skrulls in 60's stories. Not essential, but fun reading and Parker obviously likes old school stuff, a refreshing approach. A rare mini that does one-shot stories, some past issues were better and in some ways this was one of the worst of the six, but I still liked it. The next issue with Angel & Scarlet Witch sounds promising, though.
 
Dread,I doubt everyone in the bar died.I mean,it seemed pretty open ended,just showing the explosion,and sure they were poisoned,but really,these are super villains!They'll find a way around it.Like I said,no bodies and these villains were more than able to protect themselves from an explosion.
 
Mainly good stuff this week with CW, Punisher, and a few others I might post thoughts to later.

I'm just looking forward to the unthoughtout drivel I'll DEFINITELY be seeing with the conclusion of Civil War.

I almost shiver with excitement in how I KNOW the primal side of people will post.
 
A week full of big, important issues, and the one I buy is

Cable & Deadpool #37
Deadpool gets shrunk down to tiny size and has to fight Rhino. It's funny and much less complicated than some previous Cable & Deadpool arcs (which I kind of miss). You probably already know whether or not you're going to buy this comic.
 
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #4: ... One could say, this could force Marvel writes to be creative with reinventing villians who are left, amping them, or creating bold new villians that don't suck or immediately vanish....


There were some new villains created in Deadpool today, at least I've never heard of them. As for them not sucking :whatever:
 

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