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I would like to add Born of the Fourth July, and Rain Man.
Brad Pitt to play Jesse James
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DACrowe said:^ Why? Do you hate Pitt or westerns, because both have good movies in them.
Anyways here is the last western about Jesse James (albiet a crappy one) the 2001 Collin Ferrell flick about Jesse James, American Outlaws.
Those look like halloween costumes. I'm so sure they prettied up their hair back then like that.
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I can't say if I think this is a good idea right now or not. I mean I love the story Of Jesse James and some how I don't know I'm mixed about this news.
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I'm ambivalent. Pitt is almost always hit or miss and I'm not sure I trust one of the most beloved tragic heroes in history to him. Brad Pitt a lengendary outlaw? I'll reserve judgement.
I'm excited to see this. I love westerns, and if anyone doubts Pitt's ability to play Jesse James, I strongly urge you to go rent Legends of the Fall. It's definitely one of his best roles... he gives a hell of a performance in it, and though it's a film studded with top talents like Anthony Hopkins, Aidan Quinn, Henry Thomas, and Julia Ormond, Pitt owns the movie. (To be fair to the other actors, though, he is the main character).
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Oh I forgot Rain Man and the first movie to show he had talent was The Born on The Fourth of July.
And yes I hope this is a good western which we haven't had in a while. The good of the recent times have been Unforgiven, Dances With Wolves, Wyatt Earp, Tombstone, and Open Range. But every other western has been either meidocre: Young Guns and The Missing or downright bad: Young Guns II, Wild Bill, The Texas Rangers, American Outlaws, etc.
We need another good one and I hope he does James justice which means I hope he is not portrayed as a hero, maybe not all bad (like how in Wyatt Earp Kasdan did paint Earp as good, but he was a mean cuss who did some very bad things too) but certainly no hero either. So yeah.
And yes I hope this is a good western which we haven't had in a while. The good of the recent times have been Unforgiven, Dances With Wolves, Wyatt Earp, Tombstone, and Open Range. But every other western has been either meidocre: Young Guns and The Missing or downright bad: Young Guns II, Wild Bill, The Texas Rangers, American Outlaws, etc.
We need another good one and I hope he does James justice which means I hope he is not portrayed as a hero, maybe not all bad (like how in Wyatt Earp Kasdan did paint Earp as good, but he was a mean cuss who did some very bad things too) but certainly no hero either. So yeah.
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superhuman said:
I know it's been said before, but seriously, those weren't flops. That list is absurd.
DACrowe said:
What was wrong with Young Guns I and II? Those are two of my all-time favorites. I don't know how close they stuck to the actual events (though a history teacher I had in high school advised me that the first one did pretty well... then again, that teacher turned out to be a pederast and went to jail, so what the hell does he know), but nevertheless, I thought they were well acted and well directed. They're also about the only movies other than The Breakfast Club that I can recall Emelio Estevez showing any range in.
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The second was too "cheesy" and jsut felt like a bad movie.
The second actually was based on more historical events than the first (and in turn save for the stupid "Billy the Kid is alive" ending did most of the story based on real events only some character switching and weather switching and using which teory you like the best, etc).
Here is what was off on the first (not that, that is why I dislike the first or second just what they got wrong):
-The Englishman was like 24, and not in his 50s. He did not have time to train Billy the Kid to be a sophisticate when he had other things to worry about...like Murphy and Dolan's men coming to kill them at any time.
-Murphy was not the main enmey of the Lincoln County Wars, but rather he was sick and dying in bed. It was rather his second in command a man by the name of Dolan.
-Billy never admired Pat Garrett at the time, because there was nothing to admire. At this point in time he was either a stage hand, a farm hand, or a bartender.
-Billy and others ambushed Sheriff Brady behind coverage and Billy was shot in the thigh when retrieving his gun here, there was no skpping or that sort of thing.
-Billy did not have a shoot-out with Bucksot Roberts until after the Sheriff Brady incident. He hid out in an Adobe and not an outhouse. Also, after Dick died Billy did not take command until much later.
-There was no Chinese Girl that Murphy had and he certainly did not have her run off with Doc to New York.
-Chavez was likely all Mexican and not Indian.
-At the burning of McSween's house it lasted as a 5 day siege and not a 2 day siege. Billy and FIFTEEN other regulators and Mr. McSween escaped through two different backs in the darkness of night and headed for the river. McSween and four regulators were killed and one or two of the attackers were, and Murphy was dead by this point I believe so he had no part in it either. Also, Charlie and Tom were not there and did not die there.
Young Guns II
-It is likely Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid were not that close. As a matter of fact Garrett may have never even rustled with the Kid, but rather did it maybe once which explains how he knew the ends and outs of the Kids's hideaways.
-Doc and Chavez did not need rescuing from a mob. It is likely by now that Chavez was living in California and Doc in Texas where they both lived happily ever after so to speak unlike the Kid.
-After Chisum "betrayed" the Kid he just stole cattle from Chisum, he did not shoot Chisum's men for every $100 dollars.
-When the Kid and his men killed that deputy dressed as one of them it was rather he jumped through a window fearing that the mob had killed the hostage when he heard a gunshot and then was gunned down by his own men, the Kid did not throw him out there on purpose.
-The Kid was pursued by Pat Garrett from Fort Sumner in the dead of winter and in the snow! When Tom O'Fillard was shot it was a case of mistaken idenitity as Billy for he was riding in front, but he was not a "youngin'" but rather a year older (at least) than the Kid and likely the Kid's sidekick and best friend and not Doc. As he slowly died in a barn Garrett or rather his men at least played cards near by.
-When Garrett surrounded the Kid in a stone house it was Charlie (from the first movie) who stepped out in the snow and was shot and then ran out guns blazing and got gunned down in the snow and then the rest surrendered. They were taken to Santa Fe and then Lincoln County (Dave Raudabaugh escaped) and the Kid was put on trial.
-They use the theory that someone left a gun in the outhouse for the Kid to escape with, but according to the kid he just squeezed out of hte handcuffs and smacked Bell across the face or head (explaining the gashes found on the body) and then offered Bell a chancce to live but a panicked Bell was shot dead in the back with his own gun. But instead they had him try and draw on Billy when in fact Billy (by legend was remorseful about it) shot Bellin the back.
-Raudabugh may have killed the wrong two men in Mexico and was decapitated as a warning with his head used as a sign as legend has it, or he may have escaped and lived to be an old man...not sure which is true.
-The Kid took 3 and 1/2 months between escaping and running to reach Fort Sumner, so it was not like he beat his posse there (or what was left of it) from a location of capture only 12 miles away and it is likely to expect that Chavez was not fatally wounded here, because for the simple fact was Chavez was living in California at the time.
-When Garrett killed the Kid he shot him in the dark while Pete was there and the Kid never knew who shot him either. There is a descrepency when most likely he was alone when he was shot and unarmed but there was a gun found in the hand of the dead body and then what happened next was a funeral. He did die there in Fort Sumner that night.
The end.
The second actually was based on more historical events than the first (and in turn save for the stupid "Billy the Kid is alive" ending did most of the story based on real events only some character switching and weather switching and using which teory you like the best, etc).
Here is what was off on the first (not that, that is why I dislike the first or second just what they got wrong):
-The Englishman was like 24, and not in his 50s. He did not have time to train Billy the Kid to be a sophisticate when he had other things to worry about...like Murphy and Dolan's men coming to kill them at any time.
-Murphy was not the main enmey of the Lincoln County Wars, but rather he was sick and dying in bed. It was rather his second in command a man by the name of Dolan.
-Billy never admired Pat Garrett at the time, because there was nothing to admire. At this point in time he was either a stage hand, a farm hand, or a bartender.
-Billy and others ambushed Sheriff Brady behind coverage and Billy was shot in the thigh when retrieving his gun here, there was no skpping or that sort of thing.
-Billy did not have a shoot-out with Bucksot Roberts until after the Sheriff Brady incident. He hid out in an Adobe and not an outhouse. Also, after Dick died Billy did not take command until much later.
-There was no Chinese Girl that Murphy had and he certainly did not have her run off with Doc to New York.
-Chavez was likely all Mexican and not Indian.
-At the burning of McSween's house it lasted as a 5 day siege and not a 2 day siege. Billy and FIFTEEN other regulators and Mr. McSween escaped through two different backs in the darkness of night and headed for the river. McSween and four regulators were killed and one or two of the attackers were, and Murphy was dead by this point I believe so he had no part in it either. Also, Charlie and Tom were not there and did not die there.
Young Guns II
-It is likely Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid were not that close. As a matter of fact Garrett may have never even rustled with the Kid, but rather did it maybe once which explains how he knew the ends and outs of the Kids's hideaways.
-Doc and Chavez did not need rescuing from a mob. It is likely by now that Chavez was living in California and Doc in Texas where they both lived happily ever after so to speak unlike the Kid.
-After Chisum "betrayed" the Kid he just stole cattle from Chisum, he did not shoot Chisum's men for every $100 dollars.
-When the Kid and his men killed that deputy dressed as one of them it was rather he jumped through a window fearing that the mob had killed the hostage when he heard a gunshot and then was gunned down by his own men, the Kid did not throw him out there on purpose.
-The Kid was pursued by Pat Garrett from Fort Sumner in the dead of winter and in the snow! When Tom O'Fillard was shot it was a case of mistaken idenitity as Billy for he was riding in front, but he was not a "youngin'" but rather a year older (at least) than the Kid and likely the Kid's sidekick and best friend and not Doc. As he slowly died in a barn Garrett or rather his men at least played cards near by.
-When Garrett surrounded the Kid in a stone house it was Charlie (from the first movie) who stepped out in the snow and was shot and then ran out guns blazing and got gunned down in the snow and then the rest surrendered. They were taken to Santa Fe and then Lincoln County (Dave Raudabaugh escaped) and the Kid was put on trial.
-They use the theory that someone left a gun in the outhouse for the Kid to escape with, but according to the kid he just squeezed out of hte handcuffs and smacked Bell across the face or head (explaining the gashes found on the body) and then offered Bell a chancce to live but a panicked Bell was shot dead in the back with his own gun. But instead they had him try and draw on Billy when in fact Billy (by legend was remorseful about it) shot Bellin the back.
-Raudabugh may have killed the wrong two men in Mexico and was decapitated as a warning with his head used as a sign as legend has it, or he may have escaped and lived to be an old man...not sure which is true.
-The Kid took 3 and 1/2 months between escaping and running to reach Fort Sumner, so it was not like he beat his posse there (or what was left of it) from a location of capture only 12 miles away and it is likely to expect that Chavez was not fatally wounded here, because for the simple fact was Chavez was living in California at the time.
-When Garrett killed the Kid he shot him in the dark while Pete was there and the Kid never knew who shot him either. There is a descrepency when most likely he was alone when he was shot and unarmed but there was a gun found in the hand of the dead body and then what happened next was a funeral. He did die there in Fort Sumner that night.
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Casey Affleck Shoots Brad Pitt In The Back!
Relax, folks only in the Jesse James biopic
08 August 2005
Boy, the last couple of Christmasses in the Affleck household must have been tough. Sure, there would have been plenty of cheer as presents were unwrapped, crackers pulled and turkey devoured, but somewhere along the line, the familys acting siblings, Ben and Casey, would have gotten round to talking shop.
So Ben, hows it going? Not good still being hounded by the paparazzi because of the J-Lo thing, and the press are on my back over my acting. Havent they seen Changing Lanes? I mean, give a guy a break. How about you, Case? Oh, the same old. Bunch of supporting roles. Its tough getting the breakthrough I just dont have your leading man looks Bummer more egg nog?
But lately, things are finally turning round for the acting Afflecks, youll be pleased to hear. Ben did get married to a famous Jennifer the lovely Ms Garner and theyre expecting a child later this year, while hes ramping up for his directorial debut, Gone, Baby Gone.
As for Casey hes just bagged his biggest acting gig yet, starring alongside Brad Pitt in Andrew Dominiks provisionally-titled Jesse James, the latest movie version of the life and death of one of the Wild Wests most famous outlaws.
Pitt will play James in the Warner Bros. movie, based on the Robert Hanson novel, The Assassination Of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. No prizes for guessing which character Affleck will play yep, hell be the young gunslinger who joined the infamous James gang, intent on making his name. Which he did, by eventually shooting James in the back, in cold blood. The darned yeller-skinned bastid.
Affleck The Younger has been banging on the Hollywood door for a while, turning in offbeat performances in the likes of Good Will Hunting (with his bro, and good chum Matt Damon) and Gerry (with Damon again). Itll be interesting to see how he handles a large role in a movie that originates outside his immediate family circle (although, of course, he has worked with Pitt before, on the Oceans movies).
Either way, though, the involvement of Dominik who directed the wonderful Chopper marks this Western as one to watch, especially round chez Affleck
Casey Affleck Shoots Brad Pitt In The Back!
Relax, folks only in the Jesse James biopic
08 August 2005
So Ben, hows it going? Not good still being hounded by the paparazzi because of the J-Lo thing, and the press are on my back over my acting. Havent they seen Changing Lanes? I mean, give a guy a break. How about you, Case? Oh, the same old. Bunch of supporting roles. Its tough getting the breakthrough I just dont have your leading man looks Bummer more egg nog?
But lately, things are finally turning round for the acting Afflecks, youll be pleased to hear. Ben did get married to a famous Jennifer the lovely Ms Garner and theyre expecting a child later this year, while hes ramping up for his directorial debut, Gone, Baby Gone.
As for Casey hes just bagged his biggest acting gig yet, starring alongside Brad Pitt in Andrew Dominiks provisionally-titled Jesse James, the latest movie version of the life and death of one of the Wild Wests most famous outlaws.
Pitt will play James in the Warner Bros. movie, based on the Robert Hanson novel, The Assassination Of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. No prizes for guessing which character Affleck will play yep, hell be the young gunslinger who joined the infamous James gang, intent on making his name. Which he did, by eventually shooting James in the back, in cold blood. The darned yeller-skinned bastid.
Affleck The Younger has been banging on the Hollywood door for a while, turning in offbeat performances in the likes of Good Will Hunting (with his bro, and good chum Matt Damon) and Gerry (with Damon again). Itll be interesting to see how he handles a large role in a movie that originates outside his immediate family circle (although, of course, he has worked with Pitt before, on the Oceans movies).
Either way, though, the involvement of Dominik who directed the wonderful Chopper marks this Western as one to watch, especially round chez Affleck
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when will hollywood admit that the western movie era is over?
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Colin Farrell was good enough as Jesse James.
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Mary Louise Parker Joins Jesse James
Source: Calgary Sun
August 24, 2005
Mary Louise Parker will play Zee James, the outlaw's wife in The Assassination of Jesse James, reports the Calgary Sun. She joins Brad Pitt, who stars as famed gunslinger James, and Casey Affleck, who is playing the infamous Robert Ford.
Warner Bros.' adaptation of the Robert Hansen novel "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" started filming in Calgary on Monday. The film is directed by Andrew Dominik (Chopper). Brad Pitt's Plan B and Ridley and Tony Scott's Scott Free produce.
Ford is a youth who joined the James gang and went from idolizing to resenting the man known as the fastest gun in the West. He figured on making his rep by gunning down James but shot his mentor in the back, stamping himself the most famous coward around.
Mary Louise Parker Joins Jesse James
Source: Calgary Sun
August 24, 2005
Mary Louise Parker will play Zee James, the outlaw's wife in The Assassination of Jesse James, reports the Calgary Sun. She joins Brad Pitt, who stars as famed gunslinger James, and Casey Affleck, who is playing the infamous Robert Ford.
Warner Bros.' adaptation of the Robert Hansen novel "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" started filming in Calgary on Monday. The film is directed by Andrew Dominik (Chopper). Brad Pitt's Plan B and Ridley and Tony Scott's Scott Free produce.
Ford is a youth who joined the James gang and went from idolizing to resenting the man known as the fastest gun in the West. He figured on making his rep by gunning down James but shot his mentor in the back, stamping himself the most famous coward around.
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Variety recently revealed that Jeremy Renner (S.W.A.T., Dahmer) also has been added to the cast as an unspecified member of the James gang.
Andrew Dominik is directing Jesse James. He also penned the screenplay adaptation of Ron Hansen's novel. Casey Affleck co-stars as Robert Ford, James' assassin.
Variety recently revealed that Jeremy Renner (S.W.A.T., Dahmer) also has been added to the cast as an unspecified member of the James gang.
Andrew Dominik is directing Jesse James. He also penned the screenplay adaptation of Ron Hansen's novel. Casey Affleck co-stars as Robert Ford, James' assassin.
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hunter rider said:
Technically it wont be his Directorial Debut.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166222/
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Shepard Joins Pitt's Jesse James
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
September 1, 2005
Sam Shepard will star opposite Brad Pitt in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford for Warner Bros. Pictures, says The Hollywood Reporter.
The movie tells the story of how Robert Ford joined Jesse James' gang, only to become resentful of the legendary outlaw and hatch a plan to kill James, the fastest gun in the West.
Pitt is playing James, and Casey Affleck has been cast as Ford. Shepard will play James' brother, Frank.
Andrew Dominik is directing, and Ron Hansen adapted the script from his novel. Production began this week in Canada.
Pitt is producing via his Plan B Entertainment, while Ridley Scott and Tony Scott produce through Scott Free Productions.
Shepard Joins Pitt's Jesse James
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
September 1, 2005
Sam Shepard will star opposite Brad Pitt in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford for Warner Bros. Pictures, says The Hollywood Reporter.
The movie tells the story of how Robert Ford joined Jesse James' gang, only to become resentful of the legendary outlaw and hatch a plan to kill James, the fastest gun in the West.
Pitt is playing James, and Casey Affleck has been cast as Ford. Shepard will play James' brother, Frank.
Andrew Dominik is directing, and Ron Hansen adapted the script from his novel. Production began this week in Canada.
Pitt is producing via his Plan B Entertainment, while Ridley Scott and Tony Scott produce through Scott Free Productions.
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darkdonnie said:
I really doubt it,im expecting it to become just "Jess James"
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