Brave and the Bold Casting Thread

The thing is lasting for 15-20 years is literally the only reason they'd make a point at never going over 40 lol. Like I said, I don't think anyone has any doubts about the fact that a 45 year old can comfortably play Batman up till the time they end their tenure in their late 50s. Hell, an actor could probably start his tenure at 50 and end at 60 just fine as well. The "never cast over 40" only makes sense if you want to go way beyond 10 years. But 45-55, 46-57 it does not matter.
You can “lol” all you want, Eddie is still spot-on that what you have been arguing is nothing but confirmation bias, and hardly fact. We’ll see when we see. I’m not going back and forth on hypotheticals.
 
You can “lol” all you want, Eddie is still spot-on that what you have been arguing is nothing but confirmation bias, and hardly fact. We’ll see when we see. I’m not going back and forth on hypotheticals.
And yet none of you have been able to prove any of what I'm saying wrong or bring up anything that'd refute any of my arguments lol Not a single person at DC Studios has even hinted at the fact that casting young people for longevity is a priority for them. It's a thing you're all assuming based on pretty much nothing, even when the majority of the castings point to the fact they don't actually see things from that angle.
 
And yet none of you have been able to prove any of what I'm saying wrong or bring up anything that'd refute any of my arguments lol Not a single person at DC Studios has even hinted at the fact that casting young people for longevity is a priority for them. It's a thing you're all assuming based on pretty much nothing, even when the majority of the castings point to the fact they don't actually see things from that angle.
There’s nothing to prove because we only have 1 movie cast so far. There’s no substantial pattern to go off of. It’s dumb to try. You haven’t “proven” anything either, btw. You’re guessing just as much as anyone, despite your tone suggesting you know better. Spoiler alert: you don’t.
 
The thing is: I do not think Gunn gives a **** about whether or not these actors can play the characters for 20 years, which is ultimately the actual concern you are talking about for being adverse at casting 40 something year olds, because does anyone actually doubt that Lee or any actor in their mid 40s for that matter could comfortably play Batman into their late 50s, an age in which plenty of action stars still do films with a lot of stuntwork? No. That is a complete non-issue. As long as they can do the 10 year plan, it's fine. I legitimately do not think that Gunn is even remotely expecting that whoever plays Batman in the DCU is still gonna be playing him in 15, 20 years. His main priority, as I think it is for every single character he's cast so far, is whether they fit the story they're telling now and that'll end in 10 years. There is nothing, and I do mean absolutely nothing in the way he's cast any of these characters, or any statement he's given, that indicates he's particularly losing sleep over the fact that any of these people might retire after 10 years. Hell, he most likely will be gone from DC after all this ends (he's gonna be 68 and I'd figure he wants to do other stuff as well) so why would he care if some of his actors retire with him?
"I do not think" is the key phrase in your opening sentence, and that is what I'm getting at. It's impossible to predict with certainty what Gunn will do at this stage; all you can do is speculate and make assumptions about his intentions. If you honestly think that there are no good reasons—talking about none whatsoever—that Gunn might want to cast the role a little younger, then you're not being honest with yourself.
 
There’s nothing to prove because we only have 1 movie cast so far. There’s no substantial pattern to go off of. It’s dumb to try. You haven’t “proven” anything either, btw. You’re guessing just as much as anyone, despite your tone suggesting you know better. Spoiler alert: you don’t.
Well, allow me to ask then: What makes you think it's something they'd be concerned about, though? I'm genuinely curious because while Hollywood has had a large, large history of being extremely gatekeepy regarding certain type of performers, the one group of people they genuinely do not gatekeep at all is middle aged actors leading franchises and leading action films.

RDJ started his Iron Man tenure at 42, Paul Rudd started as Ant-Man at 44, Marvel just cast Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards and he's 48, Tom Cruise has made like 50 different action movies in different franchises since he turned 40, Keanu Reeves began the John Wick franchise at 49 and it's still going and he's still playing the character. That's not even to mention Liam Neeson and how he began the Taken franchise and began to delve into action roles at 55.

There's plenty to be said about ageism in Hollywood but it's definitely not directed to this particular demographic. So I'm perplexed as to why everyone here is acting like it's conventional wisdom that Hollywood wants young male action stars all the time when especially the last 20 years of action franchises seem to point to the contrary and more squarely to the fact they do not care.
 
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Well, allow me to ask then: What makes you think it's something they'd be concerned about, though? I'm genuinely curious because while Hollywood has had a large, large history of being extremely gatekeepy regarding certain type of performers, the one group of people they genuinely do not gatekeep at all is middle aged actors leading franchises and leading action films.

RDJ starting his Iron Man tenure at 42, Paul Rudd started as Ant-Man at 44, Marvel just cast Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards and he's 48, Tom Cruise has made like 50 different action movies in different franchises since he turned 40, Keanu Reeves began the John Wick franchise at 49 and it's still going and he's still playing the character. That's not even to mention Liam Neeson and how he began the Taken franchise at 55.

There's plenty to be said about ageism in Hollywood but it's differently not directed to this particular demographic. So I'm perplexed as to why everyone here is acting like it's conventional wisdom that Hollywood wants young male action stars all the time when especially the last 20 years of action franchises seem to point to the contrary.
Because Bruce isn’t typically that much older than Clark? Because Batman is potentially a more physical role than Iron Man, Ant Man, etc??? Because they might have plans for longer than a decade? I don’t know because I don’t know their plans for the character any more than you do. The difference between us is, I’m not pretending that I do. Both age ranges are still on the table, period. There are perfectly valid considerations and reasons for both. That’s all any of us have been saying.
 
Because Bruce isn’t typically that much older than Clark? Because Batman is potentially a more physical role than Iron Man, Ant Man, etc??? Because they might have plans for longer than a decade? I don’t know because I don’t know their plans for the character any more than you do. The difference between us is, I’m not pretending that I do. Both age ranges are still on the table, period. There are perfectly valid considerations and reasons for both. That’s all any of us have been saying.
It's definitely not more physically demanding than any traditional action franchise like John Wick or Mission Impossible, as half the time (and that's being generous) it isn't even the actor doing the fights because of how easy it is to hide stunt doubles in the batsuit (I'm convinced Ben Affleck only put on the suit to stand and talk lol) So I don't think the physical element is a concern here. I mean, 70 year old Michael Keaton played Batman last year. Everything about the execution of that was badly thought out but it does goes to show how the role is more flexible in that respect than other roles like this would be because of how much trickery you can get away with.


But you're right. We don't know for sure, yet. So we'll have to wait still a bit to see who James ultimately casts. I mean the only direct answer he's ever given to the "What age is Batman?" question is "We don't know because we haven't cast him yet.", but I don't know you guys are acting as I'm being unreasonable here for looking at the ages of most of the DCU actors aside from Superman and noticing most of their male heroes are in their 40s. Does that 100% determine Batman is going to be over 40? No, but I also don't think I'm being unreasonable for thinking it points in that direction.
 
... but I don't know you guys are acting as I'm being unreasonable here for looking at the ages of most of the DCU actors aside from Superman and noticing most of their male heroes are in their 40s. Does that 100% determine Batman is going to be over 40? No, but I also don't think I'm being unreasonable for thinking it points in that direction.
I think that definitely gives some of us hope that Gunn would be open to casting someone like Pace despite his age (@flickchick85 and I have both said as much in earlier posts). At the same time, it's not a guarantee either because he may want Batman to be closer in age to Supes or something to that effect. And, no, I'm not claiming that his possible desire for them to be around the same age is an undisputed fact. I'm just saying it's possible. lol
 
Batman is gonna be about 45, but after getting drugged by Talia, he starts to age like Benjamin Button. The Lazarus Pit will be akin to the Fountain of Youth, but the opposite; the goo makes him older now! It'll be like Crank, but instead of constantly moving, he has to constantly oldify himself because if he reverts back to the same age that he conceived Damien, he ouroborosizes himself then spontaneously combusts and and and Gotham falls into a pit and and and and Joker becomes President!

This is easy. Screw Matt Slowpoke Reeves.
 
Some comics writers write the Dick/Bruce relationship to be more like an older/younger brother situation rather than father/son. A Bruce in his early 20’s could’ve helped raise a 10-13 year old Dick Grayson and had even adopted him, such that Dick could’ve gone on to be Nightwing in his 20’s and Bruce only be barely into his 30’s.

There is a potential timeline where Bruce takes in Dick when Bruce was 22 and Dick is Robin for 5 years and then Bruce takes in Jason (who would be older when he takes him in. Maybe 15-17) and he’s Robin maybe 2-3 years. Bruce could be empty nest and those two could be Nightwing and Red Hood and Bruce could have Damien and still be around 35. The math works. (I don’t know how you factor in Tim and Stephanie though.)

But as everyone keeps saying: we shall see.
 
it's been obvious since this entire thing was announced batman is gonna be 40+. i don't understand why this is still a topic. lol
 
My fantasy would be for Batman to be played by some over 40/50 screen legend you'd never, ever get to sign onto multiple movies as a one-off here before dying/passing the torch to Grayson. I would instantly be very interested in this franchise if it wasn't going to be Bruce as Batman. The dynamic between Dick and Damian is the best.
 
These last two pages have been a real treat!

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I will be shocked if Talia isn't embarrassingly younger than Bruce if they cast a guy in his forties. Would be happy to be wrong though!
 
I will be shocked if Talia isn't embarrassingly younger than Bruce if they cast a guy in his forties. Would be happy to be wrong though!
Golshifteh Farahani, Angela Sarafyan, Sarah Shahi, May Calamawy, etc all feel like very plausible names to me and ones that'd be on any studio shortlist for a role like this so I personally really wouldn't be that surprised if the age gap isn't that over the top tbh.
 
If you guys had to guess, who do you guys think will be the finalists for Batman? (The way the finalists for The Batman were Nicholas Hoult and Robert Pattinson, for Superman Corenswet, Brittney and Hoult, and Supergirl Meg Donnelly and Milly Alcock)
 
If you guys had to guess, who do you guys think will be the finalists for Batman? (The way the finalists for The Batman were Nicholas Hoult and Robert Pattinson, for Superman Corenswet, Brittney and Hoult, and Supergirl Meg Donnelly and Milly Alcock)
Jacob Elordi and Tom Bateman
 
Elordi (who was my Superman choice) would be amazing but he's so far removed Gunn's type and also the story the movie is telling.
I was just messing around with @Invader Joker because he hates those two guys. But I do think Elordi would have been an excellent choice if Gunn wasn't looking for someone a little older.
 

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