Ben's death taught Peter about responsibility, which we saw in Spidey 1. The lesson Peter learns in Spidey 3 is more complex. A NEW level of responsibility- that even though he might be right, it's more important that he's JUST. This lesson can only be learned if Sandman is guilty.
That's no lesson at all. Peter knows that he shouldn't go hurt innocent people.
Exactly. And this can only happen if he's going after someone who's actually guilty. If he goes after someone who's innocent, what does he learn?
Not to hurt the wrong people? Not to trust info from the police? Not to wear alien costumes?
What are you basing this on? In every scene shown, and in the novel, Sandman does his best to put Spidey's lights out. Hardly a gesture of forgiveness.
EXACTLY. He learns the lesson that Revenge is WRONG- Even if the person you're after is GUILTY.
It doesn't disregard it in anyway. AGAIN- Peter lets a criminal go free- and because of that- BEN DIES. Who pulled the trigger doesn't matter. Peter's vain inaction is what leads to Ben's death.
That's where you're wrong. A person who kills can still be sympathetic. That's why there are different levels of criminality when it comes to killings. There's First degree, Second degree, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide- There can be mitigating circumstances. And that's what Peter learns- It isn't always black and white. There are shades of gray. That's something a number of folks here need to realize as well.
So you're saying there's no such thing as accidental shootings? Marko points the gun at Ben to scare him- and Marko himself is scared. They struggle and the gun goes off accidentally.
Obviously not. Marko shot Ben because Peter let the carjacker/burglar/whatever get away. No robbery means no carjacking- which means Ben lives. That simple.
No it isn't, because its not a twist. Harry has his own agenda which continues after Peter has defeated Sandman. There's never a point where Peter is in a position to harm Sandman- when he becomes aware of any parallel with Harry. When Peter and Sandman have their FINAL confrontation Harry has forgiven Peter, and Peter is somewhat at Sandman's mercy. So Peter suddenly realizing some parallel with Harry's anger is moot.
Dude, the fact that you equate a gun-toting criminal, albeit with a heart of gold, shooting someone with said gun, to Aunt May being Carnage already reflects your extreme position on the matter. And many of the points you raise reflect that you haven't looked at this scenario from all the angles. You're starting from the point of some perceived bastardization of Spidey's origin because one character as opposed to another pulled the trigger in Ben's death, without realizing that it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger. Only what Peter did and did not do.
Sam Raimi is a skilled storyteller. Again- maybe if you opened your mind to the possibility that he thought this through before committing millions of dollars to this enterprise you might actually be able to enjoy this film. If not, that's your choice.
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