Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 4

[Christopher Nolan]

Let's connect the dots, shall we?

1. Bin Laden was still an operational leader of Al Qaeda.
2. Two couriers were his only contact with the outside world.
3. Al Qaeda committed plenty of fatal attacks in the last 6 years.

wasnt al qaeda created by cia?

 

[chaseter]

If we knew exactly where he had been living for a while...why didn't we follow some of the couriers and gather intel from who they were reporting to? I understand wanting to get that sob asap but I wonder if we even tried to get more intel than just shooting him in the face and getting out of there???

 

[papie]

Not a hair better than the terrorists. Innocent(until proven guilty) lives were lost, this is regrettable.

 

[hippie_hunter]

wasnt al qaeda created by cia?

No.

 

[redfirebird2008]

wasnt al qaeda created by cia?

That is debatable. We know the CIA funded and supplied weapons to the Mujahideenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan against the Soviets. However, Al Qaeda was not created until the war was pretty much over.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

That is debatable. We know the CIA funded and supplied weapons to the Mujahideen against the Soviets. However, Al Qaeda was not created until the war was pretty much over.

i recommend to watch the power of nightmares, a bbc docu. you can find it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

 

[Kelly]

wasnt al qaeda created by cia?

I think you could debate pretty strongly that the cia created the Taliban as a possibility, but no I don't believe you can attach them too al qaeda...but that would be an interesting debate.

 

[papie]

I think you could debate pretty strongly that the cia created the Taliban as a possibility, but no I don't believe you can attach them too al qaeda...but that would be an interesting debate.

The resistance force in Afghanistan was trained and financed by CIA. Osama Bin Laden was a part of that force. He created Al Qaeda before all that.

Incredibly irrelevant because it was to stop the Sovjet Invasion. Any country hates invasions.

 

[redfirebird2008]

The resistance force in Afghanistan was trained and financed by CIA. Osama Bin Laden was a part of that force. He created Al Qaeda before all that.

Incredibly irrelevant because it was to stop the Sovjet Invasion. Any country hates invasions.

Al Qaeda was created in 1988. The CIA began funding the Afghan Mujahideen in 1978.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

the cia did play a role in the creation of al qaeda...

 

[papie]

Well, after reading up some more because I was apparently not so well informed.

The Operation Cyclone was started in 1979 and peaked near the end, in 1989.

Al Qaeda was therefore formed at the peak of the support of the CIA. At this point, Osama Bin Laden had become a major leader in the Mujahideen resistance.
Notable fact is that no training or supplying of arms was done by the USA but they just paid Pakistan to do that for them.
Osama Bin Laden was a good friend of a Pakistani general.

After that, they turned against USA when they were not allowed to protect Saudi Arabia in the first Gulf War but the USA was. The deployment of US troops was what made him an enemy of the US.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The resistance force in Afghanistan was trained and financed by CIA. Osama Bin Laden was a part of that force. He created Al Qaeda before all that.

Incredibly irrelevant because it was to stop the Sovjet Invasion. Any country hates invasions.

al-Qaeda was created after AFTER the Soviets started to pull out of Afghanistan in 1988 and it became more of a terrorist group after the Gulf War when the Saudi Royal Family turned down bin Laden's offer to help defend Saudi Arabia against an Iraqi invasion in favor of American troops and American troops staying in Islamic holy land after the war and the threat of Saddam was neutralized.

Before al-Qaeda, bin Laden was a part of the Afghan Mujahideen, which was a rebel force to drive the Soviets out and topple the communist government in Afghanistan.

al-Qaeda and the Afghan Mujahideen are not the same thing.

 

[papie]

al-Qaeda was created after AFTER the Soviets started to pull out of Afghanistan in 1988 and it became more of a terrorist group after the Gulf War when the Saudi Royal Family turned down bin Laden's offer to help defend Saudi Arabia against an Iraqi invasion in favor of American troops and American troops staying in Islamic holy land after the war and the threat of Saddam was neutralized.

Before al-Qaeda, bin Laden was a part of the Afghan Mujahideen, which was a rebel force to drive the Soviets out and topple the communist government in Afghanistan.

al-Qaeda and the Afghan Mujahideen are not the same thing.

See my post above yours..

 

[hippie_hunter]

See my post above yours..

The CIA never really supported al-Qaeda, they supported Afghan rebels. The CIA without a doubt had a role in the formation of al-Qaeda, but that's a lot different than actual support.

Osama bin Laden even said that al-Qaeda never had support from the American government. He didn't want American support for al-Qaeda. The Mujahideen was different because it wasn't his group, and it wasn't formed on his ideals, but al-Qaeda was.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE TO VIEW BIN LADEN DEATH PHOTOS
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/10/congress.bin.laden.photos/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[Kelly]

The resistance force in Afghanistan was trained and financed by CIA. Osama Bin Laden was a part of that force. He created Al Qaeda before all that.

Incredibly irrelevant because it was to stop the Sovjet Invasion. Any country hates invasions.

True, but doesn't mean that they "created" Al Qaeda, simply means they fought next to the man that was the leader of Al Qaeda in later years.

We pretty much fought next to Stalin as well....

The US help put the Mujahideen into power, which later became the Taliban. So I will agree that we definitely had a creative part in that....Bin Laden's hate for the US created Al Qaeda....

 

[Marx]

According to Reuters, one of Osama Bin Laden's sons is condemning the murder of his father and the deep sea burial that followed. Omar Bin Laden said that the killing was 'criminal' and the burial was 'demeaning'.

 

[chaseter]

Someone slap him.

 

[redfirebird2008]

According to Reuters, one of Osama Bin Laden's sons is condemning the murder of his father and the deep sea burial that followed. Omar Bin Laden said that the killing was 'criminal' and the burial was 'demeaning'.

 

[Kelly]

According to Reuters, one of Osama Bin Laden's sons is condemning the murder of his father and the deep sea burial that followed. Omar Bin Laden said that the killing was 'criminal' and the burial was 'demeaning'.

Oh, I feel so bad for him.....I feel really sorry.

 

[craigdbfan]

You know even if Osama Bin Laden was in cahoots with some elaborate CIA plan since the mid 70's he's still an ass wipe for taking part in it.

So either way he's a money hungry hypocrite who didn't do what he preached and instead convinced young muslims to join his radical cause. Again no matter what way you look at it, even from the most fringe conspiracist lens, the guy is still a *****e and had it coming for a while now.

 

[hippie_hunter]

According to Reuters, one of Osama Bin Laden's sons is condemning the murder of his father and the deep sea burial that followed. Omar Bin Laden said that the killing was 'criminal' and the burial was 'demeaning'.

I got an idea, how about he says that to the faces of the families of the thousands of people that his father killed

 

[TomPiltoff]

Eva Braun didn't deserve to die. She was Hitler's innocent wife.

Um, yes, that's correct.

 

[TomPiltoff]

HAHA. I loved Chris Wallace's interview the other day with Donilon where he asked how shooting an unarmed Osama was justified but enhanced interrogation is not. Basically we can shoot unarmed people in the faces but we can't shock their nipples?

You're framing the issue dishonestly.

This was a special operation to get the mastermind of 9/11 and the leader of al Qaeda. If we were to have captured him alive, he'd have been put to death for the crimes he has already publicly plead guilty to.

That's not the same as institutionalizing torture.

 

[Hound55]

I've said it several times already and it's starting to get frustrating to hear people parrot it like it's truth.

Osama Bin Laden didn't mastermind the 9/11 attacks.

Dude's a big enough a**hole. Blame him for the things he actually did, there's no need to dramatize and attribute false crimes to his name as well.