Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 4

Do you believe that Osama Bin Laden's killing was legal?

  • Yes

  • No

  • It honestly doesn't matter to me if it's legal or not. It's what needed to be done.


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Today's suicide bombing in Pakistan would not have been something that Bin Laden would have ordered or supported. Then again, al-Qaeda is in a state of disarray and various factions within the group are wanting power.
 
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Today's suicide bombing in Pakistan would not have been something that Bin Laden would have ordered or supported. Then again, al-Qaeda is in a state of disarray and various factions within the group are wanting power.

Marx, Al-Qaida has been attacking Pakistan for quite some time now....read up on it.
 
Marx, Al-Qaida has been attacking Pakistan for quite some time now....read up on it.

Again with the attitude.

I am fully aware that a branch of al-Qaeda has been operating in Pakistan. What I am saying is that Bin Laden would not have advocated this bombing.
 
So the colonies were a country when we went to war against England??

You are holding to an outdated definition of war that didnt take into account terror organizations.

this is the definition of and act of war taken from the US Code:Title 18, Part 1,Ch113B, § 2331
4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin

There is a distinct difference between an "act of war" and the waging of war (also know as warfare). You can only use that term relative to a sovereign nation. In the case of the American Revolution, by 1774, the colonies had seceded from the British Empire and considered themselves sovereign (self governing) states and banded together to fight for their independence. Relative to them they were defending their territory and their people but to the British, it was an armed rebellion (i.e. a resistance to the government/civil unrest/criminal action). Your definition of "act of war" is a recent re-imagining of the colloquialism for convenience. The U.S. identified a new type of enemy that had no home or government sponsor, so the definition was changed to justify the waging of war and the use of the military against this enemy. This definition certainly did not apply in 1776 nor does it apply everywhere else in the world today. I once again say that 9/11 was a criminal action (an act of terrorism) and that "acts of war" are performed by countries.
 
Again with the attitude.

I am fully aware that a branch of al-Qaeda has been operating in Pakistan. What I am saying is that Bin Laden would not have advocated this bombing.

What attitude? and how do you know what Bin Laden would advocate? He's supported attacks on Pakistan before, why not these ones????
 
Personally I was (and still) more angry than celebratory. It took 10 years and a trillion, and so many troops dead and crippled... and Osama was just chilling out at Pakistan's own West Point the entire time. All the while funneling billions to Pakistan.

It is a monumental and unacceptable failure. The CIA to the Pentagon, to all levels of intelligence and diplomacy... just a gigantic cluster**** up. And here we are still going to continue in Afghanistan and ramping up crap like the Patriot Act, and the TSA. The price was far too high and long.

Seconded
 
What attitude? and how do you know what Bin Laden would advocate? He's supported attacks on Pakistan before, why not these ones????

If you had no attitude behind the post, then I apologize for the assumption.
 
Your definition of "act of war" is a recent re-imagining of the colloquialism for convenience. The U.S. identified a new type of enemy that had no home or government sponsor, so the definition was changed to justify the waging of war and the use of the military against this enemy. This definition certainly did not apply in 1776 nor does it apply everywhere else in the world today. I once again say that 9/11 was a criminal action (an act of terrorism) and that "acts of war" are performed by countries.

doesnt matter what you think. Thats the government's thoughts on the subject.
 
Because Al-Qaeda is not real.

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Not my thoughts. It's in the dictionary.

and the US Code is the laws governing the US...which includes its definition of things....or do you think the US should be governed by Webster's Dictionary?
 
i wonder if the condemned Bin Laden hiding in their country

No incumbent government would get themselves elected again by coming out and thanking the United States for sending armed troops onto their land without their permission; especially considering the people of Pakistan don't exactly consider themselves friends of America.

What were you expecting?
 
It's pretty obvious that Pakistan knew Bin Laden was there and didn't tell us.
 
Well, it really depends on "WHO" in Pakistan knew.....I actually don't think the President knew anything....but I do think that their intelligence knew exactly where he was.
 
Well, it really depends on "WHO" in Pakistan knew.....I actually don't think the President knew anything....but I do think that their intelligence knew exactly where he was.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that there are a lot of rogue elements within the Pakistani government, the ISI in particular.
 
Yeah. I'll agree that I don't think the pakistani president knew...but the ISI had to have known .
 
do you really expected pakistani to get him? i mean they have so many radicals in their country. no chance..
 
and the US Code is the laws governing the US...which includes its definition of things....or do you think the US should be governed by Webster's Dictionary?

You don't see other countries declaring war on a concept. I said generally, an "act of war" is done by countries. Additionally, the US Code you cited defines "domestic terrorisim" as: meaning activities that -

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.

What happened on 9/11 falls directly in that category. Like I said before it was a criminal action and the Bush administration chose to treat it as an act of war to justify the use of the military and make him a wartime president. Certainly, it was legal to do it that way, but it could have just as well been handled as a police action (just as the other acts of terrorism in the past were handled).
 
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