Brexit

[Iceman]

Will be interesting to see how she is received in the next few weeks.

 

[chamber-music]

I bet Jacob Rees Mogg is mad that he might have to shake hands with a poor person or something now.

 

[Sawyer]

Everything I've heard about Boris Johnson has been uniformly terrible, so it makes sense that, after all of this mess, he would be given a position of power.

 

[chamber-music]

Everything I've heard about Boris Johnson has been uniformly terrible, so it makes sense that, after all of this mess, he would be given a position of power.

She made Johnson foreign minister because she knows he will commit political suicide at some point.

Johnson is known for insulting just about every region of the UK. He has actually apologized to different regions and joked about it at party conferences.

I give it about a week for him to call some foreign dignitary or ambassador a great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

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[Fallen Angel]

Boris the buffoon has the likes of MI6 and the SAS on his speed dial. This is outrageous.

 

[Iceman]

She made Johnson foreign minister because she knows he will commit political suicide at some point.

Johnson is known for insulting just about every region of the UK. He has actually apologized to different regions and joked about it at party conferences.

I give it about a week for him to call some foreign dignitary or ambassador a great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

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Wouldn't really make sense as if he does that now it's on her too.

 

[chamber-music]

Larry the Cat (Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office) is staying at number 10.

I can't believe Cameron brought out a picture of himself with the cat in parliament to prove he doesn't hate Larry the cat like the tabloids rumored he did

 

[Lilbaz]

Boris the buffoon has the likes of MI6 and the SAS on his speed dial. This is outrageous.

They're going to love the prank calls at 03:00 in the morning.

 

[Alex Murphy]

Got up too late and missed Theresa May's first PMQs. Anyone else see it?

 

[Iceman]

Parts of it. She was pretty good. I don't think she's made a bad job of this initial period with the job. It looks like Corbyn will win the Labour leadership vote which should then allow the Tories to easily beat Labour at the next election. Corbyn won't be getting many votes from outside his own party and may even split his party, although he has a large number of dedicated loyalists and should get a very good turnout. I think May will impress people across the spectrum and a fair number of floating voters.

 

[hopeless]

Just watched Brexit Battles on BBC iplayer, instead of addressing why everyone on the programme dealing with the results assumed Remain would win it going so far as to state Farage actually thought they had lost before they even began counting!

They basically blamed Leave for lying their a%^es off ignoring all bar George Osborne's bit about an emergency budget to pay them back for wanting to leave!

Not at any point did they show how they couldn't admit they were wrong and the one time they came close they seem to suggest Cameron wanting to be solely in charge was partly the reason they claimed they didn't lower themselves to the same tactics as the Leave campaign ignoring the fact they did!

Had Cameron stayed out of the campaign he could have come out with a better chance of remaining in charge given how Corbyn instead of sticking to his guns supported the Remain campaign and even though Remain blamed him for their loss claiming he hadn't thrown everything in!

It was because he chose remain is why he's currently being challenged for the leadership!

Looks like they're searching for a way to avoid activating Article 50 trying to avoid the fact doing so means our democracy is a façade, sigh... they kept that part about Obama claiming the UK would end up at the end of the queue for trade really hope this is raised the next time the US needs help in another conflict!

So anyone care to guess what's going to happen next?

 

[Iceman]

The US doesn't really need our help, it's just nice for them if we fall in line. We are the ones who will be more in need of allies, particularly if the split with Europe becomes acrimonious.

Democracy isn't really about citizens voting for individual policies. It's about having the freedom to anonymously elect governments to do that for you.

 

[Alex Murphy]

Britain has become “completely lost” post Brexit and can eventually be expected to “plead” for a deal when it realises the weakness of its position at the negotiating table, senior European Commission officials now believe.

While officially pressing for Britain to invoke Article 50 and begin divorce talks, officials in Brussels are taking growing satisfaction in what they believe is paralysis and disarray in Theresa May’s new government, according to internal discussions seen by The Telegraph.

The spectacle of Mrs May rebuking David Davis, the Brexit minister, at Prime Minister's Questions for prematurely revealing the government’s hand was taken as further evidence in Brussels that Downing Street does not have a coherent strategy for Brexit, according to one Commission insider.

Britain is completely lost after Brexit and will beg for a deal, Brussels believes

Last month’s murder of Arkadiusz Jozwik, a 40-year-old factory worker from Poland, in the Essex town of Harlow was just the most serious in a spate of hate crimes against foreigners in England since June’s EU referendum.

Jozwik was attacked while eating a pizza outside a takeaway by a gang of teenagers who apparently heard him speaking Polish.

The National Police Chiefs’ Council has reported a surge in harassment and violence since the referendum, mostly against eastern Europeans, Muslims and Asian and black people.

Post-Brexit poll racism not extending to Irish in Britain

 

[Lilbaz]

Germany and the EU can't afford to drive a hard bargain over Brexit.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/...t-afford-to-drive-a-hard-bargain-over-brexit/

 

[Iceman]

Germany and the EU can't afford to drive a hard bargain over Brexit.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/...t-afford-to-drive-a-hard-bargain-over-brexit/

I hope this one is nearer the truth than the one above.

 

[Lilbaz]

I hope this one is nearer the truth than the one above.

It will be somewhere between. The eu will not want to give britain a good deal as it will encourage other cpuntries to leave (what that says about being in the eu isn't great). But they have to be wary as a bad deal will effect their economies at a time when many are very fragile (a lot more so than britain). Also what happens in the next two years if anti eu parties win the elections in france, italy and germany which is a distinct possibility. Those countries will get the same deal as britain. Money rules and backers of political groups will not want to see their wealth put at risk (12% of german cars are sold to britain). Also it is not all about money. Are the eastern european countries going to play hard ball with russia breathing down their necks? We have troops in those countries. Also intelligence sharing, attacks in franceand germany highlight the need of cooperation.

There will be some pain and some companies will probably move into the eu. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, some good points there.

 

[chamber-music]

EU Parliament ponders plan to let Indiviual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship

The European Parliament is to consider a plan that would allow British citizens to opt-in and keep their European Union citizenship – and its associated benefits – once the UK leaves the EU.

The proposal, which has been put before a parliamentary committee as an amendment, would grant the citizens of former member states the voluntary right to retain “associate citizenship” of the EU, such as after Brexit.

Associate citizens would be allowed to keep free movement across the EU as full citizens currently enjoy and would be allowed to vote in European Parliament elections, meaning they were still represented in Brussels.

The proposal could potentially give Brits who live and work across borders a workaround to the disruption caused by the Leave vote – and young people looking to flee an increasingly insular UK greater choice over where to move to.

Amendment 882 was proposed by Charles Goerens, a liberal MEP from Luxembourg. It will be considered by the European Parliament’s Constitutional Affairs Committee, which is drawing up a report with recommendations on “Possible evolutions of and adjustments to the current institutional set-up of the European Union”.

The amendment suggests the provision of “European associate citizenship for those who feel and wish to be part of the European project but are nationals of a former Member State; offers these associate citizens the rights of freedom of movement and to reside on its territory as well as being represented in the Parliament through a vote in the European elections on the European lists”.

A possible compromise for the near half the the UK who didn't want to leave?
Who could object to that?

Brexit campaigners in Britain reacted with anger to the idea, arguing that it would discriminate against Leave voters and that it was “an outrage”.

Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign described the proposal as divisive and said it was “totally unacceptable” for British people to retain the advantages of EU membership.

“This is an outrage. The EU is now attempting to divide the great British public at the exact moment we need unity. 17.4 million people voted to Leave the EU on 23 June and as a result the UK as a whole will get Brexit,” she said.

“Brexit means laws which impact the people of the UK will be created by accountable politicians in Westminster. It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole. Discriminating against people based on their political views shows there are no depths the EU will not sink to.”

It's discrimination to let people have something they want, that we too could have but don't want apparently

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html

The compromise would certainly satisfy the Scottish, Northern Irish and London voters that overwhelmingly voted to remain.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder if there would be any disadvantages to taking up the opt-in.

 

[chamber-music]

The Tories will never allow a opt-in to happen and I'm sure some EU countries will object to citizens of a non-EU country having the benefits of EU citizenship without any of the strings that go with it. It would be hilarious if it happened though. Farage would probably be ranting that Brits that opt-in traitors and other such nonsense.

 

[Iceman]

Haha yep.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

There is no way that will be accepted.

I understand that it would be for the best, but it would also create a division inside UK and civil unrest.

It would be better for, either end the UK and allow Scotland and Northern Ireland (i don't know how that would work, what the pros and cons would be) to go their way; or allow a second referendum (something that the pro-Brexit would never allow)

 

[chamber-music]

More than 80 MPs plot are said to want to hold a vote calling for a second EU referendum. I don't see it happening.

 

[Kelly]

The Tories will never allow a opt-in to happen and I'm sure some EU countries will object to citizens of a non-EU country having the benefits of EU citizenship without any of the strings that go with it. It would be hilarious if it happened though. Farage would probably be ranting that Brits that opt-in traitors and other such nonsense.

The Schengen Agreement actually allows some non-member countries to enjoy some of the benefits of EU citizenship, but they do not get voting rights, it is mainly an open border policy for some of the smaller microstates.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

So, the UK opted for a steamy, erect, hard Brexit.

Thoughts?