Bush in History

[Fledermaus]

This thread title is damned misleading

I agree. I thought it would be a retrospective of pubic hair styles. Disappointed, I am.

 

[Superman]

Bush could've been a highly regarded leader in historical terms.

But then that dumbass invaded Iraq without provocation or an exit strategy.

I can't believe he got re-elected after he invaded Iraq even though it had nothing to do with 9-11 and there was no eminent threat. Are people really that stupid?

Sadly yes.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

One hundred years from now, how do you think Bush would be viewed in history? Nixon is basically considered a crook, and even though Clinton had a strong sex drive, he's basically known as a good President? How about Bush? Will he be seen as a advocate of a poor nation who freed them from a blood thisty dictator or oil hungry deviant who was just as corrupt? Post peeps!

He'll be seen as incompetent.

 

[Kritish]

Well, let's see. He's managed to completely polarize the nation between the liberal and neo-con extremes. He's taken a record surplus and turned it into a record deficit. He's destroyed our education system with his "No Child Allowed To Excel" program. He's set civil rights back several decades with his fixation on immigration and gay marriage. He's been a massive enemy of free speech and personal freedoms. He's decimated foreign relations with the rest of the world. His administration is racked with scandal and dirty dealings . He's mired us in an incredibly costly "war" that we can never exit from gracefully even though he was advised not to do so and with no real reasons for doing it in the first place. He's given big tax breaks to the obscenely rich and mostly ignored the middle and lower classes. He's engaged in cronieism, given corporate lobbyists more sway, power and influence than they've ever known, and catered to big business over the interests of the American people, not to mention been completely unconcerned with the environment. And historians and communication departments are going to have a ball dissecting the rhetoric and manipulation of information this administration has used to accomplish their goals. Yeah, I'd say that Bush and his cronies will be well remembered.

jag

Agreed, I have a feeling he’ll be frowned upon for decades to come.

 

[Fanticon]

I'm not sure any of us can accurately comment on this seeing as how he's still got over a year and half still in office. All I know is that the person or persons who bring an end to our involvement in Iraq and bring our troops home will be considered a heroe(s)

 

[blind_fury]

I'm not sure any of us can accurately comment on this seeing as how he's still got over a year and half still in office. All I know is that the person or persons who bring an end to our involvement in Iraq and bring our troops home will be considered a heroe(s)

Who cares what happens in 2008?

That clown should be impeached in 2007.

If Bill Clinton even thought of doing half the things Bush has done he would've been executed on the spot for treason.

 

[Sandman138]

Clinton will be one of those forgotten presidents who did a passable job at the time but really did nothing important enough to make for anything more than a period's worth of boring lecture in 10th grade history.

No way. He's going to be remembered for lowering trade barriers with China, that's pretty much garunteed.

 

[Kritish]

No way. He's going to be remembered for lowering trade barriers with China, that's pretty much garunteed.

Exactly, him and Nixon kept us from having another cold war. Clinton is responsible for the capitalization of the PRC.

 

[blind_fury]

If Democrats build up Clinton as much as Republicans built up Reagan then he'll be remembered more fondly than Jesus himself.

 

[Kritish]

If Democrats build up Clinton as much as Republicans built up Reagan then he'll be remembered more fondly than Jesus himself.

Yeah, in neo-con psychology you have Regan about a point and a half below Jesus.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The truth is we had Presidents far worse than Bush 43, he won't be remembered.

 

[blind_fury]

Yeah, in neo-con psychology you have Regan about a point and a half below Jesus.

Neocons only pretend to care about Jesus. In truth they rate Reagan far above that long-haired, compassionate hippie named Jesus.

 

[Fledermaus]

Bush will be remembered. A President is defined by his f#ck-ups.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

He'll probably be frowned upon, but like ShadoBboxing said, we've had worse.

 

[Fledermaus]

Not in my time.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Not in my time.

Haha, ditto.

 

[Spider-Bite]

^ Yeah, that is a possibility, I will agree to that, but it's just not what I think will happen. i think we will eventually get out of Iraq with it being a little less ****ty as it is now, and then basically the rest of the middle east will be unchanged. We will still say we are watching them closely and they will still tell us to go screw ourselves.

If this is the case, then I don't see Bush's presidencey really meanign anything in 100 years.

If however you are right, then I do agree that he could definately be either great or terrible.

The odds are in favor of the civil war in Iraq spilling throughout the entire middle east, and the U.S. will not want the oil getting blown up, which means we will get dragged through it, and North Korea will see our vulnerability and use that as the perfect time to strike South Korea, but we wont let that happen so we will try to fight off them too, and China will see our stretched situation and try to conquer Taiwain but we wont stand by and let that happen either.

It's very unlikely that the war in Iraq wont cause World War 3 and the end of our species.

 

[Docker2.0]

Every president has made mistakes during their tenure in the White House. With that said, I think Clinton will be remembered more for his successes than failures, but will remained tainted by the Lewinsky scandal; it will not be as important as it is today, but it will appear as a side-note, mostly because he was impeached for it.

Bush's legacy, however, rides on the outcome of the Iraq War. Should Iraq unite and establish itself as a peaceful, possibly democratic nation, then he will be viewed favorably. However, if it remains unresolved and we eventually pull-out without a stable government in place, and the civil war continues, he will be called a war monger who bit off more than he could chew.

We must also remember that the greatest irony about history is that we cannot gain the perspective on it until those who experienced it are gone. This sense of detachment allows for a broader, more accepting view, so we can only really guess what these legacies will be.

Clinton didn't get impeached.

 

[Kritish]

Neocons only pretend to care about Jesus. In truth they rate Reagan far above that long-haired, compassionate hippie named Jesus.

Yeah, that bleeding heart liberal called Jesus ate with prostitutes and tax collectors. Something a neo-con would never do, Reagan would nuke their asses.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Neocons only pretend to care about Jesus. In truth they rate Reagan far above that long-haired, compassionate hippie named Jesus.

I went to this lecture given by a female contemporary of Anne Coltour (She was a FOX News pundent as well -- spoke highly of Anne, but also accidentally hinted that she was a fraud). She gave a long lecture decked with the typical Neo-Conservative talking points on "family values" (and unfortunately assumed the audience was Neo-Con -- It wasn'tt: ): anti-gay, anti-gun control, talked about how Global Warming was and evironmentalists against family values. She would continually make Neo-Cons out to be the only ones who were religious.

At the end of her lecture she was questioned by the audience, I attacked her notion that America was based on "Majority rule" and that the founding fathers intended a strong executive (both claims are completely false). My friend, David, made the point that Jesus (who she kept referring too) probably would not consider capitalism a good thing, and that his teachings stressed a life of poverty far more resembling asceticism or socialism to which she replied "oh that's an argument Liberals love to make" . Whatever she was smoking, I wanted some.

 

[Kritish]

I went to this lecture given by a female contemporary of Anne Coltour (She was a FOX News pundent as well -- spoke highly of Anne, but also accidentally hinted that she was a fraud). She gave a long lecture decked with the typical Neo-Conservative talking points on "family values" (and unfortunately assumed the audience was Neo-Con -- It wasn'tt: ): anti-gay, anti-gun control, talked about how Global Warming was and evironmentalists against family values. She would continually make Neo-Cons out to be the only ones who were religious.

At the end of her lecture she was questioned by the audience, I attacked her notion that America was based on "Majority rule" and that the founding fathers intended a strong executive (both claims are completely false). My friend, David, made the point that Jesus (who she kept referring too) probably would not consider capitalism a good thing, and that his teachings stressed a life of poverty far more resembling asceticism or socialism to which she replied "oh that's an argument Liberals love to make" . Whatever she was smoking, I wanted some.

Dude, neo-cons exist in a realm void of logic and reason. I would think that your interactions with Celldog would have taught you that by now. t:

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude, neo-cons exist in a realm void of logic and reason. I would think that your interactions with Celldog would have taught you that by now. t:

Celldog doesn't get paid to say stuff on television to a wide audience, that's what makes this worse and more disturbing.

 

[Badger]

As far as Bush being judged as a good president or not in 100 years, who knows. But it's a bit like watching a puppet show and saying, "Damn those puppets were sure good/bad actors!"

 

[Kritish]

Celldog doesn't get paid to say stuff on television to a wide audience, that's what makes this worse and more disturbing.

You have a point...

 

[Sandman138]

Exactly, him and Nixon kept us from having another cold war. Clinton is responsible for the capitalization of the PRC.

Which is now also becoming a pontential danger for US interests.