Arrow Can someone please explain Warner blocking certain characters from tv appearances?

[PunyGod]

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[DrCosmic]

I asked the Flash writers on their twitter page about restrictions. Have not heard back. Like I made mention in another thread. The whole restrictions deal with Warner is stupid and makes no sense.

The average Tom, Dick and Harry doesn't watch "The Flash" tv show. They might see a blockbuster movie with the Flash in it. In any case even if they allowed different versions of Supes & Bats in a tv show. It wouldn't cause any confusion. Since fans would understand the different verses and the average Joe wouldn't care or even notice.

The movie world is about to have its 3rd version of Spider-Man in the past 10yrs. I don't think it makes a difference if their is 2 versions of Superman on tv and in the movies.

Actually, part of the downfall of the Webb Spidey was unflattering comparisons to the Tobey Spidey. It doesn't matter if only 5 million people have seen CW's Flash - if those hardcore fans are all about Gustin, they won't be driving the hype train for Miller. WB needs the hype train to be excited about *their* Harley, not comparing her to the, Tara Strong version.

Competing with yourself is always a bad idea. There's just no way around that.

Again I have to ask if you aren't going to allow character overlap then why keep the universes separate? You might as well just say they are the same. And retcon any continuity errors that come up.

Well, other than the fact that constant retconning looks sloppy and isn't entertaining, you basically have the political aspect: who gets to control the universe? Do we put the CW crew in the same position as Agents of SHIELD where they are only allowed to do small things and only interesting when they interact with stuff from the cinematic universe? Do we allow the TV show which vastly outpaces the movies to make changes to the universe that conflict with what the movie people want to do, or didn't three months ago, but now with the latest draft do?

It's not just that a lot of retconning and strategizing has to take place, it's that people, real people, have to go into an environment where their ideas that they are working so hard on, that they need to tell their stories, can be skewered by someone else who could care less about what they're doing and is only worried about their movie, or their TV show, or their money. That's a recipe for some unpleasantness. Right now, the policy of good fences make good neighbors is a passable compromise, in my book.

 

[PunyGod]

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[the_ultimate_evil]

its nothing new, back when the batman and teen titans first aired, any batman character on justice league unlimited bar bats himself was banned

personally its a stupid idea and im in the camp on dc using the cw shows the same way as marvel and im a bloody dc fanboy

 

[lanesrader]

In my other thread, as i mentioned, i think we should voice our dissatisfaction towards off limits of characters like deadshot, katana, harley quinn, on twitter, towards DC/WB, david ayer or whoever is responsible for this decision, to allow arrow to freely use characters. I know it's unlikely to work, but it's better than nothing, as i don't want to see Arrow going to complete disaster.l

Arrow going to complete disaster wouldn't be because they couldnt use those characters. They should worry more about developing the characters they currently have.

I don't see what Harley Quinn would've added to this show. They already have a crazy chick in Suicide Squad with Cupid. Deadshot was barely in the show.

 

[Gintoki]

Arrow going to complete disaster wouldn't be because they couldnt use those characters. They should worry more about developing the characters they currently have.

I don't see what Harley Quinn would've added to this show. They already have a crazy chick in Suicide Squad with Cupid. Deadshot was barely in the show.

You're right about Harley. BUT Deadshot has a major role with the HIVE of killing diggle's brother, and his connection with them. Common sense says deadshot should be in season 4, because of that. So aren't we going to get any backstory on what really went on between Deadshot, and HIVE?
It doesn't make sense, and the morons at WB/DC are ruining it, because of suicide squad.

 

[lanesrader]

You're right about Harley. BUT Deadshot has a major role with the HIVE of killing diggle's brother, and his connection with them. Common sense says deadshot should be in season 4, because of that. So aren't we going to get any backstory on what really went on between Deadshot, and HIVE?
It doesn't make sense, and the morons at WB/DC are ruining it, because of suicide squad.

Just cause he died it doesn't mean they can't tell what happened. Flashbacks can tell that story.

 

[Gintoki]

Just cause he died it doesn't mean they can't tell what happened. Flashbacks can tell that story.

Um once a character is off-limits, i think he or she can't be used in flashbacks also. Like you can't touch the character at all. I could be wrong though.

 

[DrCosmic]

The feeling is that's exactly what's happening anyway.

I can empathize, but with studio oversight, they couldn't even do stuff like the alternate realities and big giant wormholes in the sky - because that would demand comment/reaction/where were they from the film heroes. They couldn't do character development with universe-wide characters like Deathstroke or make changes to the League of Assassins or ARGUS. They're limited in terms of what characters they can use, but they're not limited in what they can do with those characters and the world as a whole. If they had to coordinate with film for every plot point and world building event they'd be restricted on characters *and* what they can do with the characters and cities and world they have.

 

[batdude]

Harley would have made a great guest star for a couple weeks. Deadshot on on the other hand, was a major character. Look, I don't think anybody is going to mix the guy on Arrow up with WILL SMITH. WB needs to give DC more credit.

 

[storyteller]

You're right about Harley. BUT Deadshot has a major role with the HIVE of killing diggle's brother, and his connection with them. Common sense says deadshot should be in season 4, because of that. So aren't we going to get any backstory on what really went on between Deadshot, and HIVE?
It doesn't make sense, and the morons at WB/DC are ruining it, because of suicide squad.

Well he was hired by Hive for a few jobs. Not exactly integral to the Hive storyline.

Now what I want is going forward is for the writers to know who they can and can't use so this nonsense never comes up again. They got plenty of characters to use. Bring in D and E listers and revamp them into the big leagues.

 

[Gintoki]

Well he was hired by Hive for a few jobs. Not exactly integral to the Hive storyline.

Now what I want is going forward is for the writers to know who they can and can't use so this nonsense never comes up again. They got plenty of characters to use. Bring in D and E listers and revamp them into the big leagues.

He was obviously an important part with the HIVE storyline. See how one of the HIVE members recruits lawton in the flashback. Yes, he was hired to kill, but behind it there's an important back story. I don't see how you're fine with the idea of DC screwing us over.

I'm not interested in D, or E listers. I want Z list baddies, as they make out to be epic as main villain of the season. Z list baddies make me more invested in the show. E.g Slade Wilson, Ra's a Ghul. Bad ass and well known villains will generate more interest.

You build deadshot in the first 2 seasons, and suddenly kill him in season 3 in some random episode, because of ridiculous DC decision, that's just plain wrong.

 

[Snow Queen]

He was obviously an important part with the HIVE storyline. See how one of the HIVE members recruits lawton in the flashback. Yes, he was hired to kill, but behind it there's an important back story. I don't see how you're fine with the idea of DC screwing us over.

I'm not interested in D, or E listers. I want Z list baddies, as they make out to be epic as main villain of the season. Z list baddies make me more invested in the show. E.g Slade Wilson, Ra's a Ghul. Bad ass and well known villains will generate more interest.

You build deadshot in the first 2 seasons, and suddenly kill him in season 3 in some random episode, because of ridiculous DC decision, that's just plain wrong.

 

[Gintoki]

Oh, Enlighten me then, 'Queen'.

 

[Snow Queen]

Oh, Enlighten me then, 'Queen'.

You're referring to A-List villains, Z-List villains are the exact opposite of well known villains.

 

[BH/HHH]

Wait a minute someone thinks Deathstroke and Ra's Al Ghul are Z list villains

 

[Loki882]

The thing is, bringing in D and E list heroes/villains is what stuff like AOS is doing, and people complain about the lack of "big name" characters in that show. I THOUGHT that WB keeping their film and TV-verses separate was supposed to AVOID that potential problem, and avoid limiting stories. And yet that seems to be exactly what's happening, which kind of kills the whole point of doing it.

Also, it's just insulting to the audience's intelligent. For example, do they REALLY think that we cannot look at the guy in Arrow, and then look at freaking WILL SMITH and not know that they're meant to be different versions of Deashot? They think that the viewer are that stupid, seriously?

 

[ZIPBAGS]

The thing is, bringing in D and E list heroes/villains is what stuff like AOS is doing, and people complain about the lack of "big name" characters in that show. I THOUGHT that WB keeping their film and TV-verses separate was supposed to AVOID that potential problem, and avoid limiting stories. And yet that seems to be exactly what's happening, which kind of kills the whole point of doing it.

Also, it's just insulting to the audience's intelligent. For example, do they REALLY think that we cannot look at the guy in Arrow, and then look at freaking WILL SMITH and not know that they're meant to be different versions of Deashot? They think that the viewer are that stupid, seriously?

This!!

Also, what would be the big deal if in casual conversation it came up about some vigilante in Gotham or a meta working out of Metropolis? You don't have to show them. But, it would be nice for the fans. I think Lois & Clark once made a quick reference to Bats in a episode...didn't even use his name.

 

[BH/HHH]

The thing is, bringing in D and E list heroes/villains is what stuff like AOS is doing, and people complain about the lack of "big name" characters in that show. I THOUGHT that WB keeping their film and TV-verses separate was supposed to AVOID that potential problem, and avoid limiting stories. And yet that seems to be exactly what's happening, which kind of kills the whole point of doing it.

Also, it's just insulting to the audience's intelligent. For example, do they REALLY think that we cannot look at the guy in Arrow, and then look at freaking WILL SMITH and not know that they're meant to be different versions of Deashot? They think that the viewer are that stupid, seriously?

This is spot on , WBs really piss me off, the whole Bat embargo with the animated stuff was even more ridiculous. I mean they weren't allowed to use Two Face, the Scarecrow or Ra's Al Ghul in the Batman or any of the main Batman villains/sidekicks in JLU.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Maybe it's just characters about to make their major debut with the movies. Everyone already knows Flash, Waller was in Green Lantern. Deadshot and Harley Quinn, however, are getting the spotlight in Suicide Squad.

That's why Flash can have a show and a movie, and Green Lantern can have all of those seeds planted in both shows and still have a movie on the release schedule.

 

[venom892]

I'm honestly more concerned about them using the characters they can use properly. For example they completely mishandled a potential season long villain in Count Vertigo. Twice. Murmur could have also been an interesting villain and he fell flat. I like the show but embargos are the least of their worries.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm honestly more concerned about them using the characters they can use properly. For example they completely mishandled a potential season long villain in Count Vertigo. Twice. Murmur could have also been an interesting villain and he fell flat. I like the show but embargos are the least of their worries.

I agree on Vertigo, he should have been done right and as a big season bad for a whole season. I even think Peter Stormare would have been a good choice for the correct version of CV.

 

[DarKush]

I'm honestly more concerned about them using the characters they can use properly. For example they completely mishandled a potential season long villain in Count Vertigo. Twice. Murmur could have also been an interesting villain and he fell flat. I like the show but embargos are the least of their worries.

I share in the disappointment expressed by many on this thread about the embargoes imposed on Flash and Arrow, but I do think you make a very valid point. Arrow has mishandled Count Vertigo and Murmur. But I think they did the same thing for Isabel Rochev, Komodo, Drakon, and China White. I'm iffy on how they handled Brick and Cupid. And Shado was pretty much a different character than she is in the comics. So there seems to be a problem with the Arrow folks developing Green Arrow's own stable of villains (to be fair I think Murmur was a Flash villain), that I'm assuming they have a freer hand in dealing with.

Merlyn and Clock King are two of the best depictions, and they haven't really built up Clock King to be as major of a villain as he could be for the show.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The thing is, bringing in D and E list heroes/villains is what stuff like AOS is doing, and people complain about the lack of "big name" characters in that show. I THOUGHT that WB keeping their film and TV-verses separate was supposed to AVOID that potential problem, and avoid limiting stories. And yet that seems to be exactly what's happening, which kind of kills the whole point of doing it.

Also, it's just insulting to the audience's intelligent. For example, do they REALLY think that we cannot look at the guy in Arrow, and then look at freaking WILL SMITH and not know that they're meant to be different versions of Deashot? They think that the viewer are that stupid, seriously?

Do you realize how many people think the X-Men are in continuity with the MCU? So many more then you would think. It was the same with Spider-Man before he came home.

 

[batdude]

I share in the disappointment expressed by many on this thread about the embargoes imposed on Flash and Arrow, but I do think you make a very valid point. Arrow has mishandled Count Vertigo and Murmur. But I think they did the same thing for Isabel Rochev, Komodo, Drakon, and China White. I'm iffy on how they handled Brick and Cupid. And Shado was pretty much a different character than she is in the comics. So there seems to be a problem with the Arrow folks developing Green Arrow's own stable of villains (to be fair I think Murmur was a Flash villain), that I'm assuming they have a freer hand in dealing with.

Merlyn and Clock King are two of the best depictions, and they haven't really built up Clock King to be as major of a villain as he could be for the show.

Murmur is definitely a Flash villain! Flash in the comics really does have better villians. than Green Arrow.