Congress's Asessment of a Bio Attack

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/02/terror.report/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Terrorists are likely to use a weapon of mass destruction somewhere in the world in the next five years, a blue-ribbon panel assembled by Congress has concluded.
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They are more likely to use a biological weapon than a nuclear one -- and the results could be devastating, the chairman of the commission told CNN.

"The consequences of a biological attack are almost beyond comprehension. It would be 9/11 times 10 or a hundred in terms of the number of people who would be killed," former Sen. Bob Graham said.

He cited the flu virus that killed millions of people in 1918 as an example.

"Today it is still in the laboratory, but if it should get out and into the hands of scientists who knew how to use it for a violent purpose, we could have multiple times the 40 million people who were killed 100 years ago," he said. Video Watch how officials worry about a biological terror attack »

The U.S. government "needs to move more aggressively to limit" the spread of biological weapons, the commission said in its report.

Graham warned that such measures would be costly, but were necessary.

"The leadership of this country and the world will have to decide how much of a priority ... they place on avoiding the worst weapons in the world getting in the hands of the worst people in the world," he said.


"It is not going to be cheap. It is not going to be accomplished without some sacrifices. It won't be accomplished without putting this issue ahead of some other competing national and international goals. But I think our safety and security depend upon doing so," he added.

Graham said a biological attack was more likely than a nuclear one because it would be easier to carry out.

Biological weapons "are more available," he said. "Anthrax is a natural product of dead animals. Other serious pathogens are available in equally accessible forms."

"There are so many scientists who have the skills to convert a pathogen from benign, helpful purposes into an illicit, very harmful weapon," he added.

But the commission warned that there is also a threat of nuclear terrorism, both because more countries are developing nuclear weapons and because some existing nuclear powers are expanding their arsenals.

"Terrorist organizations are intent on acquiring nuclear weapons," said the report, which was published Tuesday on the Internet and will be officially released Wednesday.

CNN obtained a copy of the report Monday evening.

It cited testimony before the commission from former Sen. Sam Nunn, who said that the "risk of a nuclear weapon being used today is growing, not receding."

The report recommends a range of measures, including increased security and awareness at biological research labs and strengthening international treaties against the spread of biological and nuclear weapons.

"Many biological pathogens and nuclear materials around the world are poorly secured -- and thus vulnerable to theft by those who would put these materials to harmful use, or would sell them on the black market to potential terrorists," the report warned.

The commission expressed particular concern about the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea, and about Pakistan, which it described as "the intersection of nuclear weapons and terrorism."
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While observing that Pakistan is a U.S. ally, the report said, "the next terrorist attack against the United States is likely to originate from within the Federally Administered Tribal Areas" in Pakistan. The tribal areas lie in northwest Pakistan where the government exerts little control; the United States says it is a haven for militants from both Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan.

Congress created the commission to investigate and report on WMD and terrorism in line with a recommendation from the 9/11 Commission, which compiled a report on the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States. Commissioners heard testimony from more than 250 experts from around the world over the course of their six-month investigation.
What do you all think? Likely or just fear mongering?
 
I personally feel this is a likely scenario. Many people forget all the damage that one vile of anthrax can do; imagine what one hundred viles of the disease could do to an entire city. Not to mention there are numerous other diseases which could be weaponized...
 
I do think its interesting that the article claims that any such virus/bacteria would likely come from Pakistan and here we are, with a destabilizing Pakistan. Not to say that any attack is in the making but I have to wonder how friendly the new democracy is to the west. Musharaff was a dictator but he was our dictator. The Pakistani streets are very anti-West (even by south Asian standards) and bin Laden is a popular figure for many people there. It makes me wonder what kind of people the Pakistani's voted into office. Maybe they arent watching the weapons labs as tightly as Musharaff did.
 
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I think it is both likely and fear
mongering.

I do think its interesting that the article claims that any such virus/bacteria would likely come from Pakistan and here we are, with a destabilizing Pakistan. Not to say that any attack is in the making but I have to wonder how friendly the new democracy is to the west. Musharaff was a dictator but he was our dictator. The Pakistani streets are very anti-West (even by south Asian standards) and bin Laden is a popular figure for many people there. It makes me wonder what kind of people the Pakistani's voted into office. Maybe they arent watching the weapons labs as tightly as Musharaff did.

1. I didn't see the article as saying anything about virus/bacteria likely coming from Pakistan.

2. As I've asked before, why is democracy only a good thing if it is pro USA?

3. See question 2.
 
I think it is both likely and fear
mongering.



1. I didn't see the article as saying anything about virus/bacteria likely coming from Pakistan.

2. As I've asked before, why is democracy only a good thing if it is pro USA?

3. See question 2.

1. My bad for not reading carefully. Although, it did mention terrorism coming from the tribal areas of Pakistan in the second to last paragraph.
2. Its bad when the government may allow attacks by terrorists on American citizens. As the article said, many more lives could be lost in a terrorist attack involving bio-weapons than were lost on 9-11.
 
1. My bad for not reading carefully. Although, it did mention terrorism coming from the tribal areas of Pakistan in the second to last paragraph.
2. Its bad when the government may allow attacks by terrorists on American citizens. As the article said, many more lives could be lost in a terrorist attack involving bio-weapons than were lost on 9-11.

It's ok. I'm still bitter about Bush's "Democracy curse all the world's ills" approach to world diplomacy. It would take alot to match 9/11 IMO. We should be watchful, but we should not be terrirfied.
 
I think it is both likely and fear
mongering.



1. I didn't see the article as saying anything about virus/bacteria likely coming from Pakistan.

2. As I've asked before, why is democracy only a good thing if it is pro USA?

3. See question 2.
Read up on the Pakistan ISI connection.

In the current climate, a democracy won't work - maybe if things stabilize in the long term, but NOT NOW. A well controlled secular government is more advisable even if they are not completely pro American. The Taliban is going to make a lot of headway in Pakistan. Just watch.

Remember folks, Pakistan HAS nukes, Taliban + Nukes = fill in the blank

The economic conditions is absolutely doing no one any favors as well.
 
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Read up on the Pakistan ISI connection.

In the current climate, a democracy won't work - maybe if things stabilize in the long term, but NOT NOW. A well controlled secular government is more advisable even if they are not completely pro American. The Taliban is going to make a lot of headway in Pakistan. Just watch.

Remember folks, Pakistan HAS nukes, Taliban + Nukes = fill in the blank

The economic conditions is absolutely doing no one any favors as well.


So, democracy isn't necessarily a good thing?

Maybe America took it's eye off the ball?
 
The possibility of a Bio-Attack? I don't see it happening. I see it more along the lines of fear mongering. Remember when 9/11 happened there were reports of an upcoming biological attack as well and nothing happened.

I believe that certain politicians and the media want to put the people in fear and have them be afraid that particular circumstances. Look, we spend our times worrying about things we can't control. If Clinton couldn't stop the Oklahoma City bombing, if Bush couldn't stop 9/11, what makes ANYONE think that the world in general can stop an upcoming biological attack?

If it's going to happen it's going to happen regardless and unless some miracle happens there's nothing that can be done about it. However, I do believe the article and the wording is more along the lines of fear mongering than anything else.
 
So, democracy isn't necessarily a good thing?
Not in the current volatile Middle-Eastern climate. Middle Eastern politics is nire complicated than what we have in the west. What some people "want" has no baring on what reality will allow. Don't take it as an advocacy of military dictatorships and denunciation of democracies, but between outcomes of the two in the Pakistan context, Musharraf might have been the lesser evil.

But this point is moot now, since we already know what people chose.

http://threatswatch.org/rapidrecon/2008/12/operational-metamorphosis-mumb/
 

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