Cop killer on the run calls out to celebs

[MessiahDecoy123]

You didn't answer my question.

Do you personally believe that killing innocent civilians is morally justifiable under any given circumstances?

Yes or no.

No

not any given circumstances.

 

[James]

So you'd agree that Dorner is wrong.

 

[KalMart]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Which one is this guy to you?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Going on a killing spree and murdering innocent civilians is not a revolution to impact change, it's being a crazy lone gunman and eradicating any shred of moral credibility you had to try to expose the corruption you were fighting against once upon a time.

If you watch this and think to yourself "gee, I wonder what I'd be willing to do to impact change....I know! I'll go to the grocery store down the street and shoot everyone! FIGHT THE MAN!", then you've got a few screws loose.

Not what I meant.

People on all levels of society are questioning whether the corruption of the LAPD needs to addressed.

Police will have to wonder if their racism and corruption toward fellow police and others will create the next Dorner.

People have to consider the possibility of a sympathetic terrorist for the first time in this generation.

and many other variables.

Dorner himself may not overthrow the social order but he is planting pwerful seeds in minds everywhere who are weary of police corruption or the possibility of a police state.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So you'd agree that Dorner is wrong.

He would be wrong for killing an unarmed women.

Not wrong for going to war with the LAPD.

It's not a black and white issue for me.

 

[C. Lee]

Dorner himself may not overthrow the social order but he is planting pwerful seeds in minds everywhere who are weary of police corruption or the possibility of a police state.

Yeah...if you feel a policeman has done you wrong....go kill their family.

If you defend him....you have a major problem and I suggest you seek professional help.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Which one is this guy to you?

I'll just say I can understand both views.

 

[KalMart]

Not what I meant.

People on all levels of society are questioning whether the corruption of the LAPD needs to addressed.

Police will have to wonder if their racism and corruption toward fellow police and others will create the next Dorner.

People have to consider the possibility of a sympathetic terrorist for the first time in this generation.

and many other variables.

Dorner himself may not overthrow the social order but he is planting pwerful seeds in minds everywhere who are weary of police corruption or the possibility of a police state.

No...there is never any sympathy to be given in that regard. You need to distinguish between the cautionary/tragic and inspirational...because what a terrorist does is attempt to blur those two, and there should be no sympathy towards that. You want to hold LAPD somehow responsible for nurturing an already-disturbed individual into a monster, then fine. That does not, however, justify those actions taken by him in any way or perspective....there's nothing righteous about it as 'payback' or what have you....no morso than those innocent children in Sandy Hook being gunned down. Spurring change/awareness to avoid the tragedy in the future, sure. "Serves you right"? Hell no, no two ways about it.

I'll just say I can understand both views.

Which means you're completely misunderstanding the truth.


It also means that if you really believe this, there ought to be a lot of concern surrounding you, bro. I'm serious, this is the kind of thinking that produced a Dorner to begin with....so if I were a mod, I'd want to start keeping a particular eye out right around now.

 

[Schlosser85]

People have to consider the possibility of a sympathetic terrorist for the first time in this generation.

Someone who murders innocent civilians because of his own personal grievances with an organization those people weren't even part of is not sympathetic.

I feel like I am explaining to a very small child.

 

[KalMart]

Someone who murders innocent civilians because of his own personal grievances with an organization those people weren't even part of is not sympathetic.

I feel like I am explaining to a very small child.

Or possibly the next Dorner.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yeah...if you feel a policeman has done you wrong....go kill their family.

If you defend him....you have a major problem and I suggest you seek professional help.

I already said it's wrong to kill unarmed women.

But I understand why some may feel Dorner is the lesser of two evils.

 

[KalMart]

I already said it's wrong to kill unarmed women.

But I understand why some may feel Dorner is the lesser of two evils.

No...no-one feels it's the lesser of two evils, there is no lesser. You're trying to defend you feeling that way.


And it's indefensible.




Stop it and seek therapy.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, I have no idea how on any logical basis you could claim Dorner's actions are the "lesser" of two evils. What's the other evil? Because if its the things he accuses the LAPD of, then no, his evil is not "lesser" than theirs.

Also, why would anyone just believe him about what happened simply he wrote something in a letter? Do you believe everything you hear?

 

[ElMariachi]

Killing anybody is wrong. If somebody screws you at work and it leads to your firing, will you just blow their head off for revenge? We don't execute murderers, rapists, and child molesters in this nation. Kicking a homeless person is somehow reason for it?

Keep your sick/childish Harvey Dent fantasies to yourself, Messiah.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Someone who murders innocent civilians because of his own personal grievances with an organization those people weren't even part of is not sympathetic.

I feel like I am explaining to a very small child.

THat's fine and good. I'm just pointing out there may be a time when you sympathize with someone labeled a terrorist.

Be prepared for it.

 

[James]

Also, why would anyone just believe him about what happened simply he wrote something in a letter? Do you believe everything you hear?

That's a good point. Most if not all of the support Dorner is getting comes from a few small excerpts from his manifesto. I wonder if the majority of his supporters have actually bothered to read the entire thing, because the bulk of it is clearly the ramblings of a mad man. Perhaps there is some truth in there, but even that should be taken with a huge amount of skepticism given the rest of Dorner's unhinged diatribe.

To automatically believe every word he's written without question, and then follow up by accusing the LAPD and media of lying, is not just hypocritical -it's almost delusional.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No...no-one feels it's the lesser of two evils, there is no lesser. You're trying to defend you feeling that way.


And it's indefensible.




Stop it and seek therapy.

Subjective

 

[KalMart]

THat's fine and good. I'm just pointing out there may be a time when you sympathize with someone labeled a terrorist.

Be prepared for it.

And this is not one of those times, thanks. Nor does it prepare us for it. When that's the case, we'll know that too...we don't need to credit this.

Subjective

As it apparently was for Dorner. Well done.




Get some help.

 

[Spider-X]

You think it's possible corrupt cops randomly killed some woman and her fiance and then decided to frame an ex-cop they didn't have any reason to hate yet?

Well that wouldn't make any sense now would it...but do we know all that's going on? No. And as paranoid or stupid as it may sound: Could there have been more going on and the daughter and fiance were actually somehow directly involved with this whole mess and effing Dorner over...who knows, there's crazier and more convoluted stuff that's happened. There's all sorts of crap that could be going on.

Bottom line here is it doesn't appear there's truly any justification for the killings that have happened thus far other than Dorner getting pissy to the extreme. This whole situation appears unnecessary and tragic.

And what possible justification could there be for doing this in the first place? Some people here seem to speak of revolution and crap...but how bad could the LAPD situation truly be that this is a justifiable means to an end to the corruption/situation?

If things were this bad...that these people actually deserved to die...what in the whole hell could be going on and how is it that no other means have been vastly explored?

 

[KalMart]

Well that wouldn't make any sense now would it...but do we know all that's going on? No. And as paranoid or stupid as it may sound: Could there have been more going on and the daughter and fiance were actually somehow directly involved with this whole mess and effing Dorner over...who knows, there's crazier and more convoluted stuff that's happened. There's all sorts of crap that could be going on.

Bottom line here is it doesn't appear there's truly any justification for the killings that have happened thus far other than Dorner getting pissy to the extreme. This whole situation appears unnecessary and tragic.

And what possible justification could there be for doing this in the first place? Some people here seem to speak of revolution and crap...but how bad could the LAPD situation truly be that this is a justifiable means to an end to the corruption/situation?

If things were this bad...that these people actually deserved to die...what in the whole hell could be going on and how is it that no other means have been vastly explored?

This isn't justification or justice...it's terrorism. There's a big difference.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And this is not one of those times, thanks. Nor does it prepare us for it. When that's the case, we'll know that too...we don't need to credit this.


As it apparently was for Dorner. Well done.




Get some help.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. It seems the media's take is treated like scripture.

 

[terry78]

If it turns out all these people he killed were into something massively evil, that would be the only justification and even then the proposed method would be to have them tried for their crime.

 

[Spider-X]

Here's another question: could anyone give an example of where something that could be considered a terrorist act actually ended up being justifiable?

And I'm talking reality here. V for Vendetta is a great fictional story. What's something that's actually happened in the real world where terrorism was justifiable?

 

[Victarion]

Messiah Decoy, if you want Dorner sympathizers, you're looking for /pol/.

I believe that Schlosser and Hunter Rider have stated my points far more eloquently than I possibly could.

 

[terry78]

Every terrorist thinks their cause is justified. But they don't call it terrorism.