The Dark Knight Rises Could BB3 beat TDk if...

[Phallic]

...the focus was taken off villains and Batman was again made the focus of the story?

 

[DRUMM3RBOY]

Batman was a huge part in TDK but What made it was the Joker and...no I dont think it would make as much money without Heath

 

[JaD]

If your solely talking about making more money than TDK, than I highly doubt it. Alot of factors that we all know about which put TDK where it is now.

But if we're talking about a better Batman film. I'd like to think it was possible (but with Joker being one of Bat's greatest villains it'd be incredibly tough) Don't rule it out thogh.

 

[Crook]

The only shot a sequel has at beating TDK is if they go with A-listers, ramp up the spectacle, and go with the well-known villains.

 

[SNIKT1950]

...the focus was taken off villains and Batman was again made the focus of the story?

Nolan already said this movie was the "peak" of the franchise.

I agree, there's no way it can be topped.

Part III will be good, no doubt about it, but Dark Knight will always be the best.

 

[jmc]

^ Hence why I believe a third film is not guaranteed to be made in the first place, The Dark Knight is the peak in the series, it's extremely difficult to see how you could go one better. The question is are fans willing to sacrifice the 'trilogy' and accept a 2-film series in order to possibly avoiding damaging the series?

 

[Crook]

Nope. You always run a risk with making another installment, and to run away just because of success is uncharacteristically spineless of Nolan and co. Besides, their story is not finished. We know they pitched 3 films, and we know that TDK's ending paves for a new arc that HAS to be finished.

Godfather was more of a bookend than TDK was, and THAT got a sequel. A very great one I might add.

 

[UA-Archangel]

...the focus was taken off villains and Batman was again made the focus of the story?

In superhero movies, it's the villains that make the story.

That's why villains are often given more lines, better lines, have better and more colourful costumes, etc.

So, in a short answer, no.

 

[Phallic]

I primarily meant in terms of a quality film rather than making money.

I think it's basically a consensus that TDK's success monetarily was due to a perfect storm of events and won't likely be beat (though Batman 3 will undoubtedly make a LOAD of money).

 

[CFE]

Making BB3 with the sole priority of doing better business then "TDK" would be an incredibly stupid move, IMO.

If Nolan decides that he has a sufficient means of telling the story the way he wants to tell it...and if he sees it as a worthwhile challenge rather than just doing it for the sake of doing it...then that's what Warners and the Producers need to respect and trust.

Just have faith in the story and the filmmaker...I'd rather have a well thought out and expertly executed "BB3" that doesn't top "TDK" financially then a rushed and absurd "BB3" that fails to top "TDK" anyway.

People also need to keep in mind now that, as was said before, there were numerous factors that led to "TDK"s Box Office..."TDK" makes it look easy, but trust me...$500 million is obviously not an easy number to reach.

So despite how well "TDK" has done, please do not use that financial success as the basis for grading any future 'Batman' movies.

What should be the true merit is the story and how passionate and faithful the filmmaker is to their interpretation of Batman. As long as the characters and their adventures are handled by filmmakers who care and are made with love and respect to the material, then that should mean more to fans than any sort of dollar amount.

CFE

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think in both BB and TDK we saw glimpses of just how heroic this character is. And I think in BB3 they can bring him from the valley of pain and despair in TDK to the conquering hero in BB3. It will be very difficult to top TDK, but if they can make a movie that is in the same ballpark as BB and TDK in the quality department, they will have pulled off something that hasn't been done before: a superhero trilogy that actually has 3 good movies in it.

 

[jmc]

Nope. You always run a risk with making another installment, and to run away just because of success is uncharacteristically spineless of Nolan and co. Besides, their story is not finished. We know they pitched 3 films, and we know that TDK's ending paves for a new arc that HAS to be finished.

Godfather was more of a bookend than TDK was, and THAT got a sequel. A very great one I might add.

I don't think it's a matter of being spineless, but about whether or not they feel they can expand what they've done further, for all we know Nolan may feel he can do no more with the series. Whether the story is finished or if multiple films were pitched really doesn't matter now, things change, ultimately it's for Nolan to decide where things go from here, there's enough closure to end the series as is and enough of an opening to warrant a sequel, hence why I'm fine with the series ending now. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see Nolan tackle another installment, but I think people should prepare themselves for the possibility that Nolan won't do a third film.

 

[In a Pickle]

Nolan will do a third film. Close thread.

 

[CFE]

That's not what this thread is asking...

CFE

 

[Deadshot59]

The Joker is Batman's greatest enemy, so I highly doubt you can top TDK...



If Heath was around, there would actually be a chance...but seriously, I really doubt you can top TDK.


But hey, prove me wrong Nolan. PLEASE.

 

[Melkay]

My answer is Yes. Absolutely yes. People here seem to lack faith in the character of Batman and his ability to shine as the centerpiece of the story. The Joker was great, no doubt about that, bu there ahve been many classic Batman stories where no villain was more interesting than the title character (DKR comes to mind).

If they succed at developing Batman to its full potential (and make him confront two or three good villains as well), yes, the movie can top TDK.

I don't KNOW if he'll be able to top it, I just don't listen to popular opinions. Most people believe that Heath Ledger would crash and burn with his interpretation. They were obviously wrong about many things. I all comes down to a matter of optimism/pessimism... to a matter of faith.

I Believe In Chris and Jonah Nolan.

 

[TDK86]

I think in terms of quality yes. Granted it will be very hard to do but I think if anyone can top TDK it's Nolan. Now financially the only way this will equal or beat TDK is if one of the high profile actors/actress' playing a major charactor dies tragically (God forbid) and their performance gets hyped because of it.

 

[Zephyr Alexian]

BB3 can make more money regardless of who the story focuses on. We need a great story. Nolan's uncanny ability to satisfy the audience with what they didn't expect is what will make the 3rd one better. If he can do it again, it will succeed.

If the critical success follows a huge entity like the Batman franchise, it will only add to the commercial results. I expect something epic for the next one, but in all honesty, the expectations for post Begins and post TDk are two very different monsters. The latter is a juggernaut in comparison to the former.

 

[Symbiotic]

Batman didn't get pushed to the side by the villains in TDK.

 

[Byron Long]

I doubt B3 will match the BO performance of DK. DK had everything going for it. Great story, action, The Joker, hype, tragic death of a major star, etc. Make no mistake B3 will do well and could quite possibly be a better story but it won't top DK.
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[SheldonLevene]

B3 will not do as well in the B.O. as many have said, but just because TDK was a great movie is no reason not to try and make another film and make it better. We've all seen franchises where #2 is the best SM, Godfather, SW etc, but that's no reason not to try and top TDK with B3. As someone said above it would be kind of gutless to say, "Well we don't have enough faith in ourselves as filmakers to try and make a better movie than before. Let's quit while we're ahead." That would be a mistake, b/c while it might not rake in a bill. the next film will be a financial success.

 

[gwynplaine]

"The better the villain, the better the film". Alfred Hitchcock.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I think that quality wise, any movie can top TDK. Nolan and crew just need the balls to go as far as possible with Bruce as they can, and I truly believe they have those balls. The Batman universe is not about his villians, which is why it's called the Batman universe. Anyone who said that BB3 won't amount to TDK quality because it won't have Heath or Joker wasn't paying attention to TDK. Nolan and crew, IMO, should base BB3 structure to something like Taxi Driver or There Will Be Blood. Not in that Batman goes totally loco or goes old and beats the **** out of a whiny Riddler that doesn't age, but in that the movie should have complete focus on Bruce's determination and journey into finally realizing that Batman will not stop, simply because Gotham cannot be saved. That's what I think.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Batman didn't get pushed to the side by the villains in TDK.

I agree... There was an even playing field in this movie. This was very much an ensemble picture.

However, A little more focus should be placed on batman for the third one.

 

[Melkay]

"The better the villain, the better the film". Alfred Hitchcock.

And that comes from the guy who directed "The Birds".

Villains are there just for one reason... to create conflict, and make conflict dangerous. If Batman faces bigger conflict and more dangerous consequences in BB3... the film will be better.