Sequels Could Fox make a deal with Sony for a Spider-Man F4 crossover?

[Spooderman]

Well, it looks like Fox has scrapped their terrible idea to put the Fantastic Four in the X-Men universe. However, I do think the Fantastic Four could work with a shared universe, and given that they're not that popular being in a shared universe would help with the audience.

Disney is run by greedy bastards so they probably won't allow the F4 to be in the MCU if they don't get 100% of the profits, but the Amazing Spider-Man films have been underperforming so Sony probably would accept an offer like this. The Fantastic Four would work great in a Spider-Man universe, since they interacted with each other in the comics a lot, and Doom could be considered a Spider-Man villain.

It will also create an interesting dynamic between the two, since the F4 are loved by society, while Spidey is mistrusted, although TASM2 seemed to fudge that up by having the city love him.

Either way I think this would work out pretty well, since Sony can't create a Spider-Verse making a stupid Sinister Six movie, and the Fantastic Four aren't that popular.

 

[Donut]

I am pretty sure that all cross over deals are decided by Disney

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I want Spidey with the X-Men too.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I wouldn't mind seeing see Spidey and F4 in the same universe

 

[Zarex]

In a recent interview with The Playlist, Avi Arad mentioned that any cinematic crossover between Spider-Man and the Marvel character families presently licensed to FOX would require Disney's approval.

 

[Spooderman]

Godammit. I hope the Mouse dies and gets liquidated soon

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, it looks like Fox has scrapped their terrible idea to put the Fantastic Four in the X-Men universe. However, I do think the Fantastic Four could work with a shared universe, and given that they're not that popular being in a shared universe would help with the audience.

Disney is run by greedy bastards so they probably won't allow the F4 to be in the MCU if they don't get 100% of the profits, but the Amazing Spider-Man films have been underperforming so Sony probably would accept an offer like this. The Fantastic Four would work great in a Spider-Man universe, since they interacted with each other in the comics a lot, and Doom could be considered a Spider-Man villain.

It will also create an interesting dynamic between the two, since the F4 are loved by society, while Spidey is mistrusted, although TASM2 seemed to fudge that up by having the city love him.

Either way I think this would work out pretty well, since Sony can't create a Spider-Verse making a stupid Sinister Six movie, and the Fantastic Four aren't that popular.

they're all greedy bastards. Sony didn't even let that news reporter in Iron Man be from daily bugle.

I am pretty sure that all cross over deals are decided by Disney

Why would Disney have control over Fox & Sony bringing their 2 cinematic franchises together?

I want Spidey with the X-Men too.

I wouldn't mind seeing see Spidey and F4 in the same universe

this but X Men should be there too since they're more popular

In a recent interview with The Playlist, Avi Arad mentioned that any cinematic crossover between Spider-Man and the Marvel character families presently licensed to FOX would require Disney's approval.

...why?

Godammit. I hope the Mouse dies and gets liquidated soon

1st of all what do you mean by this and 2nd of all if it is what I think it is then why?

 

[Wildcard]

I don't see the point....F4 is gonna suck & Spidey needs to focus on regaining interest in the public's eye instead of resorting to tactics that have already been used (and successfully executed).

Copying the Avengers/MCU isn't going to help Spider-Man.

 

[Zarex]

Why would Disney have control over Fox & Sony bringing their 2 cinematic franchises together?

Because the Disney's licensing agreements for Spidey, the FF and the X-Men are all separate contracts. Unless a precient attorney at FOX or Sony had the wisdom to include crossover language into the agreements, all of which were signed back in the 1990s, then crossing over characters would in effect be merging multiple distinct licensing agreements.

I don't see how FOX or Sony would be able to do a movie mashup without violating the spirit of the original agreements. And what would be Marvel's cut of such an event film? If the contracts don't spell it out in detail, Disney/Marvel is certainly within their rights to start negotiations at "ALL OF THE MONEY".

Think of it this way - if a studio purchased to film rights to two Stephen King novels under separate licensing agreements, would they then be able to produce a "Cujo vs. Carrie" movie mashup? Yes, but only if Mr. King agreed to this in the original contracts.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I don't see the point....F4 is gonna suck & Spidey needs to focus on regaining interest in the public's eye instead of resorting to tactics that have already been used (and successfully executed).

Copying the Avengers/MCU isn't going to help Spider-Man.

With the director of Chronicle and writer of DOFP I doubt it

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Because the Disney's licensing agreements for Spidey, the FF and the X-Men are all separate contracts. Unless a precient attorney at FOX or Sony had the wisdom to include crossover language into the agreements, all of which were signed back in the 1990s, then crossing over characters would in effect be merging multiple distinct licensing agreements.

I don't see how FOX or Sony would be able to do a movie mashup without violating the spirit of the original agreements. And what would be Marvel's cut of such an event film? If the contracts don't spell it out in detail, Disney/Marvel is certainly within their rights to start negotiations at "ALL OF THE MONEY".

Think of it this way - if a studio purchased to film rights to two Stephen King novels under separate licensing agreements, would they then be able to produce a "Cujo vs. Carrie" movie mashup? Yes, but only if Mr. King agreed to this in the original contracts.

I still don't understand... yes they're all separate contracts but they're Fox's and Sony's respective film franchises, and if they wanted to bring them together, what would Disney have to do with it?

 

[Zarex]

I still don't understand... yes they're all separate contracts but they're Fox's and Sony's respective film franchises, and if they wanted to bring them together, what would Disney have to do with it?

FOX and Sony both have extremely favorable licensing agreements with Marvel regarding the FF, Spider-Man and X-Men character families. But neither studio owns the underlying IP - Disney/Marvel does. FOX and Sony have to follow the terms of the original signed agreements.

We don't know if the original separate contracts allow for character crossovers, but Zac Penn and Avi Arad have both made comments that suggest that without Disney's approval the separate licensed character families must remain separate. That makes sense, as I highly doubt crossover language would have been included in contracts signed back in the 1990s.

Violating the spirit of the original contract terms could result in a lawsuit from the Mouse. In addition to millions in legal fees, a lawsuit could result in the nullification of the licensing agreements and reversion of the character families to Marvel Studios. I don't think FOX or Sony would be willing to risk that.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

FOX and Sony both have extremely favorable licensing agreements with Marvel regarding the FF, Spider-Man and X-Men character families. But neither studio owns the underlying IP - Disney/Marvel does. FOX and Sony have to follow the terms of the original signed agreements.

We don't know if the original separate contracts allow for character crossovers, but Zac Penn and Avi Arad have both made comments that suggest that without Disney's approval the separate licensed character families must remain separate. That makes sense, as I highly doubt crossover language would have been included in contracts signed back in the 1990s.

Violating the spirit of the original contract terms could result in a lawsuit from the Mouse. In addition to millions in legal fees, a lawsuit could result in the nullification of the licensing agreements and reversion of the character families to Marvel Studios. I don't think FOX or Sony would be willing to risk that.

It's not as if Sony & Fox are planning to work together anyways but since it has nothing to do with Disney (even if they own the IPs they haven't made the films) I don't think Disney should be able to do anything about it. It's all so stupid.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Godammit. I hope the Mouse dies and gets liquidated soon

Good, that means that Star Wars 7 will be free for other studios to acquire soon.....

 

[Donut]

It's not as if Sony & Fox are planning to work together anyways but since it has nothing to do with Disney (even if they own the IPs they haven't made the films) I don't think Disney should be able to do anything about it. It's all so stupid.

Basically it looks like crossovers was never included in the original signed contract in the 90s. Because they were an after thought at the time. So legally they can not crossover unless they get a new contract from Disney that allows crossovers. Earth has a better chance of blowing up before that happens. Disney has say in crossovers because they own the characters. It is as simple as that. It is not that hard to understand

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Basically it looks like crossovers was never included in the original signed contract in the 90s. Because they were an after thought at the time. So legally they can not crossover unless they get a new contract from Disney that allows crossovers. Earth has a better chance of blowing up before that happens. Disney has say in crossovers because they own the characters. It is as simple as that. It is not that hard to understand

well it's not like they were even planning on it in the first place. anyways, this is ****ing lame.

 

[Donut]

well it's not like they were even planning on it in the first place. anyways, this is ****ing lame.

At one point Kinberg kept on mentioning that fox wanted & was planning a Fantastic Four & X-Men crossover. But after a while he has never mentioned it again. So clearly fox legally realized they cant do it & told Kinberg to **** about it. So in other words fox or Sony can not crossover anything. The FF are on their own & fox can at least introduce other X groups for the X-Men. But real crossovers will never happen

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

At one point Kinberg kept on mentioning that fox wanted & was planning a Fantastic Four & X-Men crossover. But after a while he has never mentioned it again. So clearly fox legally realized they cant do it & told Kinberg to **** about it. So in other words fox or Sony can not crossover anything. The FF are on their own & fox can at least introduce other X groups for the X-Men. But real crossovers will never happen

wait what??? Fox needs permission from Disney to even cross FF with X Men? This is so ****ing stupid and complicated. Not only is Disney the only one making a successful cinematic universe, they are getting in the way of other Marvel property studios trying to do it as well. **** it all.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Fox has enough X-Characters to make those films until the end of time. They don't even need the Fantastic Four. But they know the FF is valuable to Marvel so they aren't going to give them up for free.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

wait what??? Fox needs permission from Disney to even cross FF with X Men? This is so ****ing stupid and complicated. Not only is Disney the only one making a successful cinematic universe, they are getting in the way of other Marvel property studios trying to do it as well. **** it all.

I don't see why. Disney owns these properties, not Fox. Fox has a contract to lease Fantastic Four and another contract for X-Men. If they want to have them both in the same film, they need another contract for that. And if they don't have one they would need to negotiate one with Disney.

It is like if I was a restaurant owner and I lease one franchise location from McDonalds and another from Burger King. That doesn't give me the right to sell Big Macs at my Burger King location.

 

[Donut]

I think Sony & Disney are on good terms. Or at least better terms then Disney & fox. Those two hate each other & theres bad blood between them

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't see why. Disney owns these properties, not Fox. Fox has a contract to lease Fantastic Four and another contract for X-Men. If they want to have them both in the same film, they need another contract for that. And if they don't have one they would need to negotiate one with Disney.

It is like if I was a restaurant owner and I lease one franchise location from McDonalds and another from Burger King. That doesn't give me the right to sell Big Macs at my Burger King location.

At the surface you see how WB houses all of DC's characters and while they're not up to speed like they should be, they will be. Meanwhile, Marvel is disjointed due to all this technical ****ing ********. How do you not see that?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

At the surface you see how WB houses all of DC's characters and while they're not up to speed like they should be, they will be. Meanwhile, Marvel is disjointed due to all this technical ****ing ********. How do you not see that?

Marvel leased out the rights to these characters in the 90s in order to save the company. It is something that we just have to live with.

 

[Zarex]

At the surface you see how WB houses all of DC's characters and while they're not up to speed like they should be, they will be. Meanwhile, Marvel is disjointed due to all this technical ****ing ********. How do you not see that?

Despite the potential loss of the Ant-Man film, Marvel Studios will be producing over 40 hours of original MCU content over the next year with A:AOU, AOS, Agent Carter and Daredevil. And disjointed or not, Marvel Studios is the only studio with a successful connected superhero universe. DC may have all their characters, but I don't see WB (or FOX or Sony) challenging Marvel Studio's position as the market leader in filmed comic book entertainment anytime soon.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Despite the potential loss of the Ant-Man film, Marvel Studios will be producing over 40 hours of original MCU content over the next year with A:AOU, AOS, Agent Carter and Daredevil. And disjointed or not, Marvel Studios is the only studio with a successful connected superhero universe. DC may have all their characters, but I don't see WB (or FOX or Sony) challenging Marvel Studio's position as the market leader in filmed comic book entertainment anytime soon.

As great as it is that Marvel is digging into their catalogue of superheroes to bring to life, to be quite honest, I really don't care about any of that; as long as Spiderman, the flagship character, is being kept separate from all of it. It is the equivalent of Warner Bros making their DCCU without a Batman in it; obviously they can and will would never do it without him but them doing that, is what Marvel is doing (and doing a marvelous job) but it's making me personally care less because Spiderman is not a part of it.

And I will forever more say the reason Spiderman's popularity has diminished is because of his absence and subsequent separation from the mcu.

Marvel leased out the rights to these characters in the 90s in order to save the company. It is something that we just have to live with.

I realize that, but since things are different now (we are living in an age where finally superheroes are crossing paths in movies) they should all work together.