Critics' Reviews: Discussion

[Ace of Knaves]

I can't believe how badly it is being trashed by the critics. I just came from Rottentomatoes. I was like...

Yea I honestly don't think it is that bad. I think a lot of the "higher brow" critics are not happy because it isn't as deep as other comic book films from the last year or so.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

^ That's another problem....
All the side characters get more development than Logan and Creed...

Na I wouldn't say that.

I thought Creed was characterized brilliantly.

Logan was watered down though definitely.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well based on how Fox, Hood, and Jackman built it up, it should've been as highbrow as those other films.

 

[magus]

Not arguing the point about the escape, that was crap.

And I will commend them on the Bradley scene. It was in the movie, it is commendable.

And they actually made Blob a deeper character than he is in the comics. But people like to ignore that as well.

Because making your side characters deeper than your main ones is not a good practice. Blob was never a character one paid much attention too and I have no problem with how they represented him in the film, or with many of the other side characters to be honest.

I thought Wolverine himself was mishandled and completely took a back seat to other characters. The first 5 minutes of X1 nailed him better than the majority of this film.

Weapon X was mishandled to the point of incompetence. The basic plot would have been better had it been about just Wolverine leaving the team and not everyone else being such boy scouts. Then they all decide they want him back so they destroy the life he has created for himself and try to capture/brainwash him to be back on the team. Then the final battle could have been Wolvy vs. all of Weapon X. They could even still make Sabretooth do the lame "only I get to kill you" bit and help him out because Stryker wouldn't give him the adamantium. Deadpool would have gotten to play a role similar to Hulk vs. Wolverine and the ending wouldn't be nearly as convoluted.

 

[sniktsnakt]

It could have been epic . . .

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that would of been epic.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm still expecting a pretty big weekend. That's really all Fox cares about at the end of the day. If it gets less than say $70-100 million I will be pretty surprised. A big dropoff next weekend, say 60-70% is almost assured.

I learned to stop trusting Fox though over 3 years ago.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm still expecting a pretty big weekend. That's really all Fox cares about at the end of the day. If it gets less than say $70-100 million I will be pretty surprised. A big dropoff next weekend, say 60-70% is almost assured.

I learned to stop trusting Fox though over 3 years ago.

 

[magus]

Yea that would of been epic.

Not sure if you are referring to the plot I described but that is the most obvious direction to take it in. I would never have even conceived of the BS that they did. I'm all for taking creative risks but there's a limit. The decision they made for the story over the obvious Weapon X one is just nonsensical.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Not sure if you are referring to the plot I described but that is the most obvious direction to take it in. I would never have even conceived of the BS that they did. I'm all for taking creative risks but there's a limit. The decision they made for the story over the obvious Weapon X one is just nonsensical.

I liked your description. An end fight scene with Wolvie vs Weapon X? Sweet. Epic.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm a little surprised that Strykez is surprised about the RT meter. This isn't his first rodeo.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Not sure if you are referring to the plot I described but that is the most obvious direction to take it in. I would never have even conceived of the BS that they did. I'm all for taking creative risks but there's a limit. The decision they made for the story over the obvious Weapon X one is just nonsensical.

Yea I'm talking about him leaving Weapon X after they experiment on him, then eventually having to take on the rest of the team.

They could of done the whole film involving Weapon X. Have them out on a few missions, and maybe have Logan not doing so well or just wanting to be better(adds the more darker animalistic touch to him). He needs to get that extra edge so agrees to the experiment. Then they go on another mission but it turns nasty and they start killing civilians. They try to wipe his mind but it goes wrong, he escapes, goes on the run. Stryker then sends Team X to hunt him down. Have a couple of individual battles with a couple of the team members and Creed, Logan finds out where Stryker is, he wants to go finish it once and for all. He then finds himself up against Deadpool (proper Deadpool, costume, healing factor, Zero's gun powers, teleporting) they have a epic fight then Creed comes to his aid as he doesn't want anyone else to kill him. Deadpool spazzes out or something, the cancer (which would of been explained in the film) starts to react with the healing factor.

But before Logan can take care of Stryker something happens to him, Stryker uses his son to wipe Logans memories or something like that.

That's how I would of done the film. Well, sorta like that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm surprised anybody is surprised about the RT meter on this film. The film is a big fat chliched mess.

IMHO, it's the weakest of the franchise so it deserves these reviews.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Yea I'm talking about him leaving Weapon X after they experiment on him, then eventually having to take on the rest of the team.

They could of done the whole film involving Weapon X. Have them out on a few missions, and maybe have Logan not doing so well or just wanting to be better(adds the more darker animalistic touch to him). He needs to get that extra edge so agrees to the experiment. They try to wipe his mind but it goes wrong, he escapes, goes on the run. Stryker then sends Team X to hunt him down. Have a couple of individual battles with a couple of the team members and Creed, Logan finds out where Stryker is, he wants to go finish it once and for all. He then finds himself up against Deadpool (proper Deadpool, costume, healing factor, Zero's gun powers, teleporting) they have a epic fight then Creed comes to his aid as he doesn't want anyone else to kill him. Deadpool spazzes out or something, the cancer (which would of been explained in the film) starts to react with the healing factor.

But before Logan can take care of Stryker something happens to him, Stryker uses his son to wipe Logans memories or something like that.

That's how I would of done the film. Well, sorta like that.

If only . . . .

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yea I honestly don't think it is that bad. I think a lot of the "higher brow" critics are not happy because it isn't as deep as other comic book films from the last year or so.

Well, considering that Logan is one of Marvel's most mentally and emotionally troubled characters it SHOULD have been as deep--if not deeper--than the Dark Knights, Spider-Mans and Iron Mans out there. The problem now is that these critics (as well as the audiences) are getting kinda spoiled on quality, well-put together films. Microwaved glitzy crap is not going to cut it anymore because the bar has been raised so high.

I'm not saying that this movie is crap though, as I have not seen it. However, having been through several FOX-sponsored Marvel films I know what to expect now. If the ratings are this low now (and the film hasn't even officially opened yet) we can expect this to be a stinker. WOM is going to be uuuggg-lay.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Well, considering that Logan is one of Marvel's most mentally and emotionally troubled characters it SHOULD have been as deep--if not deeper--than the Dark Knights, Spider-Mans and Iron Mans out there. The problem now is that these critics (as well as the audiences) are getting kinda spoiled on quality, well-put together films. Microwaved glitzy crap is not going to cut it anymore because the bar has been raised so high.

I'm not saying that this movie is crap though, as I have not seen it. However, I know what to expect and if the ratings are this low now (and the film hasn't even officially opened yet) we can expect this to be a stinker. WOM is going to be uuuggg-lay.

Guy gets sliced open, mentally raped, and experimented on? Wolverine's healing factor was a curse to him during his WX phase, but this movie misses that. It should at least be as dark as TDK, or it completely misses the boat.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Independent of the critics I believe that word of mouth is going to be quite um...not good.

And yes the dark bregade is right on about this movie, it should have been darker/more serious.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm a little surprised that Strykez is surprised about the RT meter. This isn't her first rodeo.

"Her"? Danoyse is a woman. I am the male mod version.

And I am not surprised it's getting low scores; I am just saddened that FOX didn't wise up and take note of its competitors. Did they really think they could come on the heels of Dark Knight and Iron Man and just throw some **** together and hope it would stick? I mean...really?

I have a distinct feeling this film is not even going to make the kind of money they set out to make.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that was my main hope for this movie last year. I would of thought that after WB and Marvel kicked their asses, Fox would finally realize that the only way to beat the best, was to become the best, join them. Obviously not.

But again, I don't think this is as bad as X3, no where near it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sorry about that Strykez.

Regardless of the poor reviews so far, I think it will still have a strong opening weekend. Chrysler just went under.

Also I agree with Strykez point that with these movies fans aren't going to accept run of the mill crap anymore. We want the absolute best most epic and most bigness and awesomeness.

And its not that hard. It can be done. The X-men franchise got there before. X-men 2 was a very critically well received movie. If we really just got a true sequel to that flick I don't think the franchise would be in the trouble its currently in.

At the end of the day I wish more than anything that Singer had just not done Superman.

DBE is the same thing. Significant fan base and property with a lot of history. Fox totally half-asses it delivers a mediocre product that critics loathe and BOMBS horribly.

Dragon Ball fans are still deluding themselves that the movie is a success and Fox wants to make a sequel.

 

[sniktsnakt]

"Her"? Danoyse is a woman. I am the male mod version.

And I am not surprised it's getting low scores; I am just saddened that FOX didn't wise up and take note of its competitors. Did they really think they could come on the heels of Dark Knight and Iron Man and just throw some **** together and hope it would stick? I mean...really?

I have a distinct feeling this film is not even going to make the kind of money they set out to make.

I know. I loved DK and IM, and Iron Man drives me crazy in the comics and I've never picked up a Batman comic in my life.

I've been one of Wolvie's biggest fans for years, and I have a feeling that this movie is going to kill me a little inside.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm thinking worse multiplier than X3 right now, what say you guys?

 

[TheVileOne]

I dunno. The hype for this movie is really big despite the bad reviews and fan buzz I still don't want to jump the gun and say it underperforms.

FF unfortunately did not under-perform, but then the sequel did and now we are stuck with a non-franchise.

 

[Kanon]

Well, considering that Logan is one of Marvel's most mentally and emotionally troubled characters it SHOULD have been as deep--if not deeper--than the Dark Knights, Spider-Mans and Iron Mans out there. The problem now is that these critics (as well as the audiences) are getting kinda spoiled on quality, well-put together films. Microwaved glitzy crap is not going to cut it anymore because the bar has been raised so high.

I think it is deep and dark, in a sense that the movie show how invulnerable he is, but his constantly hurt emotionally...

And tell me if any other comic movie is as dark as one where the hero gets shot in the head at the end

I'm not saying that this movie is crap though, as I have not seen it. However, having been through several FOX-sponsored Marvel films I know what to expect now. If the ratings are this low now (and the film hasn't even officially opened yet) we can expect this to be a stinker. WOM is going to be uuuggg-lay.

Hopefully, it will get some good word of mouth, all the showings I have been at had good responses from the public.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I dunno. The hype for this movie is really big despite the bad reviews and fan buzz I still don't want to jump the gun and say it underperforms.

FF unfortunately did not under-perform, but then the sequel did and now we are stuck with a non-franchise.

I'm predicting 90mil for it's opening weekend so I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about it's legs after word of mouth kicks in.

X3 had a near 2.3 multiplier, I'm thinking this one could bearly get above a 2.0.

I see a 40+mil friday and horrible drops after that.