Critics' Reviews: Discussion

[night0205]

I agree with Roger Ebert...like half the time...seriously the guy is old. And he's not from my generation...so he has a completely different taste then me. But I do respect his opinion and reviews.

When he hated Gladiator, that's when I started not really caring what he thought.

 

[The Chris]

I'm still looking forward to it because it's X-Men and it'll probably be a good time, but I feel this franchise had more potential than where it's ended up. Especially when X2 is in my top 5 superhero films

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think it is a fair review. The flaws he mentions I completely agree with. Logan was watered down.

 

[night0205]

I'm still looking forward to it because it's X-Men and it'll probably be a good time, but I feel this franchise had more potential than where it's ended up. Especially when X2 is in my top 5 superhero films

Yes, X-men has some of the greatest potential, but it's also the hardest to tackle because of the number of characters, the authority from Fox, and the expectations to follow the x-men movies set before it. I think all these things weight it down.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I agree with Roger Ebert...like half the time...seriously the guy is old. And he's not from my generation...so he has a completely different taste then me. But I do respect his opinion and reviews.

When he hated Gladiator, that's when I started not really caring what he thought.

Yea I couldn't believe that either. How can ANYONE hate Gladiator?

 

[cryptic name]

Yea I'm talking about him leaving Weapon X after they experiment on him, then eventually having to take on the rest of the team.

They could of done the whole film involving Weapon X. Have them out on a few missions, and maybe have Logan not doing so well or just wanting to be better(adds the more darker animalistic touch to him). He needs to get that extra edge so agrees to the experiment. Then they go on another mission but it turns nasty and they start killing civilians. They try to wipe his mind but it goes wrong, he escapes, goes on the run. Stryker then sends Team X to hunt him down. Have a couple of individual battles with a couple of the team members and Creed, Logan finds out where Stryker is, he wants to go finish it once and for all. He then finds himself up against Deadpool (proper Deadpool, costume, healing factor, Zero's gun powers, teleporting) they have a epic fight then Creed comes to his aid as he doesn't want anyone else to kill him. Deadpool spazzes out or something, the cancer (which would of been explained in the film) starts to react with the healing factor.

But before Logan can take care of Stryker something happens to him, Stryker uses his son to wipe Logans memories or something like that.

That's how I would of done the film. Well, sorta like that.

i really like that, Ace. it's a great way of using all the pieces the movie already has, but utilizing them in a mush more interesting and dramatic way.

 

[The Chris]

Yes, X-men has some of the greatest potential, but it's also the hardest to tackle because of the number of characters, the authority from Fox, and the expectations to follow the x-men movies set before it. I think all these things weight it down.

I can see all of that. I always wonder where the series would be now if Singer stayed on though, and we got more than 3 X-Men movies. I don't look at these prequels too badly, but in all honesty, I want to see another X-Men, and with a good filmmaker given the time and money and confidence to make it all work.

 

[magus]

i really like that, Ace. it's a great way of using all the pieces the movie already has, but utilizing them in a mush more interesting and dramatic way.

And the funny part is its the obvious way. Nobody that has ever picked up a comic book would have suggested making one super mutant out of a team of mutants when you already have a team of mutants for him to fight.

 

[Dark Knight]

Agree 100% with the review below......this film was disappointing beyond belief and just another sad Tom Rothman production.....


http://www.insidebayarea.com/movies/ci_12257064

 

[Anita18]

And I am not surprised it's getting low scores; I am just saddened that FOX didn't wise up and take note of its competitors. Did they really think they could come on the heels of Dark Knight and Iron Man and just throw some **** together and hope it would stick? I mean...really?

I have a distinct feeling this film is not even going to make the kind of money they set out to make.

To be fair, they did most of the principal photography before TDK and even IM came out. Even if they added the reshoots, the script was already finalized. I think we'd have to wait until next year's crop to truly see the effects of TDK and IM on comic book movies, and assess them fairly.

When IM they came out, FOX probably went, "Dang." And when TDK came out, they probably flipped their lids. "Oh *#$% we have to follow that?!"

DBE is the same thing. Significant fan base and property with a lot of history. Fox totally half-asses it delivers a mediocre product that critics loathe and BOMBS horribly.

Dragon Ball fans are still deluding themselves that the movie is a success and Fox wants to make a sequel.

Fox dumped DBE even in the marketing phase. Wolverine will do better just because they're spending the advertising dollars and actually trying.

 

[redfirebird2008]

To be fair, they did most of the principal photography before TDK and even IM came out. Even if they added the reshoots, the script was already finalized. I think we'd have to wait until next year's crop to truly see the effects of TDK and IM on comic book movies, and assess them fairly.

When IM they came out, FOX probably went, "Dang." And when TDK came out, they probably flipped their lids. "Oh *#$% we have to follow that?!"


Fox dumped DBE even in the marketing phase. Wolverine will do better just because they're spending the advertising dollars and actually trying.

Not buying the excuse for Wolverine. Hugh Jackman said that Batman Begins was a big influence on it. Seeing as Batman Begins, X2, and a whole host of other really good superhero movies came out before Wolverine even had a script together, I'd say they have no excuse.

 

[Dark Knight]

To be fair, they did most of the principal photography before TDK and even IM came out. Even if they added the reshoots, the script was already finalized. I think we'd have to wait until next year's crop to truly see the effects of TDK and IM on comic book movies, and assess them fairly.

When IM they came out, FOX probably went, "Dang." And when TDK came out, they probably flipped their lids. "Oh *#$% we have to follow that?!"


Fox dumped DBE even in the marketing phase. Wolverine will do better just because they're spending the advertising dollars and actually trying.

This film was disappointing beyond belief and unbalanced. The action sequences were just not good. This film will have a strong opening weekend and then fade fast.

Gavin Hood did a bad job and those ill advised butt shots of Jackman were odd especially since the core demographic of Wolverine and X-Men fans are MALES....not FEMALES! Sheesh....


Way to go Tom Rothman and FOX with this waste of a production!

 

[Anita18]

Not buying the excuse for Wolverine. Hugh Jackman said that Batman Begins was a big influence on it. Seeing as Batman Begins, X2, and a whole host of other really good superhero movies came out before Wolverine even had a script together, I'd say they have no excuse.

I suppose. But I was responding to Strykez's "What on earth was Fox thinking, that they could follow up IM and TDK with something so mediocre?" From what I saw in the workprint, Wolverine doesn't hold a candle to BB or X2, but following IM and TDK is a whole other level.

IMO, TDK blows even its predecessor out of the water.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm talking about the movie not the marketing.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

In my opinion... BB was a better Batman film whereas TDK was a better film overall....

 

[Anita18]

I'm talking about the movie not the marketing.

True. But my point is they really half-assed DBE to the point where they spent all that money and then dumped it. They half-assed the production of Wolverine but pulling out all the stops marketing-wise. Maybe they think they'll trick us.

In my opinion... BB was a better Batman film whereas TDK was a better film overall....

I suppose, if Batman films were a genre...which I guess there's enough of them that they can be considered one.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i really like that, Ace. it's a great way of using all the pieces the movie already has, but utilizing them in a mush more interesting and dramatic way.

Thanks man. Just a rough idea, but that would of been pretty decent I reckon.

 

[redfirebird2008]

In my opinion... BB was a better Batman film whereas TDK was a better film overall....

I can agree with that. The dialogue (constant use of "fear") was not as much of an issue in TDK as it was in BB and the action sequences were improved. But BB was great as a Batman movie since it focused so heavily on the main character.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I suppose. But I was responding to Strykez's "What on earth was Fox thinking, that they could follow up IM and TDK with something so mediocre?" From what I saw in the workprint, Wolverine doesn't hold a candle to BB or X2, but following IM and TDK is a whole other level.

IMO, TDK blows even its predecessor out of the water.

I think your assessment was fair enough. However, I don't think FOX should have even had to see the success of TDK and IM to know their particular formula was not working. Just looking at what happened to FF:ROTS and X3 should have told them that their approach was officially the suck.

FOX seems to believe that if they market a product heavy enough it will yield great $$$ dividends. What they are failing to realize is that the product however is garbage that people regret spending $$$ on in the first place.

It's like winning the battle (a high grossing weekend for example) but losing the war (your film is regarded as crap for decades to come).

 

[redfirebird2008]

I think your assessment was fair enough. However, I don't think FOX should have even had to see the success of TDK and IM to know their particular formula was not working. Just looking at what happened to FF:ROTS and X3 should have told them that their approach was officially the suck.

FF1 sucked too.

 

[night0205]

BB was about Batman, TDK was about Joker.

 

[Ziggyman]

BB, X2 and IM...Are all universally condidered good movies...To me, they're good, but hell overrated...

And I think, that since this movie will be sized up and compared to the aforementiond titles...It just won't measure up to what I consider, wildly overrated fims...

 

[lordofthenerds]

FF1 sucked too.

Don't forget Daredevil and Elektra.

 

[TheVileOne]

BB, X2 and IM...Are all universally condidered good movies...To me, they're good, but hell overrated...

And I think, that since this movie will be sized up and compared to the aforementiond titles...It just won't measure up to what I consider, wildly overrated fims...

So then Wolverine would be underrated because its a great movie!

 

[YJ1]

The Daredevil director's cut is upper echelon good.

Is that favorable USA Today review in the paper today or will it be in tomorrow's hard copy edition? The first Iron Man 2 photos will be in Friday's paper, I'm hoping the movie reviews will as well. Worth looking for a copy for both.