Daredevil's 3 Seasons Equal Or Surpass TDK Trilogy And Feige Had Nothing To Do With It... Discuss.

[Mjolnir Reborn]

First of all: bring more clarity to your posts next time so these misunderstandings don’t happen again.

Second of all: I now realize you’re not making an argument based on popularity with your Doom example(which is easy to get confused since this whole thread is about quality and comparing the quality between two different pieces of entertainment to each other, so me along with the poster you were initially arguing with had assumed that to be the case). I mean, It’s hard to imagine anyone would ever bother asking you who is the best Doctor Doom since that is a question usually asked for characters who have had popular/well-liked adaptions(i.e, Batman, Superman, and even the Hulk) there have been no adaptions of the character of any quality(which I guess is a moot point since you’re not arguing from that angle). But even then they would likely ask you who’s the least worst Doom rather than who’s the ‘best’. In theory, yes you could be ask who’s the ‘best’ Doom but when you brought up the point in relation to your response to Joker’s post replying to you about Bale’s Batman it seemed to me you were saying Bale’s Batman can’t be seen as definitive because were essentially saying being judged as ‘best’ could apply to characters who’ve been adapted poorly which caused the misunderstanding( though the way you worded it certainly didn’t help matters of course).

But anyway I’ll stop replying to you now. I don’t want to derail the topic. I expect another response but I won’t even bother replying.

You have no room to talk about clarity when you didn't even try to explain your objection to the example. That is a hypocritical attitude towards it.

Your stance doesn't exactly get better as I now know exactly why the misunderstanding happened, as I deliberately re-explained things to you in my last post by just repeating things I had already said, as a test. Since you got it now it's apparently not the explanation that's wrong, meaning that it has to be you that didn't bother to read what I had written before.

As for "which is best" vs "which is the least bad", both are relative questions that will result in the same answers. The structure of them means that any possible implication of the general quality of the choices will be made by the enquirer, not by the answerer (unless he makes additional statements with his answer, of course). Important distinctions when communicating. I've also seen people ask "which of these are the best" out of poor options tons of times, so it's hardly an uncommon thing.

I have no idea why you would think my point was that Bale can't be seen as definitive when I've written that the issue is subjective three times. It seems to be a new trend in the thread to ignore things stated multiple times.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

lol, me and the poster he was initially replying to wasn’t sure what he was trying to say because how which got even excerbated with his Doom comparison which I wasn’t sure where he was going with it.

And the last part of your post is just laughable. I couldn’t care less about someone bad-mouthing TDK I care about whether I can understand where they’re coming from which I simplify understand didn’t with his posts.

And the other poster just ignored statements from him repeatedly and you apparently understood when he just repeated the same thing he had already written, so it sure looked like some emotional agenda behind the confusion. If you read what he writes straight up it's not hard to get, but you seemed more eager to dismiss what he wrote instead of trying to understand.

I've had a discussion with the other poster about TDK as well and I was met with a less than respectful tone when I voiced some negative opinions about parts of the movie. That movie seems to be a more sore subject than most other on the forum.

 

[Yowza]

Only thing I didn't like about the Dark Knight was perhaps wrapping it up too quickly with 2 Face but in the context of the movie and way it ended they actually pulled it off fluidly without being a distraction or feeling overly forced (Edit: Now that think of it, I didn't think subtext-wise Nolan's definition of anarchy vs. capitalism through the representation of Joker was an entirely fair depiction of anarchy. That being said it was a great adaptation and re-imagining of the Joker though).

Batman Begins sort of felt like 2 separate movies but still pretty good overall. The 3rd one with Tale of 2 Cities by Charles Dickens was an interesting inspiration to interweave into a Batman film but cops in the sewers (*face palm) and other elements just a bit too heavy handed for my liking. Bruce Wayne having his vertabrate punched back in place was just stupid and ridiculous but overall the emotional journey topped with a leap of faith to escape the prison and will to survive and return to Gotham was very well done.

I have to admit not to having watched the 3rd season of Daredevil but will when renew my subscription on a weekend I have the chance to watch it. I got a bit disillusioned with some of the other Netflix shows and did have some issues with pacing and lost moments to interweave more story dense plot. Overall, it's just kind of like the amount of story you get in a movie just spread out with lower budget and with episodic pacing one would expect on a subscription type service to binge the whole thing in 3-4 days.

Overall, I'll have to give it to TDK as far as comparing the timeframe of what the entertainment world was like when those movies came out vs. today with Netflix streaming (*Daredevil Season 3 is going to be the best Netflix show yet I fully anticipate though but even if awsome the other stuff will average it out as too much volume over quality). At the moment, TV shows still have another leap to go for me as far as superhero depictions go but are getting there. I can watch that scene with Kingpin and Murdock in season 2 over and over same with multiple other scenes from the series which frustrates me when there are certain elements I don't care for since there are some that are so good.

 

[Yowza]

As an aside, I agree the Vs. threads are getting to be a little too much. Traffic is limited in certain areas of the site so I understand (people click on the Marvel forum aren't going to scroll to bottom of pg. to click on vs. forums). A lot of forums only wake up when the movie/show is immediately forthcoming or there's an announcement. Otherwise everyone just sort of traffics to same areas or same threads I've noticed.

Perhaps some redirect button at the top of the Marvel forum with neon lit exterior saying "Fight Zone" would be good arena entrance.

 

[Yowza]

I just finished Season 3 in 3 days which did not plan to.

This season was very well done. I can tell some adjustments were made as even the non-boss based fight scenes felt a bit more involving somehow (Hallway fights were good though). The dialogue for some of the transition scenes isn't sparse and adds layering that also felt more involving as an audience member.

I still think the whole "no-kill" rule Matt keeps saying comes off as slightly ridiculous cause lets face it many of the beat-downs he's given would probably kill someone in real life (yeah, I know it's a gritty comic book show so motorcyclist going down on head in stairwell season 2 just a pow effect). Still there's Nobu moment in Season 1, his interactions with the Punisher and Elektra, not to mention a few moments in Season 3 where he facilitates certain things as happening in a reactionary manner and 1 moment in last episode where he arranges for a certain individual to cause havoc for him. However, this season was so involving I didn't care as much.

The type of show they were trying to make they did well. I think if there is a send-off at some point Netflix should work with Marvel to make a couple movies to release in Theaters. Honestly, if the Netflix/Marvel deal didn't include so much volume I think the 3 seasons of Daredevil as they stand-alone are pretty darn good for the budget they had. They held back on certain story details dragging them out through the season with some of these shows but if they all follow the example of Season 3 that's what is possible.

So yeah, it's a tough call but Daredevil arguably is a more nuanced portrayal. It just needs more time still to show him swinging around with his Billy Clubs. A bit of Daredevil vision thrown in and taken just in context with the Daredevil seasons with some more added story thrown in and Daredevil will rival any superhero depiction out there. I will say that the acting is top-notch in all the Netflix shows (the movies bit cardboard but brought up by of course other aspects of production). Now with Season 3, the shows acting was more complimented by other production elements as well.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Charlie Cox is the best live action Batman to date. Daredevil all the way.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I went with the "equal" option, which almost feels like a cop-out but I just couldn't decide which one is better. In some ways I feel like Daredevil took the Nolan model of the "dark, realistic vigilante" and perfected it. On the other hand, Nolan did it first and deserves credit for being the pioneer. And while TDKR has a lot of weak spots, so does DD season 2. And conversely, TDKR has a great villain (Bane) and DD season 2 has a great antagonist in the first half (Frank Castle).

 

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[eon001]

Hehe interesting topic. It's funny to me because the first thought that entered my mind after I completed Daredevil Season 3 was "This was a more enjoyable and satisfying experience that The Dark Knight".

I kept my feelings to myself because it's really an unfair comparison, but my emotions don't lie.

 

[Awest66]

I've already voted on this poll in favor of the TDK trilogy but I will say this. I think that movie series had a much better supporting cast than Daredevil (I like Foggy and Karen just fine but they've got nothing on Jim Gordon)

 

[2kt09]

I've already voted on this poll in favor of the TDK trilogy but I will say this. I think that movie series had a much better supporting cast than Daredevil (I like Foggy and Karen just fine but they've got nothing on Jim Gordon)

those two drag it down pretty substantially