Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 2

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[Lighthouse]

I actually do think Koba went into evil territory at the end, but I felt the progression was very, very natural. To quote Drew McWeeney, the circumstances and his own personal pain and hatred of humans metastasized into something very, very dark towards the end.

 

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[MessiahDecoy123]

When Koba points to his scars one by one and says "human, work" ... ****ing great scene.

Agreed.

and Caesar didn't have s**t to say. t:

 

[titansupes]

Maurice was played by a woman? Mindblown.

Also, I freaked out for a minute when Koba shot him at the end, I thought he was a goner. Glad he's not.

 

[Lighthouse]

What happened to Maurice at the end......I actually lost my moral compass. I suddenly went "Caesar, kill that mother****er!!!!!!"

 

[JP]

God, this movie.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

****ing Maurice, tho.

AND KOBA.

AND BLUE EYES.

AND CAESAR.

 

[:eek:]

It made me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvXry24hKA

 

[samsnee]

Serkis and others undoubtedly did excellent work in this movie. But I can see where some people might not think the acting is equivalent to a normal on screen role. Let's say that in one scene, the director thinks the character should look happier or angrier. They can always go back in post and create that on a computer. But you can't do that in a normal movie where you have to work with whatever the actor gave you.

 

[jmc]

^ That's not really true because actors get called back all the time to do reshoots. The thing is with motion capture acting is that the director is still treating everything like it's a live action movie, so if there was a scene that the director wasn't happy with he's more than likely going to call the mo-cap actor back in the same way, because as good as the animators are they're not the ones giving the performance. You could definitely do it, animation does require the animator to be an actor of sorts, but it might not end up the same. Digital characters like the one in Apes really is a collaborative performance, it's essentially to creatives types combining for one character.

 

[DA_Champion]

So we can think of this as merely a fancy form of costume and makeup.

 

[jmc]

To a degree, but really it's just a more enhanced form of traditional animation practices. Animators have been using motion video reference to capture performance and movement since the early days of animation. Snow White for example was acted out in live action first, recorded then used as reference for the animators to draw from. Apes and other modern films with digital characters employ the same techniques, the difference here is the degree of reference, it's not just about capturing movement, it's about capture the entire performance from the actor. It's a genuine collaborative effort because the animator has to replicate the emotions, idiosyncrasies and nuances of the actor in digital form, not just the movement.

 

[Loki882]

I think that, like a lot of areas in society, opinions tend to harden with age and often lag behind the times. A lot of, at least the older, critics have a set notion of what "real" is when it comes to movies, and it's extremely difficult to change their minds.

 

[MarvelU]

Fantastic film, I was satisfied with it. My favorite movie of the year so far.

 

[Boom]

My top 5 of the year so far:

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Lego Movie
Godzilla
X-Men: Days of Future Past

 

[redhawk23]

Serkis and others undoubtedly did excellent work in this movie. But I can see where some people might not think the acting is equivalent to a normal on screen role. Let's say that in one scene, the director thinks the character should look happier or angrier. They can always go back in post and create that on a computer. But you can't do that in a normal movie where you have to work with whatever the actor gave you.

And an editor can rework a performance giving an actor subtlety or comedic timing they completely lacked on set.

 

[Etienne]

What happened to Maurice at the end......I actually lost my moral compass. I suddenly went "Caesar, kill that mother****er!!!!!!"

I believe he was [BLACKOUT]shot (grazed?) by a bullet on his arm when Koba started shooting wildly at apes after the tower went down. I know he survived, he was there at the end kneeling before Caesar.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[redhawk23]

Reeves on the original ending of the film, which was cut very late in the game.

http://www.slashfilm.com/deleted-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-ending/

 

[Lighthouse]

I believe he was [BLACKOUT]shot (grazed?) by a bullet on his arm when Koba started shooting wildly at apes after the tower went down. I know he survived, he was there at the end kneeling before Caesar.[/BLACKOUT]

He was, but at that moment I'd only seen him [BLACKOUT]get shot.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Etienne]

He was, but at that moment I'd only seen him [BLACKOUT]get shot.[/BLACKOUT]

My mistake, I thought your original post was a question. Yes I agree, Maurice stole my heart...when he tells Malcolm to "run". Damn.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm all for these animatronic (or whatever it's called) actors getting the credit they deserve, but I think just as many people tend to give them too much credit.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

My mistake, I thought your original post was a question. Yes I agree, Maurice stole my heart...when he tells Malcolm to "run". Damn.

and those were the first words Maurice ever said making that moment even more powerful.

 

[weezerspider]

I actually have to admit that on second viewing, Koba's progression was a bit flimsier, though still perfectly fine. It wasn't as perfect as I remembered though. It's still a great blockbuster. The story doesn't hold up quite as much second go around, but the craft does. Nice to see a few long takes (though they cut out of two which annoyed me) in a blockbuster.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the next film is called War of the Planet of the Apes.