Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 2

And an editor can rework a performance giving an actor subtlety or comedic timing they completely lacked on set.

Yeah I think it was PSH who said a good director and editor can elevate a good performance into a great performance and he'd lying if he'd say that hasn't happened to him before. Schoonmaker and Scorsese play around with pacing quite a bit. One of the behind the scenes bits of Goodfellas shows that they rehearsed the 'you think I'm funny' scene without that much of a wait before Ray Liota starts laughing. They added a good three or four seconds which is actually quite a bit in that sequence. They also said much of Raging Bull was taking improv from one take and editing it with improv from another take, creating a conversation that never actually was performed as one.
 
What about 'Age of the Planet of the Apes'?
 
Good points by all in regards to directors editing live actor performances after the fact. Hopefully the Academy sees it that way as I do think Serkis is worthy to be nominated.

I like Revenge of the Planet of the Apes. But probably can't do that until after Caesar gets killed.
 
So, here is my big question. Is this going to lead up to an actual "The Planet of the Apes" movie, with George Taylor and everything?
 
Finally saw this Wednesday. Truly, the best movie I saw this Summer so far. Over everything else, I think it's a film where the director and the writers trusted the audience to be interested and engaged with the story and their execution, without any bells and whistles that seemed false to me. The perfomances and SFX that undergird so many, were very, very goid. I saw it in 3D and was actually pleased with how that came out. It was an immersive experience. I think that more than even RotPotA, DAWN made me eager to see the next and perhaps last chapter in this reboot's story.
 
So, here is my big question. Is this going to lead up to an actual "The Planet of the Apes" movie, with George Taylor and everything?

Not exactly. It will lead up to the 1968 film but they're not remaking it. Just showing how it got there.

“For me, the big thing was to try and be aware of entering the ‘Apes’ universe, but at the same time try to do something we haven’t quite seen yet and go along the same trajectory toward the 1968 movie,” Reeves explained. “The world of ‘Rise’ and ‘Dawn’ is so different than the 1968 movie, so the fun of that is, is to try to imagine how our world becomes the world of the original.”

Unlike the reference at the end of “Rise,” “Dawn” doesn’t mention the manned rocket getting lost in orbit and losing contact with Earth. But Reeves, who is signed on to direct the next “Apes” film, said just because they’re didn’t talk about the Icarus in “Dawn,” doesn’t mean the idea of wayward spaceship is lost, well, in space. After all, the return of the spaceship to Earth is what sets the 1968 movie in motion.

“I still find it interesting that when I first got involved in ‘Dawn,’ somebody asked me if it was boring knowing what the end of the story was, as long as you know that it becomes the world of the 1968 film,” Reeves noted. “I said that knowing that world was the most exciting part.”

That’s because, Reeves explained, the stories being told through the “Rise” and “Dawn” movies “don’t tell you about what happened, but about how it happened.”

“The idea of exploring the how and the why through Caesar and future generations makes it like an epic, mythic and exciting generational ‘Apes’ story to me,” Reeves said. “I’m actually hoping that we don’t get to the 1968 story too soon because there’s a rich story to be told along the way, but I definitely want to get there. I think that’s the part of the fun of the story, knowing that the Icarus comes back down and the astronauts return not knowing where they are, only to discover the planet that Charlton Heston did in the original. That’s in our minds as we’re trying to figure out the trajectory and as we’re trying to figure out the next story.”

http://directconversations.com/2014/07/14/interview-director-matt-reeves-talks-dawn-planet-apes/
 
I saw it today, the performance capture and CGI work is unparallelled, especially when it comes to recreating something we have a living breathing reference point for.

The film overall was good and treaded some well worn themes with a light touch. Koba was a great villain born out of hate, the ape counterparts to Carver basically. I wish there'd been more scenes with Malcolm and Caesar and his son and Maurice, I felt they only scratched the surface of those relationships.

The action was pretty good, Koba doing a Rooster Cogburn was cool and the final showdown between Caeser and Koba was good. The set design was also crisp and immerse. Definitely a strong sequel, hopefully there will be a 3rd.

8.5/20
 
Just come back from seeing it, an excellent film in it's own right and as a sequel to continue good work of previous film. As others have said, the mo cap performance and general SFX was outstanding, taking all to another level.

I would say though as is the want these days, the trailer shows all and it was a 'predictable' route to the finale but the build getting there was very well executed.

Final shots where epic and lead very well to a third film which as others are indicating should in theory bring us to the original POTA.
 
I just watched this as well. Here are my thoughts:

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I liked it quite a bit!
 
I guess they are going with ideas the new films are prequels to just the original Ape film or
the new films are the true past before the time travel of later films.
 
I guess they are going with ideas the new films are prequels to just the original Ape film or
the new films are the true past before the time travel of later films.


Yes, I believe this is what they were going for (the true past before the time travel of later films).



OK, I'm probably a little older than most of you, as I was a kid in the early 70's during the original Ape Mania. I loved the series, had the action figures, bubble gum cards, Marvel magazines, etc.

I really enjoyed Dawn, though not as much as I thought I would, I think because all the hype around here. But, I really did enjoy it! I also think I was expecting a more "down" ending than we got. This and Rise both had a much more "positive" ending than the originals use to have.

Anyway, being a huge fan of the original series, I am very happy that the franchise is relevant again and so well received!
 
Just saw this, and I enjoyed it very much just like ROTPOTA. I can't wait for the third film! 7+


Other than the phrase "Ape shall never kill ape" from 1973's BFTPOTA. Were there any other nods to the previous films that I might of missed in DOTPOTA?
 
Other than the phrase "Ape shall never kill ape" from 1973's BFTPOTA. Were there any other nods to the previous films that I might of missed in DOTPOTA?

The whole basic idea of Battle with Caesar teaching/leading a group of apes in peace with one another but his rival (Aldo/Koba) wanting to take over and kill/rule over the humans leading to a big human/ape battle.

The bus with the ape prisoners might've been a slight nod to the human bus massacre in Battle.

Apes on horseback with guns being an obvious nod to the original film.

Michael Giacchino giving a nod to Jerry Goldsmith's score:

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Anybody think we will eventually get the mutants in one of these films?
 
Anybody think we will eventually get the mutants in one of these films?

I don't know which Mutants you are referring to but I do think a new threat will emerge in the third film that will see the humans and apes having to put aside their war and work together.
 
I don't know which Mutants you are referring to but I do think a new threat will emerge in the third film that will see the humans and apes having to put aside their war and work together.
Their from the 2nd and 5th Planet Of The Apes.
The telepathic ones from the 2nd movie? I hope not.
i personally think the mutants can work as a new threat rather than another humans vs apes battle.I think the mutants are going to be adressed eventually.Of course they won't be the same as the original series,but if anything maybe closer to the 5th movies Mutants.

Also I don't think this is a prequel,but more of a reboot.There are alot of things that really cancel each other out that stop this from being a prequel series.This timeline kinda explains it:http://io9.com/5827029/planet-of-the-apes-a-timeline-and-explanation
 
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Also I don't think this is a prequel,but more of a reboot.There are alot of things that really cancel each other out that stop this from being a prequel series.This timeline kinda explains it:http://io9.com/5827029/planet-of-the-apes-a-timeline-and-explanation

It's both a prequel and reboot as confirmed by the director. The timeline doesn't matter as they're only concerning themselves with the original 1968 film. The sequels they're basically cherry picking what they like (Rise loose remake of Conquest and Dawn loose remake of Battle). Eventually, they want this series to lead up to the 1968 film.

“For me, the big thing was to try and be aware of entering the ‘Apes’ universe, but at the same time try to do something we haven’t quite seen yet and go along the same trajectory toward the 1968 movie,” Reeves explained. “The world of ‘Rise’ and ‘Dawn’ is so different than the 1968 movie, so the fun of that is, is to try to imagine how our world becomes the world of the original.”
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“The idea of exploring the how and the why through Caesar and future generations makes it like an epic, mythic and exciting generational ‘Apes’ story to me,” Reeves said. “I’m actually hoping that we don’t get to the 1968 story too soon because there’s a rich story to be told along the way, but I definitely want to get there. I think that’s the part of the fun of the story, knowing that the Icarus comes back down and the astronauts return not knowing where they are, only to discover the planet that Charlton Heston did in the original. That’s in our minds as we’re trying to figure out the trajectory and as we’re trying to figure out the next story.”

http://directconversations.com/2014/07/14/interview-director-matt-reeves-talks-dawn-planet-apes/
 
This film was awesome! It blended drama and action very well and got pretty damn intense at times. I loved it and can't wait for the next film.
 
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