DC to "Rebirth" in June

[Defacto]

These reboots and deaths and rebirths and coming back from the deads is why I don't read new superhero comics anymore. Not that I would maybe read them anyways, since no matter what, they are redundant. To me atleast. But what would maybe help, is that they should just let the old characters like Bruce Wayne age and eventually really die. There are enough characters to take over the mantle of Batman and what have you. The new characters can always remember the old characters. Let them become the legends they already are anyway. And if you miss Bruce Wayne or some other dead character, just read his old adventures. It would be maybe more fluent way to remake these things. Characters should die and new ones should rise up. But it's never going to happen of course.

 

[Slade W]

I don't like the way there are lots of #1's in comics either. They do not feel as special anymore.

 

[Decepticonus]

These reboots and deaths and rebirths and coming back from the deads is why I don't read new superhero comics anymore. Not that I would maybe read them anyways, since no matter what, they are redundant. To me atleast. But what would maybe help, is that they should just let the old characters like Bruce Wayne age and eventually really die. There are enough characters to take over the mantle of Batman and what have you. The new characters can always remember the old characters. Let them become the legends they already are anyway. And if you miss Bruce Wayne or some other dead character, just read his old adventures. It would be maybe more fluent way to remake these things. Characters should die and new ones should rise up. But it's never going to happen of course.

Dredd ages.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

What're the odds on them using this to bring back another bead character? After GL and Flash Rebirth, this could just be another one of those.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I hope it's not a reboot. If it's a merging of the pre and post Flashpoint universes, I'd have not problem with that. Could be something completely different though.

 

[dude stannis]

I hpoe they don't merge them. Just give us series set in both worlds. I like the idea of picking up pre-Flashpoint five years later and seeing what a world without Superman looks like.

 

[Mani-Man]

Its hard to say what they plan, especially with the "rebirth" name.

For all the things they messed up with the new 52, there are actually some good things that came out of it.

But other things went completely wrong.

Superman desperatly needed a new direction, but the one they choose in new 52 was awful.

It speaks for itself when the best wonder woman story since the reboot, is for most people legend of wonder woman...which sticks closer to the original origin.

A few things have been good in the new 52, but not enough.

One of the problems i think, was that they wanted too much too fast.
They started with drastic changes from the very start, instead of slowly changing it.

 

[BH/HHH]

What I don't get is how they continue to mess up Superman. All you have to do is go from the Byrne era to the Death & Return of Superman and you can see right there how to write Supeman. They always over complicate things.

DC should reboot the entire universe this time not do what they did with the New 52 where they didn't go all out.

 

[Young Superman]

What I don't get is how they continue to mess up Superman. All you have to do is go from the Byrne era to the Death & Return of Superman and you can see right there how to write Supeman. They always over complicate things.

DC should reboot the entire universe this time not do what they did with the New 52 where they didn't go all out.

Agreed

 

[Young Superman]

If they are rebooting DC again, and we can't have the classic or DCEU Superman costumes, I want something like this for Superman costume.

 

[Gee]

Snyder teases "biggest DC stuff" once Capullo returns from his 6-month break:
https://***********/Ssnyder1835/status/691072338016780289

Those two on the JL book? Maybe some big event...

 

[BH/HHH]

Snyder teases "biggest DC stuff" once Capullo returns from his 6-month break:
https://***********/Ssnyder1835/status/691072338016780289

Those two on the JL book? Maybe some big event...

I threshing, if Snyder were to be on the JL books would this be his foray into comics?

 

[BH/HHH]

If they are rebooting DC again, and we can't have the classic or DCEU Superman costumes, I want something like this for Superman costume.

The belt reminds me of another design but I can't think where I've seen it. Possibly for one of the abandoned Superman projects.

 

[Slade W]

I really hope Snyder stays on Batman and does not start working on Justice League. He will be a big loss to Batman (which is my favourite comic) and I cannot think of anyone that could replace him.

 

[Decepticonus]

I hpoe they don't merge them. Just give us series set in both worlds. I like the idea of picking up pre-Flashpoint five years later and seeing what a world without Superman looks like.

Again, I think that could just over-saturate the market. Plus what if let's say New 52 Superman sells but New 52 Batman doesn't sell, do they just cancel the respective others? I get the reasoning and thinking behind having both but I think long term it may not work

It speaks for itself when the best wonder woman story since the reboot, is for most people legend of wonder woman...which sticks closer to the original origin.

What about Azzarello/Chang Wonder Woman?

What I don't get is how they continue to mess up Superman. All you have to do is go from the Byrne era to the Death & Return of Superman and you can see right there how to write Supeman. They always over complicate things.

DC should reboot the entire universe this time not do what they did with the New 52 where they didn't go all out.

1.) This is Superman we're talking about, he is quite complicated to write for given how powerful he is.

2.) The New 52 was no "soft reboot" as they tried to put it, but wouldn't that also piss off readers?

I really hope Snyder stays on Batman and does not start working on Justice League. He will be a big loss to Batman (which is my favourite comic) and I cannot think of anyone that could replace him.

Agreed. He's doing fine over there, if they want to change the creative teams on the other Batman titles, sure. But if ain't broke, why fix it, right? Perhaps one arc for JL under Snyder wouldn't hurt. Cause Johns is decent, his stuff is always something I can wait to read later on. If they kicked him off would I celebrate? No, but I wouldn't be disappointed either.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman is not complicated, to many writers over complicate things

The New 52 didn't reboot every character, Green Lantern and Batman carried on from their previous storylines. Sure they numbering was new but they should have rebooted everyone.

 

[Decepticonus]

Superman is not complicated, to many writers over complicate things

The New 52 didn't reboot every character, Green Lantern and Batman carried on from their previous storylines. Sure they numbering was new but they should have rebooted everyone.

True... yet not. I cannot say for GL, but for Batman there was no longer Year One, that got replaced with Zero Year. I know Babs was in a wheel chair, not sure if she was ever Oracle though. Apparently Joker had something to do with Jason Todd's entire history. We know Bane came to Gotham and broke Batman, but the rest of Knightfall is up in the air, there certainly was no Azarel. Mr. Freeze has a new origin. They took all of the Batman mythos (or most) and squeezed them into a 6 year history. So, soft reboot my ass I'm afraid.

 

[BH/HHH]

True... yet not. I cannot say for GL, but for Batman there was no longer Year One, that got replaced with Zero Year. I know Babs was in a wheel chair, not sure if she was ever Oracle though. Apparently Joker had something to do with Jason Todd's entire history. We know Bane came to Gotham and broke Batman, but the rest of Knightfall is up in the air, there certainly was no Azarel. Mr. Freeze has a new origin. They took all of the Batman mythos (or most) and squeezed them into a 6 year history. So, soft reboot my ass I'm afraid.

Yea but they didn't start the titles fresh, that's my point. Zero Year came much later. I think they bottled doing a full on reboot personally.

 

[Slade W]

Wouldn't it have been up to the individual writers in regards to what is still part of continuity? If Snyder could make Year One no longer canon, then I am sure he could have made other big stories non canon also. Maybe the writers of other characters wanted to remove more stories from canon than Snyder did when it came to Batman.

 

[dude stannis]

Again, I think that could just over-saturate the market. Plus what if let's say New 52 Superman sells but New 52 Batman doesn't sell, do they just cancel the respective others? I get the reasoning and thinking behind having both but I think long term it may not work

Oh no my friend, that's not what I meant, because as cool as that would be, it would tank the company. I was thinking of relegating Pre-Flashpoint into something like the Earth One or Earth Two runs. Where it's either sporadic one shots, or just a single monthly series. For better or worse, the current continuity is here to stay.

 

[Mani-Man]

What about Azzarello/Chang Wonder Woman?

From what i understand, people are very torn on their stand on this particular Wonder Woman.
Personally i hadnt had the change to read it...i stopped reading everything wonder woman related when the whole Superman/Wonder Woman garbage started.


Personally i think Superman is a bit complicated to write, but its a good challenge and it speaks for a writer when he gets a superman story right.


The New 52 feels a bit like a "soft" reboot, i think that is why it failed for many.
A Hard reboot is almost impossible, and it gets even harder with every passing year.

Rebooting something that is there for over 60-70 years and has still such an strong impact on people...that is not easy.
A full reboot needs to be planned out carefully and in long terms.

But even if you do that, which writers would you entrust with a complete reboot?
For Batman you have snyder, but he threw off many people with the zero year arc and the current one...so could fans and dc trust him to rewrite batmans 70+ years?

Its hard to say what the best move for DC would be.
Personally im kind of leaning towards fusing the pre flashpoint and new 52 universe...taking the best of both universes could help.

 

[Webhead2006]

that is what i thought was stupid with the new 52 characters like gl and batman didnt have much changed on them. A few little things here and there. But guys like superman, ww, aquaman had complete overhauls.

As for snyder i saw rumor he might leave the bat book he is on for the other main bat book.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I still can't get over the stupidity of them allegedly forcing the focus on their film properties. Diversity is the way to go, just look at how Marvel dominates the market. I can pitch a pile of new books right here:

Blue Beetle/Booster Gold: Combining the return of a beloved duo gone for far too long with the irreverent humor that makes the likes of Harley, Deadpool, and Squirrel Girl so popular is a sure fire recipe for success and for Pete's sake put Giffen at the helm!

Static Shock: Youth and diversity are all the rage and are key to drawing in new readers. Static nails both.

Saint Walker: Space is huge, there's plenty of room for heroes that aren't Hal Jordan. The zen-like Blue Lantern philosophy offers up a unique take on the "space cop" genre and has huge potential. Imagine getting Grant Morrison on this book!

The Question: Montoya not only offers some more prime diversity, a noir styled book like The Question would offer a refreshingly unique book in the comic lineup.

Legends of Tomorrow: With the new series a huge hit, capitalize by making it a thing in the comics. Rip Hunter assembles a rotating team of expendable heroes and villains to travel through time. The possibilities are endless!

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't think they will be in continuity with the films/TV series just that they'll base the looks and worlds off them.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I threshing, if Snyder were to be on the JL books would this be his foray into comics?

Scott Snyder, not Man of Steel director Zack Snyder. Scott Snyder has been writing comics for a while.