DC's most sympathetic villain

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Who, in your opinion, is DC's most sympathetic villain? What villain has that origin that really makes you sympathize with him, even though they might go ahead and, you know, slaughter some people every now and then.

For me it's Hank Henshaw. Before Sinestro Corps, I thought he was just some random strong-man-thug villain, but after reading SCW I saw what a tragic guy he is. Then of course there's the classic one, the post-Batman TAS makeover Mr. Freeze. That episode gets me everytime.
 
Off the top of my head I'd prolly think Freeze

Or after the events of 52 Black Adam
 
Definately Black Adam.
 
Superboy Prime.
Well, tragic in a different sense, maybe. As in, me having to read him is a tragedy.

For me, I have to admit that Teth-Adam, Hank Henshaw, and Victor Fries are up there in the most sympathetic villains (as denoted by the fact that we all like to call them by their real-world names, especially Henshaw.) But for my money, it's Captain Cold and the Joker.

In the Killing Joke, we are treated to a portrait of a fragile, pained man, a man who knows he's funny, but for some reason, when he really needs them, the people around him aren't there to support him. Nobody gets up on stage and tells jokes unless they're good at that in everyday life. But somehow, the jokes that worked at the water cooler or in the bar don't work on stage, and with a baby on the way and no steady income, this man is at the brink. Finally, that last element of stability is removed from his life, and he sinks into a nihilist existential crisis. For most people, that would be as awful as it gets. But it gets worse. A victim of a misunderstanding, he'd rather end his life than get taken in. From there, his life takes a downward spiral into an absurd, macabre nightmare. Of course, these days DC wants me to believe that the Joker was just another hitman, a bland, boring nothing-character. Nothing tragic or sympathetic about the prima donna BatCon gave us. So if the Joker is Alan Moore's Joker, he's incredibly, intensely, tragically sympathetic. If the Joker is this silly thing from BatCon, never mind. He's just another useless Silver Age one-dimensional villain.

Captain Cold is sympathetic in a whole different way. Here's a guy who's just making a living, doing his job. He's not tragically sympathetic, he's just an everyday joe.

Speaking of Rogues, I'm also quite fond of the Pied Piper. Leaving aside the idea of Piper-as-Anti-Life, Piper has been through quite a lot that would tax anyone's sanity. He went straight, and unlike the other Rogues who went straight, his reform was not by way of mind****, if I remember correctly. But at the end of the day, the heroes never did trust him. They never let him turn over a new leaf. No one would give him a chance. And when he was thrust into a horrific situation beyond his control, Wally never even gave him a chance to be innocent, so he did what any guilty person would do. Truly a tragic figure, and at the moment of Trickster's death, there were no two more sympathetic villains than those two.
 
I have to agree about The Joker. There's nothing more frightening than the corruption of the human soul, because of how incredibly easy it is to slip into, which makes The Joker scary and creepy as a metaphor as well as a character.
 
Jokers certainly got that born out o tragedy thing going for him, but we're reminded of Mr.Freeze and Black Adams human side more. Although I havent seen Freeze in awhile and BA has been played up lately, so in a few years their might be a different one altogether
 
I was trying to dig it up and I finally found it. This has to be one of my favorite panels in recent memory.

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As for Black Adam, I kind of lost sympathy for him when he went ahead and killed a whole bunch of innocent people.
 
In all seriousness, the most sympathetic villain is Captain Atom aka Monarch.

Sympathetic because his reason for being a villain sucks.

His shell ruptured and now he is crazy to conquer the multiverse. All because his stupid shell ruptured. :csad:
 
As for Black Adam, I kind of lost sympathy for him when he went ahead and killed a whole bunch of innocent people.

And Cyborg Supes organized the destruction of Coast City. :huh: He blew that puppy up.
 
Superboy Prime.

I have to agree. SBP was cast from Krypton, cast from Earth Prime, cast from the New Universe, put into a living hell with grandparents and a emotionless older brother type, and then was thrown into a little green box.
 
As for Black Adam, I kind of lost sympathy for him when he went ahead and killed a whole bunch of innocent people.

He cracked under pressure, depressed over a lost loved one, emotionally damaged and mentally unstable, and he made bad decisions and big mistakes and his own power got to him.

These arnt things you expect from god-like beings, you expect them from humans. And because he literally has the powers of the gods anything he does cant be small
 
And Cyborg Supes organized the destruction of Coast City. :huh: He blew that puppy up.

Yeah, I thought about that, but I can't help but think it's different. Cyborg Superman just wants to die. So he keeps going further and further in his criminal acts, just hoping to be that villain that a hero decides is too dangerous to be kept alive. There's a panel where Henshaw is with his wife's corpse, I think, at the cemetery, and he screams out in pain about how he remembers everything, every little thing, and he just can't take it anymore.

Whereas Black Adam, he lost someone, and just completely loses his s**t and starts killing. Not even directly for revenge, because he kills a whole BUNCH of people who had nothing to do with what happened.

Don't get me wrong, I see why Black Adam is a sympathetic character, and he most certainly is a tragic one, but I just personally couldn't really sympathize with him when I started thinking about how many innocent people, let alone children, he must have killed in his rampage. That was especially shown, I think (And correct me if I'm wrong), when J'onn J'onnz disguises himself as a little girl in the midst of some destroyed country where Black Adam is roaming around, and Adam clearly would have had no problem with killing her.
 
Yeah, I thought about that, but I can't help but think it's different. Cyborg Superman just wants to die. So he keeps going further and further in his criminal acts, just hoping to be that villain that a hero decides is too dangerous to be kept alive. There's a panel where Henshaw is with his wife's corpse, I think, at the cemetery, and he screams out in pain about how he remembers everything, every little thing, and he just can't take it anymore.

Whereas Black Adam, he lost someone, and just completely loses his s**t and starts killing. Not even directly for revenge, because he kills a whole BUNCH of people who had nothing to do with what happened.

Don't get me wrong, I see why Black Adam is a sympathetic character, and he most certainly is a tragic one, but I just personally couldn't really sympathize with him when I started thinking about how many innocent people, let alone children, he must have killed in his rampage. That was especially shown, I think (And correct me if I'm wrong), when J'onn J'onnz disguises himself as a little girl in the midst of some destroyed country where Black Adam is roaming around, and Adam clearly would have had no problem with killing her.

Isee where you coming from with Adam but idont think it makes sense when combined with your view on Henshaw
 
Their methods are basically the same; they kill a whole bunch of people. And I don't for a second fool myself into thinking Henshaw hasn't killed children or anything like that, but I guess what it comes down to is motive. Henshaw is just pleading for that sweet release of death, while Adam was just really, REALLY angry.
 
Their methods are basically the same; they kill a whole bunch of people. And I don't for a second fool myself into thinking Henshaw hasn't killed children or anything like that, but I guess what it comes down to is motive. Henshaw is just pleading for that sweet release of death, while Adam was just really, REALLY angry.

That doesnt seem like any kind ofmotive. I hate myself so ill just destroy a city. Sounds like an excuse, a lame one at that. As for Adam look up like 4 posts where i describe why I think Adams sympathetic.

The way I see it Adam has to live with this for the rest of his life while Henshaw sees it as means to an ends. For me he comes down to remorse, definitely a top human trait
 
Granted, I don't know how a life-span works for BA and Captain Marvel, but Henshaw can't die. He would literally live forever. So for all the things he's done he'll have to live with it forever, while he keeps doing worse and worse things in hopes that the few beings who could actually end his life decide to do just that, which they never will.

You say it comes down to remorse, but I don't remember BA ever showing the slightest hint of remorse or regret for what he did. I may be wrong, of course. Adam had to be taken down kicking and screaming, and I had the impression that to this day he still believes he was justified. Where has he shown remorse?
 
Granted, I don't know how a life-span works for BA and Captain Marvel, but Henshaw can't die. He would literally live forever. So for all the things he's done he'll have to live with it forever, while he keeps doing worse and worse things in hopes that the few beings who could actually end his life decide to do just that, which they never will.

You say it comes down to remorse, but I don't remember BA ever showing the slightest hint of remorse or regret for what he did. I may be wrong, of course. Adam had to be taken down kicking and screaming, and I had the impression that to this day he still believes he was justified. Where has he shown remorse?

To tell you the truth I only flipped through a couple of the 52presents ishes, but he ended up quitting the superpower game and live in solitary at the beginning of countdown i thought. Maybe I interpreted it wrong.

But i still dont see how Henshaw is sympathetic. "I hate myself so I do bad things." I dont get it. The more you talk about him the less I can relate to him. How can one be sympathetic if you cant relate to him?
 
To tell you the truth I only flipped through a couple of the 52presents ishes, but he ended up quitting the superpower game and live in solitary at the beginning of countdown i thought. Maybe I interpreted it wrong.

Actually, Captain Marvel forced him to revert back to human form, and changed his magic word making it impossible for him to become Black Adam. The BA: Dark Age mini focused on his trying to discover his magic word so that he could become Black Adam again, all the while attempting to revive Isis, (Which, I don't know, he should have thought about doing before killing millions?) all the while continuing to kill a lot of people as he was justified to do so in his mind. So as far as I can remember, he has shown absolutely no remorse.

But i still dont see how Henshaw is sympathetic. "I hate myself so I do bad things." I dont get it. The more you talk about him the less I can relate to him. How can one be sympathetic if you cant relate to him?

I think Henshaw's loss is a more tragic one than Adam's. I mean, when he succumbed to the radiation he and his wife were exposed to, his body died and his consciousness could live on in machines. When he revealed that to his wife, she became insane and committed suicide. If that doesn't make somebody hate themselves and want to die, I'm not really sure what would.
 
Actually, Captain Marvel forced him to revert back to human form, and changed his magic word making it impossible for him to become Black Adam. The BA: Dark Age mini focused on his trying to discover his magic word so that he could become Black Adam again, all the while attempting to revive Isis, (Which, I don't know, he should have thought about doing before killing millions?) all the while continuing to kill a lot of people as he was justified to do so in his mind. So as far as I can remember, he has shown absolutely no remorse.

But he got his powers back and Captain Marvel didnt force him to give up his powers to Mary Marvel. That was my focal point ofthat

I think Henshaw's loss is a more tragic one than Adam's. I mean, when he succumbed to the radiation he and his wife were exposed to, his body died and his consciousness could live on in machines. When he revealed that to his wife, she became insane and committed suicide. If that doesn't make somebody hate themselves and want to die, I'm not really sure what would.

That I get.But to do bad things is what takes me out. I find him less justified than BA because Adams judgement seemed clouded in WW3, but Henshaw is purposely doing bad things for his own gain.
 

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