The Dark Knight Did Dent really need saved?

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Thinking about it, Batman saving Dent basically amounted to Dent going on a killing spree and Batman being presented as a murderer with Dent being presented as "the white knight" that brings peace and stability to Gotham.

But, If Batman had just saved Rachel and let Dent get blown up, wouldn't he have still been the "white knight"? Batman wouldn't be seen as a murderer and a hospital wouldn't get blown up.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Thinking about it, Batman saving Dent basically amounted to Dent going on a killing spree and Batman being presented as a murderer with Dent being presented as "the white knight" that brings peace and stability to Gotham.

But, If Batman had just saved Rachel and let Dent get blown up, wouldn't he have still been the "white knight"? Batman wouldn't be seen as a murderer and a hospital wouldn't get blown up.

Batman was trying to save Rachel in the first place, but Joker switched their addresses.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Wait, wut?

 

[CConn]

...how did you not realize that?

Joker gives Rachel's address and Batman tells Gordon he's going there.

Batman only saved Dent because Joker lied about Rachel being the one at that address.

 

[R3M3D1]

 

[The Joker]

Gordon: "Which one are you going after?"
Batman: "Rachel"

Gordon then shouts to his men "We're getting Dent. 250 fifty second street"

Joker knew Batman would go after Rachel because he had feelings for her. That's why he tricked Batman.

 

[lordofthenerds]

 

[Micromind]

Joker knew Batman would go after Rachel because he had feelings for her. That's why he tricked Batman.

How did Joker knew that Batman had some feelings for Rachel, did Joker knew of Batman's true identity ?

 

[lordofthenerds]

How did Joker knew that Batman had some feelings for Rachel, did Joker knew of Batman's true identity ?

The way he threw himself after her.

 

[El Payaso]

How did Joker knew that Batman had some feelings for Rachel, did Joker knew of Batman's true identity ?

Joker saw Batman throwing himself out of a window of the tallest building in Gotham to save Rachel. Later he told Batman that's when he thought he was Dent, because of how much he cared for her.

 

[The Joker]

How did Joker knew that Batman had some feelings for Rachel, did Joker knew of Batman's true identity ?

"You know for a while there I thought you really were Dent. The way you threw yourself after her"

"Does Harvey know about you and his little bunny?"

 

[GothamAlleys]

I thought the whole idea of Joker switching adresses was brilliant. Such a great twist and psychological kick for Batman

 

[Rodrigo90]

Joker lied about the addresses to purposely hurt Batman, but mainly to turn Dent to his cause.

 

[AnneFan]

I thought the whole idea of Joker switching adresses was brilliant. Such a great twist and psychological kick for Batman

Indeed. The Joker was apparently the one getting interrogated, but had the power the whole time - and then escaped. Which is totally awesome.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The Joker knew no matter who Batman would go after, it would be the wrong person.

 

[MrWayne]

Wait or we really talking abut this 4 years later??? People, people, people...
My suggestion? Watch the movie with subtitles.. Makes it easier not to miss those subtle little details. Batman having a Duh! moment when he opened that door and saw Harvey, his heart mustve dropped. Live and learn Batman.. Live. And. Learn.

 

[Brain Damage]

Wait or we really talking abut this 4 years later??? People, people, people...
My suggestion? Watch the movie with subtitles.. Makes it easier not to miss those subtle little details. Batman having a Duh! moment when he opened that door and saw Harvey, his heart mustve dropped. Live and learn Batman.. Live. And. Learn.

The look on his face was pure "oh ****"
Also just the way he froze up.
Brilliant and subtle acting by Bale.

And I second the subtitle thing. That's why I'm ultimately okay with Bane's voice. Because I watch nearly every movie with subtitles at least once or twice just to get all of the dialogue 100% accurate and then on repeated viewings I'll turn them off.

 

[MrWayne]

Me do the same thing. Its amazing the things you miss or thought you heard when subtitles are turned on lol

 

[El Payaso]

A applaud you, MrWayne.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

besides the fact the he was going after Rachel as is been pointed out...

he had no way of foreseeing those events

 

[MrWayne]

Proves what a rookie Batman still was in TDK. Well that and he was still not in tune with Jokers M.O.

By the end of the film I think in many ways he has Joker figured out. He had to learn the hard way though.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

even if he knew Jokers MO better (an could of guessed that he would switch the addresses)

he would still have no way of foreseeing that Dent would go on a killing spare

but either way batman wouldn't just willingly let him die

 

[Lead Cenobite]

All Batman could really do is just go with whatever Joker told him and not waste time second guessing him. You can't do that with someone who is so unpredictable. If he sat there and thought over where he was going to go, then both Dent and Rachel would have died. At the very least, he saved one life, and even though those events turned Dent into a monster, it still counts for something.

 

[Team Andino]

For me I always loved Batman's line "It's not that simple, with the Joker it never is" on the rooftop with Gordon when they're gonna try and save the hostages. To me Batman learned one of the hardest lessons he'll ever learn just 24 hours earlier and that's how outside the box Joker does things to any "normal" hostage situation. It's like he learned first hand how difficult things are with him on the loose.

Which also always made me think that the people on the ferries had the detonators of their own boat. The civilians thinking they would kill the criminals when really they would end of taking their own lives seems like what would of happen to me. Almost like Joker is punishing them for trying to save themselves much like how he switched the addresses with Batman.

 

[El Payaso]

For me I always loved Batman's line "It's not that simple, with the Joker it never is" on the rooftop with Gordon when they're gonna try and save the hostages. To me Batman learned one of the hardest lessons he'll ever learn just 24 hours earlier and that's how outside the box Joker does things to any "normal" hostage situation. It's like he learned first hand how difficult things are with him on the loose.

Which also always made me think that the people on the ferries had the detonators of their own boat. The civilians thinking they would kill the criminals when really they would end of taking their own lives seems like what would of happen to me. Almost like Joker is punishing them for trying to save themselves much like how he switched the addresses with Batman.

While I agree that they would jhave probably ended up killing themselves, I don't think it'd have been joker punishing them for a specific behaviour but simply Joker making one of his usual 'jokes.'