Directors and their AntiSuperhero Movie Views

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Wasnt exactly sure where to post this but it seems like more and more directors are coming out against the superhero genre for some reason.

First we had Steven Spielberg predicting the end of superhero films. Mel Gibson recently bashed big budget superhero films and now we have David Mackienzie, director of Hell or High Water bashing the genre, hoping they disappear. Are they angry that their movies are being overshadowed?
 
They're salty, of course. Spielberg is long past his days of glory. Mel Gibson is like your average grandfather - "real super-heroes are those who fought in a war and gave up their lives, not these spandex-wearing idiots"... David Mackienzie - I don't remember watching a single movie of his. Oops.
 
They're salty, of course. Spielberg is long past his days of glory. Mel Gibson is like your average grandfather - "real super-heroes are those who fought in a war and gave up their lives, not these spandex-wearing idiots"... David Mackienzie - I don't remember watching a single movie of his. Oops.

It could also be that they have legitimate criticisms, and that given their extensive experience and demonstrated aptitude these views might be valid.

Here's Mel Gibson's quote:
I look at them and scratch my head. I'm really baffled by it. I think there's a lot of waste but maybe if I did one of those things with the green screens I'd find out different. I don't know. Maybe they do cost that much. I don't know. It seems to me that you could do it for less. If you're spending outrageous amounts of money, $180 million or more, I don't know how you make it back after the taxman gets you, and after you give half to the exhibitors. ... What did they spend on 'Batman V Superman' that they're admitting to? And it's a piece of ****.

He's making legitimate points that people on this forum have made.
- The costs seem hard to justify;
- BvS is a piece of ****;
 
These are largely old-school film-makers who look at superhero films as Saturday morning cartoon fluff. They probably felt it was inoffensive fun a few years back, but now that the MCU has firmly planted their flag as the dominant media franchise in Hollywood, more and more of them are going to speak out. I wouldn't say it's because they're "salty".
 
Steven Spielberg isn't wrong in his view, he didn't come out as a hater of the genre or the characters.
Mel Gibson is not wrong about the grand cost of these movies.
 
Didn't Spielberg say he loved GotG? And lmao at Mel Gibsons quote."What did they spend on 'Batman V Superman' that they're admitting to? And it's a piece of ****. I was laughing hard at that part.:lmao:
 
and now we have David Mackienzie, director of Hell or High Water bashing the genre, hoping they disappear.
As much as I love the films, I sometimes agree with his view of wanting these movies to stop being made, but not as strongly as he feels about hating superheroes as a whole.

One director with a view I completely disagree with when it comes to superhero movies is David Cronenberg, of thinking these are for adolescents and are stupid. He includes The Dark Knight in that view, and one of his most famous movies has a superhero origin styled portion.
 
Y'know, I was listening to a script doctor talk about this same issue and I remember thinking how odd his comments were, that these types of heroes don't have a core wound or a vulnerability. I think a lot of the evaluation of these films from some old Hollywood types comes from a misunderstanding of what these films are and do. Most people don't go see most films, and actors and filmmakers are no different. From the quote I saw from Mel Gibson, it's possible that Batman v Superman is the only superhero flick he's seen since, I dunno, '89 or '78. It's certainly the only one I've seen. And if all you saw were trailers for Marvel movies and BvS... wouldn't you have a similar opinion about superhero flicks? It's not like everyone is raving about RDJ's performance, or the nuanced story of Civil War after all. Because it's not really that nuanced, and the performances service the vehicle, but they don't really dominate it. Things that movies are beloved for aren't the same things movies used to be beloved for.

So, the more salient criticism I think stems from the reliance of these films on sentimentalized symbolism. I think Spielberg didn't realize that superhero films were going to soon become other types of films, just with people in spandex. And I think that's the rub, that a spy thriller is one thing, but if that spy thriller is Captain America: The Winter Soldier, then all of a sudden, it's gangbusters. That's really really weird for someone who didn't grow up saturated in comic book characters. The addition of Cap and the Bucky twist doesn't make CATWS a dramatically better film, but it makes it a much more appealing film. That connectivity, that banking on pop culture, that's new, that's weird, that's hard for someone whose not in it to really appreciate.

It also isn't strictly speaking a part of the *movie* but much more about how the viewer fills in the edges of the world around the movie. That also can invite critique. I think anyone predicting the end of this trend is barking up the wrong tree, since recycling symoblism is pretty much the uttermost expression of modern western culture, but hey... who knows what might happen in 20 years. Maybe silent films will make a comeback!
 
Let them have their opinions.

I dont feel much of a type a way about them. I think theres a superhero film out there for everyone if youre not close minded. I'd say that about any genre of movie, music, literature, etc.

The only 2 times that it has annoyed me were when Statham and Emma Thompson said something.
 
Oh, it's "that" interview. I thought Spielberg said something new. My bad. Well, he isn't wrong indeed. But he went Captain Obvious. Of course it's not gonna last forever. IMO, following 5-7 years are pretty safe for CBM genre.
 
Spielberg BFG movie not very good and Civil War get lots more attention so maybe things like that make him annoyed.
 
Ironically, I think most of the directors mentioned here would love some of the more obscure comics/characters out there. But they aint got time for that.

Inarritu came hard at the genre. lol
GIlroy too. He directed Nightcrawler.
 
I dont have a problem with any of them talking smack about the cbm genre.
 
I mean not all superhero movies are good, y'know ;) .
 
It could also be that they have legitimate criticisms, and that given their extensive experience and demonstrated aptitude these views might be valid.

Here's Mel Gibson's quote:
I look at them and scratch my head. I'm really baffled by it. I think there's a lot of waste but maybe if I did one of those things with the green screens I'd find out different. I don't know. Maybe they do cost that much. I don't know. It seems to me that you could do it for less. If you're spending outrageous amounts of money, $180 million or more, I don't know how you make it back after the taxman gets you, and after you give half to the exhibitors. ... What did they spend on 'Batman V Superman' that they're admitting to? And it's a piece of ****.

He's making legitimate points that people on this forum have made.
- The costs seem hard to justify;
- BvS is a piece of ****;

I'm pretty much on your side here DA. Guy can criticize whatever he wants. It's his opinion and he's got experience in the field to back up his claims.

Just want to make one point. Why is it an issue that there is a lot of money involved in the making of these films? Take Civil War (which was actually good) and take it's $1.1 billion gross. Between the $250 million budget and the $200 million in marketing, you're looking at easily 4000 jobs centered around creating something (usually something that people are happy doing). And that's not including the movie theaters and the like.

Sure maybe these could be done with smaller budgets, but what would that prove anyway?
 
Could some superhero movies be done with less money? Sure.

Doesn't mean they all could be, nor that they all should be. Superhero movies didn't invent big budget action, anyway. Hell, according to wikipedia, there's only 1 superhero movie in the top 5 most expensive budgeted films, only 7 in the top twenty.

I get that some people are upset that medium budget flicks seem to have disappeared, and that is unfortunate, but getting rid of superhero movies wouldn't change that. That's a problem with Hollywood in general.
 
Deadpool was done with less money and was fantastic.
 
^What this gentleman said.
Colossus didn't look more CGI to me than CGI'd Spider-Man did with a bigger budget.
 
The budget should depend on the audience. The Avengers or Batman? By all means, spend away. Unless the movies are horrible, those are practically guaranteed to do a billion dollars.

An unknown/untested hero such as Dr. Strange or ones that have shown to have a smaller fanbase like X-Men, those are where spending should be kept under control.
 
The budget should depend on the audience. The Avengers or Batman? By all means, spend away. Unless the movies are horrible, those are practically guaranteed to do a billion dollars.

An unknown/untested hero such as Dr. Strange or ones that have shown to have a smaller fanbase like X-Men, those are where spending should be kept under control.

i dont necessary think the character should dictate a budget. I feel like a batman movie should be cheaper than a dr. strange movie. one doesnt require cgi and the other does since it involves magic.

Mel spent 72mil on Braveheart back in 1995, adjust it for inflation that is prolly a fairly big budget
 
and now we have David Mackienzie, director of Hell or High Water bashing the genre, hoping they disappear.
I feel him. There's nothing as frustrating as seeing people enjoying completely innocuous fluff that you personally dislike. How dare they.
 
I feel him. There's nothing as frustrating as seeing people enjoying completely innocuous fluff that you personally dislike. How dare they.

seems like hes just a bit jealous that his movie is being overlooked because everyone is talking about suicide squad or some random horror movie.
 

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