Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[hippie_hunter]

Global warming is getting worse by the day. Scientist have even found grass growing in antartica, a place with sparce vegetation. As far as myself Ive realized that temperature has been rising gradually each year. There are heat waves in plenty of areas across the globe and in florida(where Im at) theres a hurricane warning practically every week

People also seems to forget that global warming is a global effect. Not only will there be terrible floods and hurricanes off the coast, but there will also be an enormous increase in temp,tornadoes, crops will die, disease vectors will flourish,ect.

Now political leaders are trying to close their eyes and pretend this isn't real. They are disclaiming global warming although scientist are still talking about it. What pisses me off is that they dont even do global warming awareness programs or anything. The majority focus on oil and war and arent smart enough to notice that it doesnt matter cause global warming will screw us all up pretty soon if we dont do anything. Thank God for the hybrid cars, hopefully that can help but by the time they are in mass production and practically everyone gets one it might be too late.

Yes global warming is a threat and yes humans are indeed a reason for it. But people also tend to ignore the fact that global warming is also a natural process. The threat of global warming, while it does exist, is waaaaaay overrated.

 

[bored]

Global warming is a fraud. It's just another fear campaign. Anybody ever remember the mammoths having oil refineries when the ice age hit? Nope!

They're basing global warming off of only 200 years worth of weather recording.

Are you serious?

 

[Tangled Web]

Global warming is a fraud. It's just another fear campaign. Anybody ever remember the mammoths having oil refineries when the ice age hit? Nope!

They're basing global warming off of only 200 years worth of weather recording.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[Sentinel X]

The point is that if both planets are warming up, than man cannot be the main cause for the warming on earth, because he doesn't do much on Mars.

1.Although it isnt certain most scientist hypothesis that if there was a change in Earths temp humans would outweigh the cause over a flaw in the milankovich cycle(sp).

2. That being said, because both planets are warming up doesnt mean we dont have to take action and try to help the environment. What if it isnt only orbital patterns and we find this out a little too late...It wouldnt hurt to try to stop it.

Yes global warming is a threat and yes humans are indeed a reason for it. But people also tend to ignore the fact that global warming is also a natural process. The threat of global warming, while it does exist, is waaaaaay overrated.

An ice age is a natrual process, and its inevitable. Global Process occurs natrually but it can happen unnatrually too, say the greenhouse effect, Im pretty sure thats not natrual

 

[redmarvel]

Let's pretend for just a moment that Global Warming is not happening...

We still have a MAJOR problem with pollution that we need to do something about. In Toronto, every year, we have more and more "smog advisory" days (try not to go outside, try not to use gas powered equipment, try not to use BBQ's, if you must go outside do not do anything "strenuous", etc.) Worse yet the "smog cloud" is getting bigger. In the 80's you could drive an hour out of Toronto and be free of it. In the 90's you had to go 2 hours. Now even 3 hours away you are not free of the smog cloud (though it is not as big). These smog clouds are over every major metropolis in North America. How can we get rid of them?

1. Hybrid vehicles (which are being over-priced by the car companies, they don't want to sell them - there's an independent movie out there on the subject)
2. Photovalic Cells & Wind Generators (the governments should help people install both on their homes & businesses, give us a tax rebate if we do it)
3. Green space (the governments should insist that a certain amount of land in every building development be allotted to trees, grass and plants. If the developers want to they can even put the green space on TOP of the buildings.)

And if the Smog and amount of Tar Top are contributing to global warming... guess what, you'll have started to solve that problem too.

It won't solve the additional problems about the amount of mercury appearing in fish, nor the number of polluted lakes out there. However, if the water sewage system were to install charcoal filters in their "dumping" systems, guess what, some of that would start to go away to. Why don't they? Because it's not "cost effective", and there is no profit to be made in cleaning it up before it goes into the lakes/rivers/oceans. It's cheaper and easier for them to clean it up when they pull it out (but of course that means the fish and crustaceans and waterfowl all get contaminated).

 

[sinewave]

people may try and dispute the seriousness of global warming, but there's no disputing the fact that excessive carbon dioxide is exacerbating the greenhouse effect which is increasing the temperature here on earth. fossil fuels pay a huge part in that.

 

[War Lord]

Well, Mars does use the same sun we do. You know the sun that is absorbing all of our man made chemicals and pollution.

Yeah, I know the sun.

The one that is causing global warming.

 

[War Lord]

So, based on history, we should've had one over two-thousand years ago (this doesn't take into account the relatively recent 'mini ice age'). How does that support your basically implying that another one would be good?

I never said another ice age would be good, but if we're over due for one, slowing it down through global warming is a good thing for humans, because moving from all those northern climes is just so inconvenient.

 

[War Lord]

Global warming is a fraud. It's just another fear campaign. Anybody ever remember the mammoths having oil refineries when the ice age hit? Nope!

They're basing global warming off of only 200 years worth of weather recording.

I remember 20 years ago when they produced all these films of how we were killing our planet through garbage and chemicals.

We're still here and we'll deal with global warming.

 

[War Lord]

Global Warming is a problem that the world is talking about,except the United States.The USA would have to cut its consomption and emitions by half,dont expect that to happen.

But when the ocean levels rise,the American seaboard will rise,millions will drown and the USA will become a smaller,weaker country.

Well isn't that what all the lefties want, a smaller weaker US?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Well, Mars does use the same sun we do. You know the sun that is absorbing all of our man made chemicals and pollution.

Wo Wo Wo....the sun is absorbing our pollution?
That is some potent-ass pollution!

 

[War Lord]

1.Although it isnt certain most scientist hypothesis that if there was a change in Earths temp humans would outweigh the cause over a flaw in the milankovich cycle(sp).

2. That being said, because both planets are warming up doesnt mean we dont have to take action and try to help the environment. What if it isnt only orbital patterns and we find this out a little too late...It wouldnt hurt to try to stop it.

3. An ice age is a natrual process, and its inevitable. Global Process occurs natrually but it can happen unnatrually too, say the greenhouse effect, Im pretty sure thats not natrual

1. A hypothesis is not a scientific fact.

2. We don't know if what we do will actually help the planet or hurt it. It would be better to get more data before doing some half-assed effort that has unintended consequences.

3. You're pretty sure, but sureness is not a fact.

 

[War Lord]

people may try and dispute the seriousness of global warming, but there's no disputing the fact that excessive carbon dioxide is exacerbating the greenhouse effect which is increasing the temperature here on earth. fossil fuels pay a huge part in that.

I dispute it and so does many scientists.

http://www.climateark.org/articles/2001/3rd/scdipopu.htm

 

[HUMAN]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Great debate!

 

[Sentinel X]

1. A hypothesis is not a scientific fact.

2. We don't know if what we do will actually help the planet or hurt it. It would be better to get more data before doing some half-assed effort that has unintended consequences.

3. You're pretty sure, but sureness is not a fact.

1.Okay, so same can be said for the flaw in orbital patterns.Of course some scientist will debunk Global Warming, only because some of the government try not to strike fear but if most scientist are proclaiming that global warming will happen due to the greenhouse effect then it would benifit people to start thinking about the topic

2.Um no, using less fossil fuel or whatever causes a by-product of CO2,methane, and other harmful gases WILL help the environment. Its not a half-assed effort for people to use less of these deadly gases These gases are depleting the atmosphere, the ozone layer has a huge hole in it, things like these will make it easier for meteors to enter Earth, which arises a whole new problem

3.Okay, when i said that there are two sides to it. The greenhouse effect can be natrual sometimes but at theres also an advanced greenhouse effect caused by humans. At the rate of change in our environment the greenhouse effect occuring now is all but natrual

I dispute it and so does many scientists.

http://www.climateark.org/articles/2...d/scdipopu.htm

False...The article title itself debunks that

 

[sinewave]

I dispute it and so does many scientists.

http://www.climateark.org/articles/2001/3rd/scdipopu.htm

so, two scientists, from that bastion of critical thinking known as kansas, pull more weight than the rest of the entire scientific community? it seems like you just seek out info that backs your opinions, rather than actually looking for the truth.

just this statement alone: "Our climate changes all the time and in both directions," Gerhard said. "A thousand years ago, we were a lot warmer.", contradicts the study released just weeks ago by the scientific community that the earth is warmer now than it's been in 2000 years.

this is all that you need to know about these bozos: "The book was published by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, based in Tulsa, Okla."

 

[Hobgoblin]

The politicians dont care because the public (by and large) doesnt care. If the people made global warming a priority, then thier leaders would have to listen. Unfortunately, the general public is too lazy and ignorant to recycle, use fuel effecient cars, etc.

 

[War Lord]

so, two scientists, from that bastion of critical thinking known as kansas, pull more weight than the rest of the entire scientific community? it seems like you just seek out info that backs your opinions, rather than actually looking for the truth.

just this statement alone: "Our climate changes all the time and in both directions," Gerhard said. "A thousand years ago, we were a lot warmer.", contradicts the study released just weeks ago by the scientific community that the earth is warmer now than it's been in 2000 years.

this is all that you need to know about these bozos: "The book was published by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, based in Tulsa, Okla."

It's more scientists than that. From polls I've read, about 20% of scientists disagree with the global warming mindset.

 

[Mr.Census]

I like how you guys talk about science as if you know everything there is to know about our world, or universe.

For example did you know there is technology RIGHT NOW, on this earth that would allow humans an access to infinite amounts of free energy, to travel among the stars, to end global warming, but it is being kept back by governments who have invested in other technologies...

 

[sinewave]

It's more scientists than that. From polls I've read, about 20% of scientists disagree with the global warming mindset.

Based on that article, I'd say your judgment is lacking. I'm sure it's much fewer than 20% and even if it isn't I bet if you scrutinized those scientists who disagree with the rest of the scientific community you'd find they have significant ties to the oil industry as well.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

2.Um no, using less fossil fuel or whatever causes a by-product of CO2,methane, and other harmful gases WILL help the environment. Its not a half-assed effort for people to use less of these deadly gases These gases are depleting the atmosphere, the ozone layer has a huge hole in it, things like these will make it easier for meteors to enter Earth, which arises a whole new problem

So the ozone layer also works as a "Star Wars" for meteors?!?! If we can get space shuttles to exit and enter the earth's atomsphere I have a hard time believing a meteor will bounce off the atomsphere because of the ozone layer.

 

[bored]

Well isn't that what all the lefties want, a smaller weaker US?

Jonty, just stop. You never seem to have a grasp on ANY subject you thrust yourself into, and you always eventually break it down into some assumption about liberals that contributes nothing at all to the discussion. It may be easier on you if this just turns into a flame war, but that doesn't mean everyone else wants it dumbed down.

 

[bored]

So the ozone layer also works as a "Star Wars" for meteors?!?! If we can get space shuttles to exit and enter the earth's atomsphere I have a hard time believing a meteor will bounce off the atomsphere because of the ozone layer.

Earth's atmosphere causes most meteors to burn away into almost nothing due to friction. Nothing about 'bouncing off'.

 

[Tangled Web]

Yeah, I know the sun.

The one that is causing global warming.

No, not the sun, the pollution that we make that goes into the sun.

 

[War Lord]

No, not the sun, the pollution that we make that goes into the sun.

Uh, the sun is about 93 million miles in the middle of space. There is no real connection between the earth and sun. Any pollution that might have left earth gets dissipated into space.