Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[Mr Sparkle]

nanny state has never referred to emergency services such as police, fire, and paramedics. it has referred to things such as a city banning foie gras or banning smoking in private businesses, etc. as for getting a bill for services, you'd be surprised but the Tampa city council (or perhaps it was the county commission) was trying to do just that.

good, glad that's cleared up.
it means that it didn't apply to the argument I was making.
like I previously thought.

 

[Zoken]

i was not saying it should be repealed, only that there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to vote.

Just ask President Ford.

 

[Steve Rogers]

The legislation that would give the government power to determine how much of a given item a person could have would make them powerful enough to basically charge you whatever they wanted.

Uh huh. And? Why do you keep bringing this up though?

 

[Zoken]

Uh huh. And? Why do you keep bringing this up though?

Because you have stated on several occassions that people don't need as much as some people take. and those people who take too much should have their taken away and given to those who don't get enough.

Well the only way to enforce that is to legislate it. And you've just told me that you wouldn't trust the government with that power. That's why I keep bringing it up.

 

[Mysterio]

i don't think he knows what he wants.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Because you have stated on several occassions that people don't need as much as some people take. and those people who take too much should have their taken away and given to those who don't get enough.

Well the only way to enforce that is to legislate it. And you've just told me that you wouldn't trust the government with that power. That's why I keep bringing it up.

Things in bold I have said. Things in italics I have never said.

 

[Zoken]

You have stated that you wouldn't trust the government with that power, go back one page and you'll see it.

You have stated that you have the right amount of stuff. That those who have more than you think they need have too much stuff. You have said that their excess stuff would be put to better use given to other people. So where did I lie?

 

[Steve Rogers]

So where did I lie?

You lied when you said that I said the government should take people's property and give it away.

 

[Zoken]

You lied when you said that I said the government should take people's property and give it away.

You have stated the opinion that it would be best if excess was taken away from "Greedy Wealthy Pigs"

 

[Steve Rogers]

You have stated the opinion that it would be best if excess was taken away from "Greedy Wealthy Pigs"

Taken away? No. Given away by people with kind hearts? Yes. I'd much rather live in a world where people who have more decide to give to those who have none than in a world where the government has to sieze the property of those who have more and then have it redistributed.

But I never once in this thread, or ever in my life, supported the notion that the government should confiscate anything for anyone.

 

[Zoken]

So what about the world you ACTUALLY live in? People aren't going to give up their money. Do you support their right to keep it or do you believe it should be given to the poor?

 

[Steve Rogers]

So what about the world you ACTUALLY live in? People aren't going to give up their money. Do you support their right to keep it or do you believe it should be given to the poor?

Again, I don't believe that anyone's anything should be given by anyone to anyone else. That is why I support human population control. If there were fewer people alive, then there would be more wealth to go around wnad people and governments wouldn't have to redistribute anything. Everyone has a right to whatever they want. But, in a world where 6 billion people are fighting over enough resources and wealth intended for a lot less, not everyone can have what they want. We can either a.) willingly take less so that some unfortunate people can have a chance at aquiring comething b.) resort to socialism or communism or c.) have a world with fewer people on it. That is why I supported the tax. Maybe people would have fewer children if it costs them money. But the way I see it, and maybe it is behind rose colored glasses, if more people supported a and c (fewer children and taking only what you need) practices like b (socialism and communism) would become obsolete. If I supported it, I wouldn't want to see it obsolete.

In the end, I live modest, due in large part to my spirituality (and income also) and I have no problem forsaking excess. Is my view for everyone? Of course not, which is what I was talking about last week or whenever it was. People like me exist in the world, therefore people who need to consume everything they want can also exist. Sadly, the ratio is anything but proportionate.

 

[Mysterio]

So what about the world you ACTUALLY live in? People aren't going to give up their money. Do you support their right to keep it or do you believe it should be given to the poor?

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[Mysterio]

Again, I don't believe that anyone's anything should be given by anyone to anyone else. That is why I support human population control. If there were fewer people alive, then there would be more wealth to go around wnad people and governments wouldn't have to redistribute anything.

they don't have to redistribute it now. what's this "have to" crap? property rights are not dependent on population. those rights that you purportedly favor should hold true whether the population is 10 or 10,000,000,000.

 

[Zoken]

Again, I don't believe that anyone's anything should be given by anyone to anyone else. That is why I support human population control. If there were fewer people alive, then there would be more wealth to go around wnad people and governments wouldn't have to redistribute anything. Everyone has a right to whatever they want. But, in a world where 6 billion people are fighting over enough resources and wealth intended for a lot less, not everyone can have what they want. We can either a.) willingly take less so that some unfortunate people can have a chance at aquiring comething b.) resort to socialism or communism or c.) have a world with fewer people on it. That is why I supported the tax. Maybe people would have fewer children if it costs them money. But the way I see it, and maybe it is behind rose colored glasses, if more people supported a and c (fewer children and taking only what you need) practices like b (socialism and communism) would become obsolete. If I supported it, I wouldn't want to see it obsolete.

In the end, I live modest, due in large part to my spirituality (and income also) and I have no problem forsaking excess. Is my view for everyone? Of course not, which is what I was talking about last week or whenever it was. People like me exist in the world, therefore people who need to consume everything they want can also exist. Sadly, the ratio is anything but proportionate.

"Population control" would do nothing about wealth. do you even understand what an "inheritance" is? The money will stay where it already is. If anything, it will make things worse by lowering the population of the working class over the generations. You see, it's usually blue-collar working class folks who have large families. And, odd thing. Blue-collar, working-class folks are also usually christian. Athiesm and agnosticism is most popular among upper-middle class white adolescent to 20's.

 

[Steve Rogers]

"Population control" would do nothing about wealth. do you even understand what an "inheritance" is? The money will stay where it already is. If anything, it will make things worse by lowering the population of the working class over the generations. You see, it's usually blue-collar working class folks who have large families. And, odd thing. Blue-collar, working-class folks are also usually christian. Athiesm and agnosticism is most popular among upper-middle class white adolescent to 20's.

I'm not talking about inherited wealth as in money. I'm talking about the resources and capital on the planet. Everyone would have more if there were 3 billion people instead of 6 billion people.

 

[Zoken]

I'm not talking about inherited wealth as in money. I'm talking about the resources and capital on the planet. Everyone would have more if there were 3 billion people instead of 6 billion people.

Capital? There will be more upper case letters? I think you mean "Capitol" which, funnily enough, means money.

And as far as resources? Unless we find another economic system that works better than capitalism, it will still go to the ones with the money.

 

[Mysterio]

"Population control" would do nothing about wealth. do you even understand what an "inheritance" is? The money will stay where it already is. If anything, it will make things worse by lowering the population of the working class over the generations. You see, it's usually blue-collar working class folks who have large families. And, odd thing. Blue-collar, working-class folks are also usually christian. Athiesm and agnosticism is most popular among upper-middle class white adolescent to 20's.

don't fall for the "working class" line. that's a class warfare tactic to suggest that those at the top or in white collar jobs didn't earn their success. everyone works, especially white collar. not one of them got ahead working a 40-hr work week.

 

[Mysterio]

I'm not talking about inherited wealth as in money. I'm talking about the resources and capital on the planet. Everyone would have more if there were 3 billion people instead of 6 billion people.

that isn't true. you do know we were once at the 3 billion mark in the not so distant past, right?

 

[Steve Rogers]

Capital? There will be more upper case letters? I think you mean "Capitol" which, funnily enough, means money.

Why must you nitpick?

cap·i·tal1 [kap-i-tl] Pronunciation Key
–noun
1. the city or town that is the official seat of government in a country, state, etc.: Tokyo is the capital of Japan.
2. a city regarded as being of special eminence in some field of activity: New York is the dance capital of the world.
3. capital letter.
4. the wealth, whether in money or property, owned or employed in business by an individual, firm, corporation, etc.
5. an accumulated stock of such wealth.
6. any form of wealth employed or capable of being employed in the production of more wealth.
7. Accounting.
a. assets remaining after deduction of liabilities; the net worth of a business.
b. the ownership interest in a business.
8. any source of profit, advantage, power, etc.; asset: His indefatigable drive is his greatest capital.
9. capitalists as a group or class (distinguished from labor): High taxation has reduced the spending power of capital.
–adjective
10. pertaining to financial capital: capital stock.
11. principal; highly important: This guide offers suggestions of capital interest to travelers.
12. chief, esp. as being the official seat of government of a country, state, etc.: the capital city of France.
13. excellent or first-rate: a capital hotel; a capital fellow.
14. capital letter.
15. involving the loss of life: capital punishment.
16. punishable by death: a capital crime; a capital offender.
17. fatal; extremely serious: a capital error.

 

[Zoken]

Why must you nitpick?

I apologize for my incorrect spelling correction, but the fact remains that Capital means "Money".

 

[SuBe]

I'm not talking about inherited wealth as in money. I'm talking about the resources and capital on the planet. Everyone would have more if there were 3 billion people instead of 6 billion people.

You are thinking in terms that wealth is Finite. It is not. Wealth grows if you work at it.

 

[sinewave]

"Population control" would do nothing about wealth. do you even understand what an "inheritance" is? The money will stay where it already is. If anything, it will make things worse by lowering the population of the working class over the generations. You see, it's usually blue-collar working class folks who have large families. And, odd thing. Blue-collar, working-class folks are also usually christian. Athiesm and agnosticism is most popular among upper-middle class white adolescent to 20's.

that's interesting. where did you find that fact?

Capital? There will be more upper case letters? I think you mean "Capitol" which, funnily enough, means money.

And as far as resources? Unless we find another economic system that works better than capitalism, it will still go to the ones with the money.

no, actually, it's spelled capital. from merriam-websters:

Main Entry:
3capital
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French or Italian; French, from Italian capitale, from capitale, adjective, chief, principal, from Latin capitalis
Date:
circa 1639

1 a (1): a stock of accumulated goods especially at a specified time and in contrast to income received during a specified period; also : the value of these accumulated goods (2): accumulated goods devoted to the production of other goods (3): accumulated possessions calculated to bring in income b (1): net worth (2): stock 7c(1) c: persons holding capital d: advantage, gain <make capital of the situation> e: a store of useful assets or advantages <wasted their political capital on an unpopular cause> <wrote from the capital of his emotionally desolate boyhood — E. L. Doctorow>

 

[Zoken]

that's interesting. where did you find that fact?



no, actually, it's spelled capital. from merriam-websters:

Common observation. I've never known an atheist or agnostic above the age of 22.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I apologize for my incorrect spelling correction, but the fact remains that Capital means "Money".

Yeah...you said capital was incorrect and that capitol meant money when it actually refers to a building that houses government offices.

We're arguing about nothing here. Let's stop it. Neither of us support government siezre of wealth. We are arguing about agreeing on the same thing. Realize that? We are arguing a point we agree with. This is pointless. Say what you want from here on out, but I'm through with this.