Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[Asteroid-Man]

Wtf is Global Morning?



[BLACKOUT]If you're an idiot, I was kidding[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

new orleans is going to go away again.

New York as well,people refused to belive this..but proof is now happening infront of their eyes. They can't pretend this isn't a problem anymore.

 

[SuperFerret]

How fast is the water rising?

 

[Alex The Great]

How fast is the water rising?

A BAJILLION GALLONS AN HOUR

 

[SuperFerret]

 

[SuBe]

Global Warming is coming to EAT YOU!

 

[bullets]

global warming...............a reason to learn how to surf

 

[William_C]

I'm going back to Tucson

 

[Memphis Slim]

Brrrr... The Disappearing Arctic Ice Is Back And It's Thick



Is it safe to say we've been scammed yet?
A record cold January has helped winter sea ice grow across the Arctic.


Temperatures in January set cold weather records and caused the Arctic Sea Ice to expand to its previous levels.
The Financial Post reported:
The Cryosphere reported that the Arctic sea ice is back... and it's thick.

The disappearing sea ice that was supposedly going to dramatically change the North, if not the world, is back. Thanks to really cold weather -- gee, where did that come from?--winter sea ice has been growing across the North. "Clearly we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," says Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

There goes a good story. And if you doubt me on this, the source is as biased on climate change as sources get: The CBC. And if the weather stays cold, the ice will get even thicker, says the report...

This isn't the only sign of rising sea ice and extra-cold temperatures. The U.S. National Climatic Date Center reported the other day that temperatures in the United States set cold records in January. "The average temperature in January 2008 was 30.5 F. This is -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 49th coolest January in 114 years."

...As for ice, A University of Illinois report showed that Arctic sea ice is back to its previous level.​

The American Thinker reported that not only is the ice growing, but it is growing thick.

Previously:
Brrrr... Antarctica Records Record High Ice Cap Growth
Brrrr... South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years
Brrrr... Iraqis See First Snow in 100 Years As Sign of Peace
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in a Decade in China Cause Rioting
Brrrr... Jerusalem Grinds to a Halt As Rare Snowstorm Blasts City
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in 50 Years Continue to Cripple China
Brrrr... China Suffers Coldest Winter in 100 Years
Brrrr... Pakistan Suffers Lowest Temps in 70 Years-- 260 Dead
Brrrr... Record Cold Hits Central Asia-- 654 Dead in Afghanistan
Brrrr... Severe Weather Kills Dozens in Kashmir
Brrrr... Tajikistan Crisis!! Coldest Winter in 25 Years!
Brrrr... Record Cold Wave Blasts Mumbai, India
Brrrr... Snow and Ice in San Diego?
Brrrr... Wisconsin Snowfall Record Shattered

"NO!!! HEAT UP!!!" I'LL BE A LAUGHING STOCK!"

 

[Memphis Slim]

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the earth's environment takes care of itself. That things run in cycles.......??

 

[Tron5000]

Yes, it IS safe to say we've been scammed.

 

[Tempest19]

Global warming is not warming per se, it's random changes in weather. Abnormal weather not an actual 'heating.' That's what I found out in an apocalypse documentary that briefly talked about the subject. And I can definitely say we've had abnormal weather lately, or at least around Long Island. Unless the weather here has always been this random.

 

[Tron5000]

 

[Memphis Slim]

Global warming is not warming per se, it's random changes in weather. Abnormal weather not an actual 'heating.' That's what I found out in an apocalypse documentary that briefly talked about the subject. And I can definitely say we've had abnormal weather lately, or at least around Long Island. Unless the weather here has always been this random.

Please! Please! Stop changing the game and the verbage. They went from Global Warming to "Climate Change" to hedge their bets. We've always had abnormal weather from time to time. When stuff like that happens, you always hear the "I've never seen this happen before" card. But if they pulled out some records, they'd find that it happened 5 or 10 years ago. No biggie....

Yea...climate changes all the time!
It's the way things are.

 

[Memphis Slim]

EXCELLENT!

 

[Tempest19]

So it's natural for within the matter of only TWENTY minutes for the weather to go:

Rain, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Rain, Fog, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Snow Storm, Rain, Nothing.

?

 

[SuBe]

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Michael Asher (Blog) - February 26, 2008 12:55 PM


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World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

 

[SuBe]

So it's natural for within the matter of only TWENTY minutes for the weather to go:

Rain, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Rain, Fog, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Snow Storm, Rain, Nothing.

?

Yes

 

[Memphis Slim]

So it's natural for within the matter of only TWENTY minutes for the weather to go:

Rain, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Rain, Fog, Snow Storm, Beautiful, Snow Storm, Rain, Nothing.

?

Yes...I am, kind sir. Mother earth has been known to do some weird things at times. I've seen hard rain when it's sunny outside. Tornadoes in the winter.

 

[Carcharodon]

Brrrr... The Disappearing Arctic Ice Is Back And It's Thick



Is it safe to say we've been scammed yet?
A record cold January has helped winter sea ice grow across the Arctic.


Temperatures in January set cold weather records and caused the Arctic Sea Ice to expand to its previous levels.
The Financial Post reported:
The Cryosphere reported that the Arctic sea ice is back... and it's thick.

The disappearing sea ice that was supposedly going to dramatically change the North, if not the world, is back. Thanks to really cold weather -- gee, where did that come from?--winter sea ice has been growing across the North. "Clearly we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," says Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

There goes a good story. And if you doubt me on this, the source is as biased on climate change as sources get: The CBC. And if the weather stays cold, the ice will get even thicker, says the report...

This isn't the only sign of rising sea ice and extra-cold temperatures. The U.S. National Climatic Date Center reported the other day that temperatures in the United States set cold records in January. "The average temperature in January 2008 was 30.5 F. This is -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 49th coolest January in 114 years."

...As for ice, A University of Illinois report showed that Arctic sea ice is back to its previous level.​

The American Thinker reported that not only is the ice growing, but it is growing thick.

Previously:
Brrrr... Antarctica Records Record High Ice Cap Growth
Brrrr... South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years
Brrrr... Iraqis See First Snow in 100 Years As Sign of Peace
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in a Decade in China Cause Rioting
Brrrr... Jerusalem Grinds to a Halt As Rare Snowstorm Blasts City
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in 50 Years Continue to Cripple China
Brrrr... China Suffers Coldest Winter in 100 Years
Brrrr... Pakistan Suffers Lowest Temps in 70 Years-- 260 Dead
Brrrr... Record Cold Hits Central Asia-- 654 Dead in Afghanistan
Brrrr... Severe Weather Kills Dozens in Kashmir
Brrrr... Tajikistan Crisis!! Coldest Winter in 25 Years!
Brrrr... Record Cold Wave Blasts Mumbai, India
Brrrr... Snow and Ice in San Diego?
Brrrr... Wisconsin Snowfall Record Shattered

"NO!!! HEAT UP!!!" I'LL BE A LAUGHING STOCK!"

From your first link: "But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007."

Link 2: Only observed from 1979 to the present. Yeah, great sample there.

Links 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14: Patterns that are far from normal and are predicted by current models pertaining to Global Warming. Nice try, Slim.

Link 15: You still have yet to understand that specific instances of weather (again, weather and climate are two different things, Slim) don't prove or disprove global warming.



Jesus dude, take a science course. You need to get it out of your head that specific instances of weather can disprove global warming. Hell, a huge portion of your links do more to HURT your argument than help it.

The sooner you understand that you know nothing of the predicted effects of global warming, and the sooner you realize you have no place in a scientific debate, the better for us all.

There are high schoolers with a better grasp on this stuff than you. It's really quite amazing.

 

[Carcharodon]

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Michael Asher (Blog) - February 26, 2008 12:55 PM


javascript:print();javascript:ShowObject('ctl00_MainContent_EmailArticle');javascript:ShowObject('ctl00_MainContent_EmailArticle');http://del.icio.us/postshowOdiogoReadNowButton ('42049', 'Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling', '10866', 290, 55);javascript:showOdiogoReadNowFrame (...widescale global cooling', '10866', 290, 55);http://digg.com/submithttp://www.dailytech.com/Temperatur...wide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm#comments


showInitialOdiogoReadNowFrame ('42049', '10866', 290, 0);

World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

Now THIS is interesting. You consistently support your argument with things that at least make a little sense. Unlike certain others....

I'll be very interested to see if anything further comes from this report.

 

[Immortalfire]

From your first link: "But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007."

Link 2: Only observed from 1979 to the present. Yeah, great sample there.

Links 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14: Patterns that are far from normal and are predicted by current models pertaining to Global Warming. Nice try, Slim.

Link 15: You still have yet to understand that specific instances of weather (again, weather and climate are two different things, Slim) don't prove or disprove global warming.



Jesus dude, take a science course. You need to get it out of your head that specific instances of weather can disprove global warming. Hell, a huge portion of your links do more to HURT your argument than help it.

The sooner you understand that you know nothing of the predicted effects of global warming, and the sooner you realize you have no place in a scientific debate, the better for us all.

There are high schoolers with a better grasp on this stuff than you. It's really quite amazing.

Slim won't listen. Go ahead and eat him, Mr. Shark

 

[Memphis Slim]

From your first link: "But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007."

Link 2: Only observed from 1979 to the present. Yeah, great sample there.

Links 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14: Patterns that are far from normal and are predicted by current models pertaining to Global Warming. Nice try, Slim.

Link 15: You still have yet to understand that specific instances of weather (again, weather and climate are two different things, Slim) don't prove or disprove global warming.



Jesus dude, take a science course. You need to get it out of your head that specific instances of weather can disprove global warming. Hell, a huge portion of your links do more to HURT your argument than help it.

The sooner you understand that you know nothing of the predicted effects of global warming, and the sooner you realize you have no place in a scientific debate, the better for us all.

There are high schoolers with a better grasp on this stuff than you. It's really quite amazing.

You have nothing. And you know it. You break out the footgae of the poor polar bears....and now that same ice is back....stronger than before. Things are cyclical. They always are. These links don't hurt my argument. They hurt yours.

 

[Memphis Slim]

This thing is like a cult.

 

[Carcharodon]

You have nothing. And you know it. You break out the footgae of the poor polar bears....and now that same ice is back....stronger than before. Things are cyclical. They always are. These links don't hurt my argument. They hurt yours.

Wait, wait, wait...I just show that every single one of your links did nothing to support your argument ("stronger than before," what, Slim? That very same article basically said, "But that doesn't mean anything, really."), and you come back with this?

Weak, dude. I should have expected it.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, genius: that article was referring to ANTARCTIC ice. Polar bears live in the Arctic. Could you please try to fail a little less?