Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[Captain_BluTac]

It's called CLIMATE CHANGE PEOPLE

Seriously people... try reading up on something before starting dumbass threads... every month there is a "Is Global Warming Real???" thread... if anyone was educated in the modern day you should know Global Warming is a misnomer anyway.

Everyone here bar the religious fanatic idiot who started this thread is aware that climate change is real.

 

[Arc-Light]

Brrrr... The Disappearing Arctic Ice Is Back And It's Thick



Is it safe to say we've been scammed yet?
A record cold January has helped winter sea ice grow across the Arctic.


Temperatures in January set cold weather records and caused the Arctic Sea Ice to expand to its previous levels.
The Financial Post reported:
The Cryosphere reported that the Arctic sea ice is back... and it's thick.

The disappearing sea ice that was supposedly going to dramatically change the North, if not the world, is back. Thanks to really cold weather -- gee, where did that come from?--winter sea ice has been growing across the North. "Clearly we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," says Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.​

There goes a good story. And if you doubt me on this, the source is as biased on climate change as sources get: The CBC. And if the weather stays cold, the ice will get even thicker, says the report...​

This isn't the only sign of rising sea ice and extra-cold temperatures. The U.S. National Climatic Date Center reported the other day that temperatures in the United States set cold records in January. "The average temperature in January 2008 was 30.5 F. This is -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 49th coolest January in 114 years."​

...As for ice, A University of Illinois report showed that Arctic sea ice is back to its previous level.​

The American Thinker reported that not only is the ice growing, but it is growing thick.

Previously:
Brrrr... Antarctica Records Record High Ice Cap Growth
Brrrr... South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years
Brrrr... Iraqis See First Snow in 100 Years As Sign of Peace
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in a Decade in China Cause Rioting
Brrrr... Jerusalem Grinds to a Halt As Rare Snowstorm Blasts City
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in 50 Years Continue to Cripple China
Brrrr... China Suffers Coldest Winter in 100 Years
Brrrr... Pakistan Suffers Lowest Temps in 70 Years-- 260 Dead
Brrrr... Record Cold Hits Central Asia-- 654 Dead in Afghanistan
Brrrr... Severe Weather Kills Dozens in Kashmir
Brrrr... Tajikistan Crisis!! Coldest Winter in 25 Years!
Brrrr... Record Cold Wave Blasts Mumbai, India
Brrrr... Snow and Ice in San Diego?
Brrrr... Wisconsin Snowfall Record Shattered

"NO!!! HEAT UP!!!" I'LL BE A LAUGHING STOCK!"​

 

[FaT_tONle]

Just don't like pointing individuals out. But people are dumbasses sometimes myself included... but sh:t like this, when it comes to global issues and globally accepted facts in the scientific community based on scientific data and research... this type of sh:t drives me nuts...

 

[Sugarculted]

On the thicker ice.

Antartic? Ice? Tell my sister's boyfriend that. He claimed that that the Antartic was the biggest desert ever...

 

[Captain_BluTac]

Antartic? Ice? Tell my sister's boyfriend that. He claimed that that the Antartic was the biggest desert ever...

not biggest, dryest they measure how dry a dessert is by rainfall and it's something ridiculous like 500 years since there has been rain in some regions of the Antarctic.

 

[Tron5000]

Climate does change, but it has done so since far before humans were here and will continue to do so long after humans are gone. It's mostly affected by external forces such as solar flares. And when it comes to carbon emissions by humans, much more emissions are put into the atmosphere by animals, plantlife and natural occurrences such as volcanic eruptions.

Carbon in the atmosphere has been much higher in historic times that it presently is, and this was before humans were around driving their evil SUVs and flying to awards shows and benefit concerts on their private jets. And when closely analyzed, the data usually do show a correlation between rises in temperatures and rises in carbon levels; however, the relationship is such that the carbon levels rise after average temperature rises, rather than the opposite being true.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

Antartic? Ice? Tell my sister's boyfriend that. He claimed that that the Antartic was the biggest desert ever...

Here educate yourself
http://www.flex.net/~lonestar/coldest.htm

And start watching QI, it's just full of awesome.

 

[Sugarculted]

Here educate yourself
http://www.flex.net/~lonestar/coldest.htm

And start watching QI, it's just full of awesome.

Crikey, I'm tell my sister that he's a keeper. Now, I feel daft.
I am a keen watcher of QI. You just can't get enough of Alan Davies and Stephen Fry

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Unless i hear the news from a credible source,nothing has changed. People will belive anything they hear.

 

[Ice-man]

well there is global waming, and it is affecting us, but if the cooler weather keeps up in the polar reigns and arctic, than thats good, it can either stop the ice caps from melting altogether or if cool enough can freeze over more of the water and make new ice sheets.

yea people don't like cold weather but we need it to re sustain our planet.

 

[Carcharodon]

Climate does change, but it has done so since far before humans were here and will continue to do so long after humans are gone. It's mostly affected by external forces such as solar flares. And when it comes to carbon emissions by humans, much more emissions are put into the atmosphere by animals, plantlife and natural occurrences such as volcanic eruptions.

Actually, that's incorrect. We've surpassed the natural carbon emitters in the last few years.

Nice try, though.

 

[Tron5000]

Actually, that's incorrect. We've surpassed the natural carbon emitters in the last few years.

Nice try, though.

Take 3 minutes. Check this out, if it won't get in the way of your already deeply-held beliefs.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/globalwarming.html

"Now then, looking at Carbon Dioxide, we find that only .117% of atmospheric carbon dioxide is directly attributable to human technology such as automobiles. .117% is a rather small amount. If we were to measure out .117% of a football field, it comes out to 4.212 inches, barely long enough to get off the touchdown line.

"So, if humans ceased all technological activity, we would still see 99.883% of the carbon dioxide remain in the atmosphere, assuming all other factors remain stable (which is, of course, silly.)"

 

[Carcharodon]

Take 3 minutes. Check this out, if it won't get in the way of your already deeply-held beliefs.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/globalwarming.html

"Now then, looking at Carbon Dioxide, we find that only .117% of atmospheric carbon dioxide is directly attributable to human technology such as automobiles. .117% is a rather small amount. If we were to measure out .117% of a football field, it comes out to 4.212 inches, barely long enough to get off the touchdown line.

"So, if humans ceased all technological activity, we would still see 99.883% of the carbon dioxide remain in the atmosphere, assuming all other factors remain stable (which is, of course, silly.)"

My source was wrong.

 

[Tron5000]

Is your source Al Gore?

 

[Carcharodon]

Is your source Al Gore?

Oh, you're funny.

 

[Tron5000]

Oh, you're funny.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week, and remember to tip your waitress.

 

[Carcharodon]

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week, and remember to tip your waitress.

So you think that our CO2 output is doing nothing to harm the environment?

Be very careful with your answer.

 

[Ice-man]

of course were messing up our atmosphere, since the industrial revolution co2 emissions have just about tripled maybe even quadrupled.

eaither way you wanna look at it, weve done a great deal of damage to earth, the only way i see us helping that is by banning most fossil fuels. and making it mandatory for people to own cars that are better for the environment.

 

[Tron5000]

So you think that our CO2 output is doing nothing to harm the environment?

Be very careful with your answer.

I think the amount of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere by humans is so insignificant compared to the total that we are kidding ourselves if we really believe that our actions are causing the planet to warm or causing changes in weather patterns.

I do believe that there are many, many things than man is doing that harm the environment. The idea that our actions have caused the planet to warm and are causing weather patterns to change is not one of them.

I believe that we need to invest heavily in researching, finding and developing alternative, renewable sources of energy.

I also believe that the "global warming" scam is being perpetrated to slow down economic progress, to redistribute funds from wealthy nations to undeveloped ones, and to make certain people and industries very, very rich through selling the idea of "green", through lobbying and litigation, and through the carbon-trading and carbon-offset schemes.

...hope that was "careful" enough for you...

 

[Carcharodon]

I think the amount of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere by humans is so insignificant compared to the total that we are kidding ourselves if we really believe that our actions are causing the planet to warm or causing changes in weather patterns.

I do believe that there are many, many things than man is doing that harm the environment. The idea that our actions have caused the planet to warm and are causing weather patterns to change is not one of them.

I believe that we need to invest heavily in researching, finding and developing alternative, renewable sources of energy.

I also believe that the "global warming" scam is being perpetrated to slow down economic progress, to redistribute funds from wealthy nations to undeveloped ones, and to make certain people and industries very, very rich through selling the idea of "green", through lobbying and litigation, and through the carbon-trading and carbon-offset schemes.

...hope that was "careful" enough for you...

Oh, it was careful. However, I have one major critique of your argument. Are you familiar with the carbon cycle?

 

[Tron5000]

I believe the carbon cycle is a product of, not the cause of, the earth warming.

 

[Carcharodon]

It comes down to this: the planet has a natural system for maintaining stable atmospheric carbon concentrations. It's a means of, "recycling," atmospheric carbon. Hell, there are even means of locking it away in a form that really can't be released naturally (i.e., oil, coal, etc.).

Then comes man, who exploits these natural carbon reservoirs via completely un-natural processes that end up releasing said carbon into the atmosphere.

Now, you don't see how that could upset a naturally maintained balance? How the means of recycling this carbon might be strained to do so? The oceans are a huge carbon sink, and they're working overtime...so much so, in fact, that they're acidifying. Pretty badly, as a matter of fact.

For you to say that our carbon production is insignificant, even in the face of those other sources, is a bit ridiculous. You could say they're small, or miniscule, but insignificant?

Don't think so.

 

[Carcharodon]

I believe the carbon cycle is a product of, not the cause of, the earth warming.

The carbon cycle is independent of warming. It has nothing to do with it, really.

 

[Bubonic]

I think the amount of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere by humans is so insignificant compared to the total that we are kidding ourselves if we really believe that our actions are causing the planet to warm or causing changes in weather patterns.

I do believe that there are many, many things than man is doing that harm the environment. The idea that our actions have caused the planet to warm and are causing weather patterns to change is not one of them.

I believe that we need to invest heavily in researching, finding and developing alternative, renewable sources of energy.

I also believe that the "global warming" scam is being perpetrated to slow down economic progress, to redistribute funds from wealthy nations to undeveloped ones, and to make certain people and industries very, very rich through selling the idea of "green", through lobbying and litigation, and through the carbon-trading and carbon-offset schemes.

...hope that was "careful" enough for you...

Damn those greedy third world people, trying to get in on our action... What a shame!

 

[Tron5000]

I don't see these "sources" of which you speak.