Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[Handsome Rob]

Didn't feel like starting a new thread for it. Besides, I think I've criticized Gore in here, before.

So...if this post isn't about global warming...why exactly is it in this thread, again?

 

[The Shadow]

I don't believe in global warming especially now that recent studies have gathered data that shows Mars has had the same temperature increase as earth has had lately

 

[Mr Sparkle]

hahahahaha, you guys do know that Global Warming itself is not up for debate right? just the extent of man's role in it, and if we were conservative and estimated a 10% impact, well, lets look at what those temperature variables would do to eco sytems.
but of course, no one will reduce their energy usage until Al Gore does which totally makes sense.

 

[Carcharodon]

No I agree. I was trying to say I think, even as an American, it's pompous for us to think we have such an impact on this planet that we alone can destroy it with our greenhouse gases. I mean look at up and coming industrialists like China. That said. I love it here. I love my freedoms. I would never want to live anywhere else. People take what we have in America for granted no doubt. Always *****ing when it's really quite a good place to live. No argument here though. Cheers.

What? Nobody said it's just Americans. It's a global issue. That's why there are international panels.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Carcharodon]

I don't believe in global warming especially now that recent studies have gathered data that shows Mars has had the same temperature increase as earth has had lately

A planet that's quite a bit farther from the sun, yet has an atmosphere that's 95% carbon dioxide.

That doesn't tip anybody off? What is it with people making decisions with half-assed information? It's sort of annoying sometimes.

 

[Carcharodon]

Didn't feel like starting a new thread for it. Besides, I think I've criticized Gore in here, before.

Oh...well, that's cool, I guess. I mean it really is too much effort to press that pesky, "New Thread," button.

In fact, I think I'll follow your lead.

So guys, guess what? I talked to my grandparents today. Then, I went to the store. There was this fat guy in line, and he smelled really bad.

The end!

 

[Carcharodon]

Where I live, I don't see a lot of Global Warming here, it is already past the middle of June and we have only had 1 or 2 days that have hit 17 -20 degrees Celcius.

I think that what people are doing is helping, but I think that Governments need a "cause" to look after, and I think Global Warming with the 90's - 2000's cause.

You can't use a specific instance of weather or conditions to extrapolate global climate conditions. Sorry.

 

[SheldonLevene]

What? Nobody said it's just Americans. It's a global issue. That's why there are international panels.

WTF are you talking about?

Never once did I say it was. You didn't read everything I wrote. I said Americans are generally the ones most concerned with it. And it is annoying especially from people like Gore ,as someone had stated earlier, who is by no means living green as is now in fashion to do.

 

[Carcharodon]

Never once did I say it was. You didn't read everything I wrote. I said Americans are generally the ones most concerned with it.

Okay, and I fail to see the problem with that.

What you said was that Americans seem to think that they're the sole cause, when that's simply not the case. It has nothing to do with the arrogance that's typically associated with Americans.

And it is annoying especially from people like Gore ,as someone had stated earlier, who is by no means living green as is now in fashion to do.

It's also especially annoying that the message gets lost in this petty, "Oh, well HE's not doing anything about it!" nonsense. People are making the mistake on focusing on the messenger and not the message, in this case.

 

[SheldonLevene]

It's also especially annoying that the message gets lost in this petty, "Oh, well HE's not doing anything about it!" nonsense. People are making the mistake on focusing on the messenger and not the message, in this case.

Here's the thing. While this may be ok in other areas of life, it's not here. That's like going to church every Sunday and listening to a preacher who you know cheats on his wife and is a habitual drug user or something. The message may be good, but if he is not putting his own words to practice why should we? I really don't view that as petty. I would have a much easier time accepting his message if he practiced what he is telling Americans to do.

 

[Carcharodon]

Here's the thing. While this may be ok in other areas of life, it's not here. That's like going to church every Sunday and listening to a preacher who you know cheats on his wife and is a habitual drug user or something. The message may be good, but if he is not putting his own words to practice why should we? I really don't view that as petty. I would have a much easier time accepting his message if he practiced what he is telling Americans to do.

Why should we? Really?

Sorry, but that tells me everything I needed to know. The fact that you could overlook the blatant dangers of blowing off excess carbon dioxide into our atmosphere and into our oceans in favor of pointing out some stupid hypocrisy is astounding. Truly amazing.

The worst part is that people act like this is somehow Al Gore's creation, which is ********. This isn't his idea. This is an area of ongoing research that's been conducted over the past couple of decades. Why should his hyprocrisy somehow affect the validity of the science behind the phenomenon? Oh, that's right: it shouldn't.

 

[chaseter]

Why should we? Really?

Sorry, but that tells me everything I needed to know. The fact that you could overlook the blatant dangers of blowing off excess carbon dioxide into our atmosphere and into our oceans in favor of pointing out some stupid hypocrisy is astounding. Truly amazing.

The worst part is that people act like this is somehow Al Gore's creation, which is ********. This isn't his idea. This is an area of ongoing research that's been conducted over the past couple of decades. Why should his hyprocrisy somehow affect the validity of the science behind the phenomenon? Oh, that's right: it shouldn't.

HAHA, I agree with you but I can't stop laughing at the other guy. "Well Global Warming is a fact and man's involvement is rapidly increasing some aspects that cause Global Warming but Al Gore is a hypocrite so we should all burn trash and spray cans of hairspray into the atmosphere to teach him a lesson." "Stupid Americans and their quest to somehow save the environment but those brilliant Chinese are getting the message on how to defeat Al Gore...........................................................This is all America's and Al Gore's fault...........................................

 

[chaseter]

Here's the thing. While this may be ok in other areas of life, it's not here. That's like going to church every Sunday and listening to a preacher who you know cheats on his wife and is a habitual drug user or something. The message may be good, but if he is not putting his own words to practice why should we? I really don't view that as petty. I would have a much easier time accepting his message if he practiced what he is telling Americans to do.

Drinking bleach may be bad...but why should I listen to doctors and scientists

Sorry but that is the most stupid thing I have ever read on here. You acknowledge the question, research, and answer but since an advocate of it isn't perfect to the 'T' you say why should we be concerned. WOW.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Drinking bleach may be bad...but why should I listen to doctors and scientists

Sorry but that is the most stupid thing I have ever read on here. You acknowledge the question, research, and answer but since an advocate of it isn't perfect to the 'T' you say why should we be concerned. WOW.

Ya'll are both missing the ****ing point big time. I never said we shouldn't be concerned. Personally Global Warming doesn't bother me. I spend very little time thinking about it in my day to day. I said Al Gore is a ****ty spokesperson. I don't like him at all. What would be more effective is to get someone who actually believes in the subject AND practices their beliefs by conserving and doing things they ask us to do. And that drinking bleach line is really ****ing stupid and I think you know that. Drinking bleach will adversely effect me on the spot. If I drive a bit more than the average bloke that doesn't do **** to me. Understand the parody there. Now before you say wow just because it doesn't concern you means you won't do it and you are a ****ty person as a result read it again. I'm not saying this is my feeling. This is the feeling of the average person I can almost assure you. The person that is only moderately interested in the enviroment may say man I wish I could do something but then not. Meanwhile any reasonable person would never drink bleach because it will harm them in the present not 100 years in the future when they will already be dead.


My main point here is Global Warming is real sure. But to the average person who is driving their piece of **** car that emitts all kinds of stuff into the air just to get to work so they can support their family it doesn't mean much to them. Ya'll can call me stupid or say the logic is flawed, but that is how working class people feel. Is it bad sure. Can I help that I need all the stuff in my life to survive and take care of my family and myself. No not really.

 

[Carcharodon]

Ya'll are both missing the ****ing point big time. I never said we shouldn't be concerned. Personally Global Warming doesn't bother me. I spend very little time thinking about it in my day to day. I said Al Gore is a ****ty spokesperson. I don't like him at all. What would be more effective is to get someone who actually believes in the subject AND practices their beliefs by conserving and doing things they ask us to do. And that drinking bleach line is really ****ing stupid and I think you know that. Drinking bleach will adversely effect me on the spot. If I drive a bit more than the average bloke that doesn't do **** to me. Understand the parody there. Now before you say wow just because it doesn't concern you means you won't do it and you are a ****ty person as a result read it again. I'm not saying this is my feeling. This is the feeling of the average person I can almost assure you. The person that is only moderately interested in the enviroment may say man I wish I could do something but then not. Meanwhile any reasonable person would never drink bleach because it will harm them in the present not 100 years in the future when they will already be dead.


My main point here is Global Warming is real sure. But to the average person who is driving their piece of **** car that emitts all kinds of stuff into the air just to get to work so they can support their family it doesn't mean much to them. Ya'll can call me stupid or say the logic is flawed, but that is how working class people feel. Is it bad sure. Can I help that I need all the stuff in my life to survive and take care of my family and myself. No not really.

Hey, I never called you stupid. I also understand the necessity of driving...to an extent (public transportation is a wonderful service to take advantage of, and something tells me that most of the people that even you mention could stand to ride their bike to more locations as opposed to using their car). Hell, my car is burning oil, and I hate it.

The fact that climate change doesn't bother you, however, is cause for concern frankly. I know you keep saying, "It's not me! It's the average person!" Still, your attitudes about the whole situation are pretty obvious. I'm not saying you're a bad person. I am saying you're short-sighted. That's all.

 

[chaseter]

My main point here is Global Warming is real sure. But to the average person who is driving their piece of **** car that emitts all kinds of stuff into the air just to get to work so they can support their family it doesn't mean much to them. Ya'll can call me stupid or say the logic is flawed, but that is how working class people feel. Is it bad sure. Can I help that I need all the stuff in my life to survive and take care of my family and myself. No not really.

Have that attitude and it might not affect you right now, but what about in 50 years, what about your children, what about your grandchildren? Do you not care about their future on this planet?

The 'working class' line is a load of bull as it is extremely easy to slightly alter your day to day life to positively impact your country and the world that you live in. Al Gore wasn't targeting the working class Joe, he was educating them so that they can change their government that is allowing all of this. And to me, him using jet fuel to spread that message has a greater impact that him staying at home and riding a bike to the local community college to give a speech. But your original post was flawed as you said you knew Global Warming was happening but since its most widely known advocate wasn't 100% green, why should you be? That was a bit lazy IMO.

 

[Zero_Vault]

How will global warmer deniers explain this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080627/sc_livescience/northpolecouldbeicefreethissummer

Hmm... a truly sad state of affair.

 

[Zoken]

Okay, you've proven temperatures at the poles, and probably around the world are warmer than they have been in human history. and human pollution is high. You know what's also at it's highest in human history. Internet usage. I'm not blaming the recent warming trend on internet usage, I'm just pointing it out. My point is actually that Correllation doesn't not equal causation (Did I just misspell Correllation?). There is no hard evidence that human pollution is driving the warming trend, and yet it's being flaunted about like hard science and demanding political policy be made out of it.

Liberals, listen. You don't like it when we shove our faith-based agendas down your throat, keep yours out of ours.

Is the pollution a cause for concern; YES, YES, YES! But not because of global warming, or cooling, or climage Change or whatever the hell else they've decided to call it.

 

[chaseter]

Well, for the first time in our history, the North Pole is probably going to be ice free this summer.

Robert Roy Britt
LiveScience Managing Editor
LiveScience.com
Thu Jun 26, 10:55 PM ET



Arctic sea ice could break apart completely at the North Pole this year, allowing ships to sail over the normally frozen top of the world.

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The potential landmark thaw - the first time in human history the pole would be ice-free - is a stark sign of global warming, according to an article Friday on the web site of the The Independent, a London newspaper.


"Symbolically it is hugely important," said Mark Serreze of the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado. "There is supposed to be ice at the North Pole, not open water."


Last year, the fabled Northwest Passage opened as Arctic ice retreated more than ever before.


There is no land at the North Pole, but as long as anyone has looked, it has remained a giant block of ice year-round. Scientists have been watching Arctic sea ice melt more and more each year. But each summer in recent years, the amount of ice has gotten thinner and thinner. Each winter's freeze, therefore, results in a thinner pack that, this summer, could melt altogether.


"The issue is that, for the first time that I am aware of, the North Pole is covered with extensive first-year ice," Serreze is quoted by The Independent. "I'd say it's even-odds whether the North Pole melts out."


Russia and other countries, meanwhile, have been arguing over who has rights to the region's resources, including potential oil reserves.


Several studies in recent years have predicted that the North Pole could be ice-free within a few decades. Alarm has ratcheted up every summer as the ice gets thinner and thinner. In a study released June 10, scientist said the rapid meltoff in the Arctic could threaten permafrost in continental soil elsewhere above the Arctic circle in a warm version of the snowball effect.


Last summer saw a record melt of Arctic sea ice, which shrank to more than 30 percent below its average. Around the peak of the melt, in September, air temperatures over land in the western Arctic from August to October were more than 4 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) above the 1978-2006 average.


"The rapid loss of sea ice can trigger widespread changes that would be felt across the region," said Andrew Slater, also of the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

 

[Zero_Vault]

So will the South Pole in a couple of years.

Bwahahahhaahaa! Santa's a dead man.

 

[Captain Planet!]

So will the South Pole in a couple of years.

Bwahahahhaahaa! Santa's a dead man.

The exact thing I was going to say here was "Santa is in some deep ****".

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Okay, you've proven temperatures at the poles, and probably around the world are warmer than they have been in human history. and human pollution is high. You know what's also at it's highest in human history. Internet usage. I'm not blaming the recent warming trend on internet usage, I'm just pointing it out. My point is actually that Correllation doesn't not equal causation (Did I just misspell Correllation?). There is no hard evidence that human pollution is driving the warming trend, and yet it's being flaunted about like hard science and demanding political policy be made out of it.

Liberals, listen. You don't like it when we shove our faith-based agendas down your throat, keep yours out of ours.

Is the pollution a cause for concern; YES, YES, YES! But not because of global warming, or cooling, or climage Change or whatever the hell else they've decided to call it.

actually.
there's no denying that pollution is indeed involved in the warming trend, the only thing up for debate is the percentage.
so pollution IS a cause of concern and it is because of Global warming.
also, I didn't know that only "liberals" were concerned about the environment.
good to know that the lines are so defined.

 

[chaseter]

actually.
there's no denying that pollution is indeed involved in the warming trend, the only thing up for debate is the percentage.
so pollution IS a cause of concern and it is because of Global warming.
also, I didn't know that only "liberals" were concerned about the environment.
good to know that the lines are so defined.

OMFG we agree on something

 

[Zoken]

actually.
there's no denying that pollution is indeed involved in the warming trend, the only thing up for debate is the percentage.
so pollution IS a cause of concern and it is because of Global warming.
also, I didn't know that only "liberals" were concerned about the environment.
good to know that the lines are so defined.

Wow, way to pick and choose which parts you wanted to listen to, and just completely make crap up. Causation has never been confirmed on any level. I agreed that pollution needed to be dealt with, so that little snipe about "liberals" is BS. Liberals are the ones forcing the idea that pollution is behind global warming without hard science to back it up.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Wow, way to pick and choose which parts you wanted to listen to, and just completely make crap up. Causation has never been confirmed on any level. I agreed that pollution needed to be dealt with, so that little snipe about "liberals" is BS. Liberals are the ones forcing the idea that pollution is behind global warming without hard science to back it up.

actually no.
scientists are the ones "forcing the idea" that pollution is related to global warming ( as no one has said it is simply because of pollution that the warming trend exists) so that "little snipe about liberals" was brought on by your own comments.
also, it is you who is "making up crap" since the role of pollution in global warming is pretty much confirmed (that's kind of hard science) but I've noticed that most people just want to keep on living with no responsibility and thus cling to this "no hard science" argument for dear life.
meh.
it's your life and if choose to live in ignorance it's, in the end, your choice.