Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[SuBe]

Basically, the White House is saying, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

 

[Paradyme]

UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CAM0VG0&show_article=1

Penn State Will Investigate 'Climategate'

Among other things, the Watergate scandal of the 1970s gave us a great naming convention for future scandals. Take "Climategate" at Penn State. That's what people are calling the controversy surrounding leaked E-mails among climate change researchers that climate change opponents say expose the researchers' falsification of data. One Penn State professor is involved in the scandal.

The Penn State administration plans to investigate Climategate and determine if it needs to take further action, the Daily Collegian reports. A little more than a week ago, E-mails exchanged among an English university's climate change researchers were illegally obtained from a server and posted online, the report says.

Climate change opponents say the E-mails indicate that climate change researchers—including Penn State Prof. Michael Mann—exaggerated or fabricated global warming data. And, according to the report, some E-mails indicate that the director of the research unit in question may have contacted researchers and asked them to "delete certain E-mails."

Penn State officials, who will not discuss the matter, are investigating the controversy. If anything requires further inspection, the school will handle it, a spokesman tells the Daily Collegian. A panel will read every E-mail leaked and determine if climate change critics have any ground for their accusations, the report says.

"I would be disappointed if the university wasn't doing all [it] can to get as much information as possible" about the controversy, Mann tells the Daily Collegian.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2009/11/30/penn-state-will-investigate-climategate.html

Hm.

 

[Paradyme]

Australia's Parliament defeats global warming bill

I can't link to this article but you can find it on the AP.

and...

Inhofe Asks Boxer to Investigate Possible Scientific ‘Conspiracy’ in ‘Climategate’

(CNSNews.com) – Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), ranking member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, is calling on Chairman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) to conduct hearings on a possible conspiracy between some of the world’s most prominent climatologists to, among other things, manipulate data on so-called global warming.

Inhofe said the recent disclosure of emails between several prominent climatologists reveal “possible deceitful manipulation of important data and research used by the US Global Change Research Program” and the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

He suggested “a possible conspiracy by scientists, some of whom receive or have received US taxpayer funds, to stifle open, transparent debate on the most pressing issues of climate science.”

Inhofe also noted that there appeared to be “a campaign to vilify scientists who question global warming alarmism.”

“For instance,” Inhofe wrote, “one scientist wrote of a ‘trick he employed to ‘hide the decline’ in global temperature trends, as well as discussed attempts to ‘redefine what the peer-review literature is’ to prevent papers raising questions about anthropogenic global warming from appearing in IPCC reports.

“Another scientist stated, ‘The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming and it is a travesty that we can’t.’ Still another wrote, “I tried hard to balance the needs of the science and the IPCC, which were not always the same,’” Inhofe added.

The controversy “could have far-reaching policy implications,” Inhofe wrote,” affecting everything from (to name a few) cap-and-trade legislation, state and regional climate change programs,” and the Section 202 (a) of the EPA’s Clean Air Act – policies that “will lead to a torrent of new federal regulations that will destroy thousands of jobs and make electricity and gasoline more expensive for consumers and small businesses.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/57879

 

[Paradyme]

CLIMATE CHANGE 'FRAUD'

THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.


Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.

He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over ­billions of years.

Prof Plimer - author of Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, The Missing Science - told a London audience: “Climates always change. They always have and they always will. They are driven by a number of factors that are random and cyclical.”
His comments came days after a scandal in climate-change research emerged through the leak of emails from the world-leading research unit at the University of East Anglia. They appeared to show that scientists had been massaging data to prove that global warming was taking place.

The Climate Research Unit also admitted getting rid of much of its raw climate data, which means other scientists cannot check the subsequent research. Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Phil Jones, said he would stand down while an independent review took place.

Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation. He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now.

“In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.”

He cited periods of warming during the Roman Empire and in the Middle Ages – when Vikings grew crops on Greenland – and cooler phases such as the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age from 1300 to 1850.

And he predicted that the next phase would cool the planet.

Climate change is widely blamed on the burning of fossil fuels which release greenhouse gases such as CO2 into the atmosphere, where they trap the sun’s heat.

The talks at Copenhagen are expected to find ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally.

But Professor Plimer, of Adelaide and Melbourne Universities, said that to stop climate change Governments should find ways to prevent changes to the Earth’s orbit and ocean currents and avoid explosions of supernovae in space. Of the saga of the leaked emails, he said: “If you have to argue your science by using fraud, your science is not valid.”

The CRU’s Professor Jones has admitted some of the emails may have had “poorly chosen words” and were sent in the “heat of the moment”. But he has categorically denied manipulating data and said he stood by the science. And yesterday he dismissed suggestions of a conspiracy to alter ­evidence to support a theory of man-made global warming as “complete rubbish”.

But mining geology professor Plimer said there was a huge momentum behind the climate-change lobby.


He suggested many scientists had a vested interest in promoting climate change because it helped secure more funding for research. He said: “The climate comrades are trying to keep the gravy train going. Governments are also keen on putting their hands as deep as possible into our pockets.

“The average person has been talked down to. He has been treated like a fool. Yet the average person has common sense.”

But Vicky Pope, head of Met Office Climate Change Advice, said: “We are seeing changes in climate on a timescale we have not seen before.

“There clearly are natural variations. But the only way we can explain these trends is when we include both man-made and natural changes to the climate.

“We have also seen declines in summer sea ice over the past 30 years, glaciers retreating for 150 years, changing rainfall patterns and increases in subsurface and surface ocean temperatures.”

And as the war of words between the rival camps intensified, leading economist Lord Stern dismissed the sceptics as “muddled”.

Lord Stern, who produced a detailed report on the issue for the Government, said evidence of ­climate change was “overwhelming”. He accepted that all views should be heard but said the degree of ­scepticism among “real scientists” was very small.


http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573

This is really starting to pick up steam.

 

[Heretic]

The US media still seems to not view this as a story...because the conspiracy to defraud the public out of trillions of dollars, which resulted in millions of deaths already, and the planned tax scheme that would control the lives of every person on earth is not nearly as big of a story as a golf players fender bender that resulted in no tickets, and a couple going to a party which resulted in no arrests and no incident.

 

[Paradyme]

The US media still seems to not view this as a story...because the conspiracy to defraud the public out of trillions of dollars, which resulted in millions of deaths already, and the planned tax scheme that would control the lives of every person on earth is not nearly as big of a story as a golf players fender bender that resulted in no tickets, and a couple going to a party which resulted in no arrests and no incident.

I'd be interested to know how many people really care about the Tiger incident.

Well, here's another little diddy...

Obama science officials defend warming research
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CBCN6G0&show_article=1

 

[Paradyme]

Boxer: Hackers should face criminal probe over 'Climategate'

Leaked e-mails allegedly undermining climate change science should be treated as a criminal matter, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said Wednesday afternoon.

Boxer, the top Democrat on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said that the recently released e-mails, showing scientists allegedly overstating the case for climate change, should be treated as a crime.

"You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

The e-mails, from scientists at the University of East Anglia, were obtained through hacking. The messages showed the director of the university's Climate Research Unit discussing ways to strengthen the unit's case for global warming. Climate change skeptics have seized on the e-mails, arguing that they demonstrate manipulation in environmental science.

Boxer said her committee may hold hearings into the matter as its top Republican, Sen. James Inhofe (Okla.), has asked for, but that a criminal probe would be part of any such hearings.

"We may well have a hearing on this, we may not. We may have a briefing for senators, we may not," Boxer said. "Part of our looking at this will be looking at a criminal activity which could have well been coordinated.

"This is a crime," Boxer said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ed-climategate-emails-may-face-criminal-probe

I keep forgetting to reverse whatever I think is the problem. *sigh*

 

[Heretic]

I think the public is smart enough to realize what is going on here...

Our elected leaders see proof that untold millions of dollars have been spent on a fraud, and all they care about is getting revenge on who leaked the news.

The only possible answer to this is that many of our top elected officials were in on the scam. How else could you look at evidence of the biggest scam in human history and disregard it because it was supposed to be a secret?

 

[BlackLantern]

if whoever did it unlawfully hacked into a protected system, then they should be prosecuted, regardless of what that information is

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This article says if Greenland were to melt due to global warming the Earth could be in an ice age within months. Does this scare anyone else?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242705/?GT1=43001

 

[BillyZaned]

I like snowboarding... could be fun

 

[SuBe]

Global Warming isn't real.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I like snowboarding... could be fun

You aren't the least bit worried?

An ice age would probably doom most of the human race.

You know the movie "The Road". It will be like that with more snow.

 

[JAK®]

Humans survived the last Ice Age. People today live in places with lots of snow. We will handle it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Global Warming isn't real.

Wouldn't have been proven a fluke a long time ago if it had no scientific merit?

 

[BillyZaned]

You aren't the least bit worried?

An ice age would probably doom most of the human race.

You know the movie "The Road". It will be like that with more snow.

Screw the world.... it's all about what's best for this country... I want my 88 cent gas, and my SUV that gets 2 mile per gallon..

Global Warming AIN"T REAL.... the world will end when god says so... then later, maybe America.... but we all know god loves America, and no one else..

also

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[CELTICPRED]

Where's Dennis Quaid when you need him?

 

[Heretic]

if whoever did it unlawfully hacked into a protected system, then they should be prosecuted, regardless of what that information is

And at the moment there is ZERO proof that the info was hacked. The evidence is leaning towards an internal leak.

So...a possible computer privacy crime is taking the attention away from the biggest scam in history which resulted in millions of deaths? Gotcha.

 

[BillyZaned]

Where's Dennis Quaid when you need him?

Dennis Quad is a dirty hollwood liberal... tell him to get out of america!

 

[SuBe]

Wouldn't have been proven a fluke a long time ago if it had no scientific merit?

Google Climategate. Or, watch the news.

 

[Heretic]

Wouldn't have been proven a fluke a long time ago if it had no scientific merit?

Not when the top scientists in charge are faking all of the research data and then not allowing any outside peer review of their data streams. For something like that to be discovered you would need a computer hacking or insider leak...a "ClimateGate" if you will.

 

[BillyZaned]

I'm really starting to think Sube is Ken Ham?

 

[BillyZaned]

Not when the top scientists in charge are faking all of the research data and then not allowing any outside peer review of their data streams. For something like that to be discovered you would need a computer hacking or insider leak...a "ClimateGate" if you will.

lol... yes, it's all a ploy to further Al Gores movie career and to make GM produce more fuel efficent cars...

obviously done by the sociolists of America....

can't wait till they dook our jobs!!!

derk a der...

Global Warming is most likely real... there is no way producing the amount of toxic chemicals, and releasing them into our atmopsphere is having no effect on it.... ****, scientists can actually manipulate weather with electricity... so to say that this isn't effecting our planet is just dumb....

I'm all for conspiracy theories.... Roswell, 9/11, Haarp causing that huge tsnami.... the only thing I thnk the government is not telling us about Global Warming, is it's much worse then what we have been told....

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

How does climategate disprove global warming?

So scientists at a single establishment "conspired" regarding climate change. They did nothing worse than most right-wing think tanks do everyday. Seems like an isolated incedent to me.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

As long as you stay in a libary, preferably one in NYC you'll be fine.