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Cheney should be making these comments from a prison cell, because he is a war criminal as far as Im concerned. Him and his cronies caused the deaths of who knows how many iraqis and americans for ****ing oil.
 
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Hmmmm.... Common Core hasn't proven itself yet to me.....I've been watching and researching it and thus far the Math leaves a lot to be desired.

Doesn't really impact me since Social Studies is not yet a part of Common Core, but not sure that it is all it says it is....

We could simply work from the National Standards that were already in place and be just fine. It is THE TESTS, not the standards that should be revamped. So, whether a state does or does not go with Common Core is pretty much a non-starter at the moment.
 
Well the funny thing is he was all gung ho for it until the tea party told him they are against it. I know they aren't perfect and I agree the test needs to be what is focused on but I doubt Jindal has the wherewithal to come up with something worthwhile for students that doesn't include creationism and climate change denial
 
Cheney's comments are some of the biggest pot calling the kettle black I've ever seen.

Yes, there are legitimate criticisms to be made about Obama, but Dick Cheney of all people is not in a position to be throwing stones.

I honestly have no clue why people are going to people like Dick Cheney and others who were so wrong about Iraq and asking them what they think. It's almost comical
 
Well the funny thing is he was all gung ho for it until the tea party told him they are against it. I know they aren't perfect and I agree the test needs to be what is focused on but I doubt Jindal has the wherewithal to come up with something worthwhile for students that doesn't include creationism and climate change denial

From what I'm hearing in the educational circles those states that are opting out of Common Core are more in the direction of state's rights, than anything religious...and as far as the Tea Party, that is what I've heard from them as well, they believe that the Department of Education should be abolished, I for one can agree with them on that...
 
The second you abolish that is the day many states would try and adopt creationism being taught in science classes as fact and I for one could not deal with that in this country. The UK just abolished all creationism in non-private schools and I believe we should follow suit
 
I think you guys put far more importance on that than most states do....and I don't mean that you think it is too important, its just that it is a part of every state's curriculum. I am speaking of the Theory of Evolution....even the State of Texas, State's ALREADY have the ability to do that, no state is required to take on the standards that Washington puts out....again, the problem is not each state's standards, I work with several southern states that have a little different standards than Texas, but they are all based off of the National Standards....it is the fact that the tests are not written to many of these standards and that is where you have teacher's "teaching to the test" rather than teaching the standards, which for the most part are pretty damn good. OR you do what Texas has done, change the Math Standards in 2011, teachers begin writing curriculum to those standards (which were fine btw), and then because the students are not preforming like the government thinks they should, they change the standards. These little side bar debates of evolution vs. creationism..... how did creationism impact our founding fathers and the Constitution, etc....are just not the problems that people think they are in the classroom. They are problems on boards like these, and the minds of this political party or that political party.

We had a curriculum that was being bought by close to 85% of of the districts in Texas. It was a HORRIBLE curriculum, not because it called terrorists, freedom fighters....but because it scripted what teachers are to do in the classroom, and teachers hated it. And, the rigor was far below what is needed in the classroom. BUT, people were in an uproar here in Texas because they called terrorists freedom fighters in the World Geography classrooms.....well.......................World Geography and AP Human Geography ARE STUDIES IN DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS....so you teach terrorism under the quote "One Man's Terrorist is another Man's Hero"....and go from there. So that HONESTLY, was not the problem with the curriculum. Thank goodness it was shut down here in Texas, I believe we are the better for it. You want a teacher to KNOW their subject, be PASSIONATE about their subject, you let them write the curriculum based on the standards. There is no need for a governmental body, or a specific group to tell that teacher what or how to teach. We do that pretty well on our own. So really, people, political groups, unions and government officials, etc...need to get the hell out of my classroom and let me teach. IF I stop doing a good job, then people, political groups, unions, and government officials need to get the hell out of the Superintendents office and let them FIRE THE BAD TEACHERS.

So in the end, the side bar arguments pretty much hide and get in the way of the real problems.
 
Well I can't say I have experience in teaching like yourself Kelly and I also haven't been in school for over a decade so I will differ to your expert opinion since it makes sense to me.
 
Well I can't say I have experience in teaching like yourself Kelly and I also haven't been in school for over a decade so I will differ to your expert opinion since it makes sense to me.

I don't want you to think that the things you care about are not important....they are. It's just that on the day to day life of teachers and students in the classroom, they just aren't a problem, they are simply the things that catch people's attention.

To give you an example OF some of the things that a teacher might have as a problem.

In the 6th grade TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) the things I have to teach, one of the TEKS is about the oppression of certain groups around the world, and the group that they use as an example are Christians in Sudan. A very good example, and you can pretty much add women to that in most 3rd world, less developed countries. So, I wrote the curriculum with those things in mind and I talked about the Genocide in Sudan. WELL, in the ppt that we use, it talks about the rape of women. That is one of the tenants of what constitutes Genocide as the UN defines the word. Well we got a call from a school board member asking us about that part of the curriculum. My answer was, if you don't want me teaching it, then you need to take it out of the TEKS....but TEA, put that in the TEKS so I teach it. The school board member went back to the parent explained to them, showed them the TEK and the UN definition of genocide and the parent simply ended it saying, I think that is too much for an 11 year old to comprehend, but he (her student) seems to be fine with it so OK. OR WHEN my teachers in my department found out that TEA had taken Jefferson OUT of the TEK about the writing of the Declaration of Independence (yes stupid, but what can ya do), and only had him in as a President. My teachers were in an UPROAR....I just stared at them....as they yelled "what are we going to do, that is stupid" and I said, you are going to teach like you have always taught and when you get to the Declaration of Independence you will talk about Jefferson....duh.

I think we just get way to worked up over silly things. IF YOU HIRE GOOD TEACHERS, IF YOU CAN KEEP GOOD TEACHERS, IF YOU CAN GET RID OF BAD TEACHERS, YOUR STUDENTS WILL LEARN. That is the bottom line. My friends that are Christians (strong Christians) that teach Science are more than capable of teaching the TEKS as they are written, as they learned the curriculum in college. They don't have to throw one out in order to teach the other.

In my curriculum religion is a HUGE PART of the curriculum. I'm a Christian, I know what I can say and what I cannot say. I am to teach the history of the main religions of the world, and how they have impacted culture. It is not my job to be an apostle, I am a teacher. Your good teachers understand this...I had a teacher at the other Junior High that just started teaching 6th grade Contemporary World Cultures and she was worried about having to teach religions because she strongly disagreed with some of them. I said, teach the curriculum that I wrote and you will have no problems. She did, and came back saying that she actually learned a lot about other religions and was very happy with hoe the unit turned out.

Allow the teachers and those teachers mentors to teach...allow us to sift through those teachers that are good and can become master teachers and those that should not be in the classroom. Allow us to do that, not a bureaucrat with a secular agenda or a religious agenda to do it for us....and I bet it will turn out pretty damn good in the end. :)
 
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Very well said Kelly and again that is why I differ to your expert opinion on such matters. I know the hot button issues get people all hot and bothered but as you said and as with most things in life the cream will rise to the top. I know almost all teachers get into the job because of a genuine love and passion for cultivating future generations. Everyone knows it is not for the money (which I think you guys should get more of BTW). I just get worried when things like the state of Missouri making teachers "alert" parents when they are going to teach evolution. That to me is insane. But again I'm sure there are tons of qualified and knowledgeable teachers like yourself that know how to handle things like that and make sure students learn what they need
 
You can count illegal immigrants in the census, I see no problem with that....but I do have a problem with those numbers being used to apportion representation. But, I do not think the census should be canceled, simply a better analysis of the demographics...
 
Well, the census can't be canceled. Article I of the Constitution says one must be taken every 10 years. And the 14th Amendment says that apportionment must be done according to the count of persons. No mention of citizenship. So illegals have to be counted.

But, Article I does give Congress the power to carry out the census how it sees fit. So if they wanted to put status on the survey, they could. But the argument against would be it would disenfranchise illegals who would be scared to admit it, thereby violating the 14th Amendment.
 
Well, the census can't be canceled. Article I of the Constitution says one must be taken every 10 years. And the 14th Amendment says that apportionment must be done according to the count of persons. No mention of citizenship. So illegals have to be counted.

But, Article I does give Congress the power to carry out the census how it sees fit. So if they wanted to put status on the survey, they could. But the argument against would be it would disenfranchise illegals who would be scared to admit it, thereby violating the 14th Amendment.

Well, time for an amendment....

So, according to the 14th amendment we will count someone who is not a citizen, but we won't count a Native American not taxed?

Hmmmmm....
 
Good luck with that.

I'm of two minds about it, myself.
 
Yeah another stop for the GOP clown show and all our favorites are coming

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews....reedom-event-religious-freedom-in-peril.html/

Faith & Freedom Coalition today released the final schedule for the Road to Majority Policy Conference and Strategy Briefing, to be held June 19-21 at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, DC.

Road to Majority is the annual gathering of one of the leading and grassroots public policy organizations in the country. FFC now boasts over 925,000 members and supporters in all 50 states. An estimated 1,500 to 2,000 activists will participate during the course of the weekend.

Notable speakers include Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Sen. Marco Rubio, Sen. Ted Cruz, Sen. Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, Sen. Ron Johnson, Rep. Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Ambassador John Bolton, Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Texas Lt.

Gubernatorial candidate Dan Patrick, and many others.
Honestly do they have one of these shindigs every month?

I am going to guess the most pressing issues talked about at the Faith gathering as well. I think we will hear endlessly about Benghazi, Obamacare, the IRS and Guns because those are the key issues to the social conservatives.
 
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But just think about it SV, if they didn't have so many of these things you wouldn't have the chance to post it here and call them silly little names. :) Whatever would you do?
 
I will give the Republicans credit for one thing though, as much as the world changes they refuse to and they stick to their guns no matter how stupid and dated it is. It's almost honorable how, instead of adapting to fit the current political climate in America they simply refuse to do so and dig their heels in deeper. Cantor wants to help immagration? Vote him out of office! I find it laughable since there are many individuals whose ideals more closely align with the GOP yet they simply can't bring themselves to vote for them since they are so backwards on a list of other things. I also think these basically monthly shindigs they throw to toot their own horn are hilarious as well. They try to make a big dog and pony show to make it seem like the majority is on the same page when in reality they are just caving to pressure from the extremist in their group and turning off minority and young people.

Keep up the good work guys!
 
I will give the Republicans credit for one thing though, as much as the world changes they refuse to and they stick to their guns no matter how stupid and dated it is. It's almost honorable how, instead of adapting to fit the current political climate in America they simply refuse to do so and dig their heels in deeper. Cantor wants to help immagration? Vote him out of office! I find it laughable since there are many individuals whose ideals more closely align with the GOP yet they simply can't bring themselves to vote for them since they are so backwards on a list of other things. I also think these basically monthly shindigs they throw to toot their own horn are hilarious as well. They try to make a big dog and pony show to make it seem like the majority is on the same page when in reality they are just caving to pressure from the extremist in their group and turning off minority and young people.

Keep up the good work guys!


The Republican Party could make major inroads among Latino, Asian and gay male voters if they didn't need to pander so much to their more extreme elements.
 
The Republican Party could make major inroads among Latino, Asian and gay male voters if they didn't need to pander so much to their more extreme elements.

There's a little contradiction there, as many Latinos are Catholic and socially conservative (as in, against gay marriage).

But yes, the GOP could appeal to Latinos with their social conservatism and religiosity if they backed off the immigration issue, or appeal to gays by backing off the social conservatism.

I'm not sure how well both work at the same time though.
 
There's a little contradiction there, as many Latinos are Catholic and socially conservative (as in, against gay marriage).

But yes, the GOP could appeal to Latinos with their social conservatism and religiosity if they backed off the immigration issue, or appeal to gays by backing off the social conservatism.

I'm not sure how well both work at the same time though.


Just because people belong to a religious organization that is often homophobic, doesn't mean the people in that religion will vote along those lines. Otherwise, Latinos would be voting Republican already and we wouldn't be having this conversation. In fact, if that was the case most Catholics would vote Republican, which clearly isn't happening.

The three groups I mentioned have more in common than they would at first glance: they believe in strong, grassroots communities, building up neighbourhoods via local development and small businesses, they're generally pro-diversity and pro-immigration (immigration is kind of a non-issue with gays I guess, but you also don't see a lot of us patrolling the Mexican border with rifles).
 
Yea, true. Gays might have all kinds of opinions about immigration, but generally we have...more pressing issues to vote on.
 
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